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'robert' and his 'hipcrime' web site
by nobody＠cypherpunks.ca 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Have you considered who is funding this "hipcrime" site? Web sites aren't terribly expensive these days, but someone paid at least a few hundred dollars in set-up fees for this. Now, I realize that most artists really just like to draw, and will spend money on their art projects without expecting any kind of benefit; that is not unusual. What is unusual is the disclaimer and its corporate mentailty, and the "anarchist info". It's obvious that this guy's true passion is fractals and raytracing. He threw in some bomb-making stuff, but he scanned it out of a book and probably never tried it. Compared to the rest of the site, it looks like an afterthought. Someone who was really interested in chemistry would have taken the time to retype the info and add their own comments. He had a reason to have some "anarchist" info on there but he's not really interested in it. So basically this guy is a mathematician/artist trying to pretend he's an anarchist. Same goes for the remailers. He claims he likes remailers and anonymity, but he's lying. Anyone who really liked remailers/anonymity/privacy would have pages and pages about how to use remailers, and why privacy is a good thing. He has a reason he needs to be anonymous, but it's not because he supports privacy. He publishes a PGP key, because he wants to pretend he's an anarchist, and Louis Freeh told him that all evil terrorist organizations use PGP. But he doesn't like PGP, he doesn't advocate PGP, and he doesn't tell you where to get PGP. So we have a guy, probably with an education in mathematics, who likes abstract art. Not what would generally be considered a political figure. But there's something else there - something that doesn't want to be seen, something that is very strongly law&order, something that doesn't understand the anarchy of the net, and fears it. Something that has the money to fund lots of little pet projects. Is robert(a)precipice.v-site.net just a useful idiot who found someone who will fund his fractal creations? Or is he a willing participant? I guess it doesn't matter really. Someone here doesn't like us... didn't like us before Hipcrime went online, and still doesn't like us. But now at least he's got our attention.

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Re: Hacking Mobil Telephone System ?
by Peter Trei 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> On Wed, 11 Sep 1996, Stephan Schmidt wrote: > > > The German Company MobilCom wants to proove > > that the German GSM networks D1,D2 and E+ are > > secure. > > > <snip> > > > > If a hacker is able to phone using the number > > 0171 / 3 28 99 66 in Germany with a hacked code, > > the company will pay 100.000 DM (~65.000$) to a non > > profit organisation of the hackers choice. > > > > Is someone able to do this ? :) > > While there's dubious wisdom in trying to tell Der Polizei, "I was just > responding to an authorization that I found on the Internet that says it's > OK to phreak your phones - honest," I'd also expect to get paid a hell of > a lot more than $65 for doing a penetration test on their network. Sixty > five bucks won't even pay the per diem, none the less a reasonable wage. > And Der Polizei is *NOT* known for having a sense of humor about anything, > at any time, with anyone. Remember, kids, they may look like shit in > uniform, but those automatic weapons they carry are real, so's the ammo, > and they know how to use both of 'em. The simple solution is to call the number from a regular phone, and find out if the offer is correct. I think you'll find that '100.000 DM (~65.000$)' is European nomenclature for '100,000 DM (~65,000$). The differences between US and European nomenclature can be subtle, yet important. Quick - which is likely to have had warmer weather: 1/8/96, or 8/1/96? Peter Trei Senior Software Engineer Purveyor Development Team Process Software Corporation http://www.process.com trei(a)process.com

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Did someone from juno.com say "hacking"?
by dlv＠bwalk.dm.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Attention wannabe hackers from juno.com: Wanna lose your juno account fast? call 1-800-575-4516 with a modem log in as junox13, password wiujuywe type ? for the list of commands... One interesting command that works is telnet x13.boston.juno.com 1793 /stream Another interesting number is 1-800-328-2427. They also have a load of local numbers. One call also call their tech support (voice) at 1-800-586-6889 One can e-mail Charles Ardai at president(a)juno.com and ask him to be added to the kiddie porn mailing list. The possibilities are endless. But hurry! The holes may be closed soon. --- Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps

