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Re: We removed radikal 154 from xs4all :(
by James A. Donald 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 05:32 PM 9/23/96 -0700, Timothy C. May wrote: > That xs4all eventually capitulated has to be seen as a win for Germany. That the net community did not capitulate has to be seen as a loss for Germany. > They will probably now turn their sights on other sites (no pun intended), > hoping to pick off each one in turn. If they do, it will make The church of scientology look like a minor squabble. Every time one site capitulates, it will inspire two dozen others to join the fray. I joined the fight *because* xs4all had to capitulate. --------------------------------------------------------------------- | We have the right to defend ourselves | http://www.jim.com/jamesd/ and our property, because of the kind | of animals that we are. True law | James A. Donald derives from this right, not from the | arbitrary power of the state. | jamesd(a)echeque.com

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Re: Anonymous Mail at US Post
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 12:45 AM 9/25/96, Greg Kucharo wrote: >I don't know if anyone else has seen this, but I was mailing letters >in the "out front" boxes the other day when I noticed a sign. The sign >said that all packages 16 ounces or over had to be taken inside for >disposal into the mail slot. The obvious explanation being that even >though you can abstain from marking a return address, the postal >inspectors would like a nice photo of you with your mail. Yes, this was the chief topic of discussion here a few weeks ago. :-} One of the serious downsides of someone filtering out messages is that all 1400 of us then see the same topics presented again. (This is more serious when people are forwarding long articles or press releases, with sometimes half a dozen copies being received on the list.) --Tim May We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, I know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^1,257,787-1 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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re: Rutgers DIMACS Dist. Trust Workshop
by Mike McNally 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Has anyone who's registered for next week's conference at Rutgers gotten any sort of confirmation? I've been trying for days to do so, and though I've sent mail and called I haven't managed to get hold of anyone who can tell me anything. (And now they seem to not answer the phone at all; I think they got a bigger response than they expected.) -- ______c_________________________________________________________________ Mike M Nally * IBM % Tivoli * Austin TX * How quickly we forget that mailto:m5@tivoli.com mailto:m101@io.com * "deer processing" and "data http://www.io.com/~m101/ * processing" are different!

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Euro-Commission to tackle porn on Internet
by Vipul Ved Prakash 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

*** Euro-Commission to tackle porn on Internet The European Commission, faced with calls to clamp down on Internet pornography following a Belgian pedophilia scandal, will take a first step in October toward seeing how it can be done. On Oct. 9, Culture Commissioner Marcelino Oreja plans to unveil a paper outlining how to identify authors of Internet pornography and how to interrupt that pornography. Oreja said options raised in the paper include encrypting access so that only those who pay could see the material or including a V-chip to screen against pornographic content. For the full text story, see http://www.merc.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=178562-80c - Vipul -- Vipul Ved Prakash | - Electronic Security & Crypto vipul(a)pobox.com | - Internet & Intranets 91 11 2247802 | - Web Development & PERL 198 Madhuban IP Extension | - Linux & Open Systems Delhi, INDIA 110 092 | - (Networked) Multimedia

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Re: Hallam-Baker demands more repudiations or he'll write!
by Rich Burroughs 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 08:33 PM 9/23/96 -0700, tcmay(a)got.net (Timothy C. May) wrote: >At 2:10 AM 9/24/96, hallam(a)vesuvius.ai.mit.edu wrote: > >>like Markof are somewhat more responsible. This is not going to stop me >>from producing an op-ed piece linkiing the net libertarians to assasination >>politics unless I hear a few more repudiations of Bell's ideas. If you >>don't very clearly reject his murderous ideas you are going to regret it >>just as the left regreted having the USSR or the RAF associated with them. > >I for one don't respond well to extortion threats, so write your damned article. Anyone who mistakes the lack of "repudiations" for AP on the list for some kind of tacit approval is not getting the whole picture, IMHO. Is this how journalists do their research nowadays -- "give me some info or I'll write something really bad about you that you'll regret?" Cool. I guess I thought there might still be some kind of pursuit of the truth involved. I personally don't have the time or energy to contribute to the AP threads. That != approval for the idea. I hope you include your above quote in your piece. Rich ______________________________________________________________________ Rich Burroughs richieb(a)teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~richieb See my Blue Ribbon Page at http://www.teleport.com/~richieb/blueribbon U.S. State Censorship Page at - http://www.teleport.com/~richieb/state New EF zine "cause for alarm" - http://www.teleport.com/~richieb/cause

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Re: Hallam-Baker demands more repudiations or he'll write!
by Jean-Francois Avon 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On 25 Sep 96 at 5:59, Brian Davis wrote: > I disagree that that will be the response, but you should be willing > to allow one group of people to fight fire with fire. But generally, it has been found a much better solution to fight fire with water, and this is why I am not convinced of the ideological effectiveness of AP, although I don't doubt it's operationnal effectiveness at all. I will take that sentence only slightly out-of-(specific)-context and make a still pertinent remark about it: This is *exactly* what Jim Bell, because of his opinions, envision to do with the AP system. I find that absolutely hilarious! jfa Please reply by e-mail since I am not on Cypherpunks anymore.

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Re: SAY WHAT? [Assassination NOISE]
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 12:30 AM 9/25/96 -0700, Bill Stewart wrote: >Bell, like X, is proposing mechanism without built-in policy, >as well as suggesting some potential policy implementations. If you use >the mechanism to sponsor assassination of people who have initiated force >against you, you're only using retaliatory force, not initiating it. Funny that Simon didn't see that... >On the other hand, the mechanism also can be used against people who >haven't initiated force against the sponsor - even against politicians >who have refused to get the country into misguided but popular wars >or judges who have refused to convict innocent but wrong-colored defendants. That's a too-superficial interpretation. If AP were operating, it would be unnecessary to "get the country into misguided but popular wars" because anybody who wanted to war with some external enemy need merely kill him via AP, by individual donation. There would be no legislature to make the war decision, and no need for any such decision. War as we have known it (a collective decision that is binding on all citizens, whether or not they approve) would simply not exist. There would be no mechanism to force other people into a war on your side, other than rhetorical arguments. Attempting to do so by force would merely make more enemies. As for "judges who have refused to convict innocent but wrong-colored defendants"? I think that's an unfair and misleading "problem." Much of the problem of bias and discrimination in this country is caused by the fact that these factors have been institutionalized BY GOVERNMENT. Trace it back just a little, and you'll discover that the "innocent but wrong-colored defendants" were arrested and charged BY GOVERNMENT in a display of bias. At best, that courageous judge is merely ceasing, in one particular incident and too late, an episode of bias which shouldn't even have been started in the first place. Is this "good"? Not really. It's just "not quite as bad." There's still the underlying problem which will repeat ad infinitum. Why depend on a judge to do this? Why not fix the bias before the defendant gets to court? I look at it this way: Why shouldn't the black community (and any outraged whites, as well...) have been able to purchase the deaths of all of the LAPD officers who beat Rodney King, INCLUDING the ones who stood around and watched it happen? I claim that in a society where they could do this, such a beating simply would never have happened, because no cop would have dared to take the risk that a camera would be nearby. In other words, the problem would have been solved before it started. The quickest response to this is that "pretty soon, you won't have any more cops." But no, that's not true. It _is_ true that the thugs will no longer want to become/stay as cops, so that'll be a loss for the good. More likely, cops will simply stop doing those things that will end up offending a substantial fraction of the population, like beating a carload illegal immigrants that they have stopped after a car chase. >Like democracy, it's a really terrible system, and like democracy, >there are some alternatives that aren't worse :-) Maybe even democracy. >It's at least as appalling an idea as government. > >If it does catch on, and I suspect that the technology will certainly >make it possible, I hope that most of the public will have enough sense >and decency not to pay for murdering people who don't deserve it, >so assassins will find more of a market for killing people who do, >and that the lower-paid assassins who kill undeserving people will >be less competent and get caught like most stupid bank robbers do. > >But there are enough Drug-War-Loving Americans that I doubt it. The de-facto drug war won't end instantly after the adoption of AP, but it will be pretty quick. Instead of today, when every citizen is forced through taxation to support the Drug War, this will probably drop to 25% voluntary contributions or less post AP. It's pretty hard to get enthused about a victimless crime, and likewise it's hard to enforce such rules, so people's donations won't match the pre-AP funding. Classic drug-warriors won't dare spread any of their propaganda; people's memories will still be fresh on the pre-AP abuses, so the Bennetts and the Rangels will either be silent or dead, or effusive with apology for their prior behavior. Further, the dramatic drop in the prices of currently-illegal drugs will translate into a similarly large drop in crimes to pay for those drugs, an improvement that everybody will notice. >And attila replied >> all very true. but I will defend Jim Bell's rights to propose >> them, even if Bell is more than a few cards short of a full deck. > >Sure, he's got the right to, and if I run a remailer again he's welcome >to use it to discuss AP (though not to propose assassinations....) >Doesn't mean I want to encourage this sort of thing, though. >Remailers can damn well afford to be choosy, and I'll bet >5 zorkmids that the first person to use my remailer for assassination >doesn't last a month. (Oh, wait...) "Your bet has been duly recorded, sir." <beep!> Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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Re: Where to write crypto?
by azur＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>On Tue, 24 Sep 1996, Steve Schear wrote: > >> I believe Taiwan might be an excellent location to have 'clear room' crypto >> work done. Taiwan has a very large skilled software labor pool and isn't a >> member of COCOM. >Why go so far, when you can export crypto from Anguila or Canada. The >first is right next to Florida and is a tax haven, the second has a large >talent pool and the same qulity telecom as the States. The main problem is >concealing the fact that there may be any Americans involved. Both save >you the trouble of learning Chinese. I didn't mean that an U.S. citizen should relocate and develop in Taiwan. Why do that when almost all Taiwanese CS speak, read and write fluent english. Just develop the specs and contract for programming. There are many companies waiting to take you business . BTW, there a several U.S. companies (e.g., Typhoon Software, typhoon(a)typhoon.com) which can manage the development of a wide variety of software projects (including crypto code) by highly qualified personel in the former Soviet Republics. For comfort, the software can be tested in the U.S. (just to make sure no trapdoors have been insered by the Russian Mafia ;-) -- Steve

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Re: Medical Data
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 4:27 PM 9/25/96, Asgaard wrote: >On Tue, 24 Sep 1996, Timothy C. May wrote: > >> Why can't patients carry their _own_ medical records, and disclose what >> they wish to disclose to doctors and hospitals, as they see fit? Whether >> implemented in a high-tech version, as a "smart card," or a low-tech >> version, as a "dossier" (a file folder), the principle's the same. > >One problem is when a patient is suing his doctor, but claiming that his >'dossier' was lost in a fire. The doctor then has to defend himself >with only 'your word against mine' instead of having his own account >of what was happening on file, including test results etc that could >be very interesting for the defence. Well, this is a potentially confusing hypothetical, and a short paragraph description doesn't do it justice. - did not the patient have backups? if not, why not? - the doctor will have records of what _he_ did, and records of _what was disclosed to him_ by the patient. This should be enough, as his "end" has done exactly what was agreed to. (Indeed, the unrevealed parts of the dossier are not known to him, but then they were "unrevealed," which is the whole point. That the "unrevealed" parts were lost or destroyed in a head crash, or whatever, is not germane at all.) --Tim May We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, I know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^1,257,787-1 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Re: Mitsubishi MISTY LSI
by frantz＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> Nikkei English News, 24 September 1996. > > [Mitsubishi] fabricated the chip as a gate array using a > 0.5 micron CMOS process and its own proprietary > encryption algorithm MISTY. Operating at a maximum > input/output speed of 40 megahertz, the chip can handle > 32 bits per clock cycle. Does anyone have a reason not to consider this algorithm snake oil? e.g.: Was it developed by a well known cryptographer? Has it been vetted by someone/some organization with reputation? I other words, why should we trust it? ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | "Cave softly, cave safely, | Periwinkle -- Consulting (408)356-8506 | and cave with duct tape." | 16345 Englewood Ave. frantz(a)netcom.com | - Marianne Russo | Los Gatos, CA 95032, USA

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