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HipCrime and Spam
by HipCrime 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>Go downtown to City Hall and post advertisements for your website on >all the walls and doors. Be sure to put one on the Mayor's office and >all the members of the City Council. If they complain, explain to them >why they are weak-minded souls who can't remove unwanted messages. You guys OBVIOUSLY confuse reality with cyberspace. Grafitti is actual property damage. A message in an EmailBox is long, long way from being comparable. Let's make use of that "education" that seems to make you so proud. -- Security is mostly a superstition. It does not exist in nature, nor do the children of men as a whole experience it. Avoiding danger is no safer in the long run than outright exposure. Life is either a daring adventure, or nothing. -- Hellen Keller

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Re: Court challenge to AOL junk-mail blocks
by watson＠tds.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

NetSurfer said: If you know a valid email address on the spammers system you can always bounce each message back to them. If enough people turned the messages back on them it might give them the opportunity to experience first hand what its like to receive tons of mail you don't want or need... Doesn't seem to work that well. The "green card lawyers" were reported to have received hate-mail in the hundreds of thousands. The happily waded through it all and pulled out a few valid replies who apparently made it all a net profit for them, apparently. What we really need is to improve our defensive filtering mechanisms. Someday soon we'll all have our own personal software agents that will handle all this stuff for us. Optimistic Dave

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Re: Child porn as thoughtcrime
by Chuck Thompson 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Well Andrew, pornography is meant to lead to arousal, which can lead to aggression, which may lead to abuse. It's a fairly common path according to what I've read on deviancy. Following is one association's opinion, but don't stop there, read for yourself what some of the deviants themselves have to say: <http://www.casti.com/NMV/html/nmv19.html> An excerpt from the American Pyschiatric Association <http://vanbc.wimsey.com/~igregson/philias.html At 01:59 PM 9/11/96 -0500, you wrote: >> The argument is not dependent upon whether or not actual >> children are used, any more than whether or not an actual gun >> is used in a robbery - the net effect is the same. Children >> are harmed by the promotion of child porn because it leads to >> the abuse/exploitation of kids. > >I don't believe you. Prove that drawings of children having sex leads to >the abuse/explaitation of kids. Provide some evidence... > > >andrew > Regards, Chuck Thompson

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Re: China joins Singapore, Germany, ....
by Duncan Frissell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 07:43 PM 9/10/96 -0500, Declan McCullagh wrote: >I respectfully disagree. I spend most of my time going through sites like >cnn.com, hotwired.com, news.com, altavista.digital.com, yahoo.com, >lycos.com, hotbot.com, eff.org, well.com, mit.edu, whitehouse.gov, and so >on. Search engines and directories, in particular, are good chokepoints to >block. > >Blocking 100 sites would certainly be significant to me -- as long as >they're the right ones. Before the technical fixes, that is. But aren't you, the Nazis, Lee Kwan Yew, and the Heathen Chinee all committing the "Web Fallacy" -- the belief that the Web = The Net? Have you seen *any* examples of mailing list censorship? Even the mild newsgroup censorship attempts are easily dodged by picking up your news from a distant server (which is not a *technological* fix but an ordinary part of reading news since many ISPs don't carry all 30K of groups in any case). If almost all sites are ignored, if news is available from thousands of servers, and if mailing lists, IRC, telnet, ftp, gopher, etc are ignored; can we say that there is much actual net censorship going on? DCF "The Net -- where any 12 year old can defeat the governments of the world with 15 minutes work."

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na673130@anon.penet.fi gone [Anonymous service rejected your mail.] (fwd)
by Andy Dustman 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Looks like Spambo either deleted his id or Julf pulled the plug on him. Andy Dustman / Computational Center for Molecular Structure and Design / UGA ===== For PGP public key: finger andy(a)neptune.chem.uga.edu | pgp -fka ===== Sure, the Telecomm Act will create jobs: 100,000 new thought-cops on the net http://charon.chem.uga.edu/~andy mailto:andy@CCMSD.chem.uga.edu <}+++< - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 12 Sep 96 04:36:13 +0300 From: daemon(a)anon.penet.fi To: andy(a)ccmsd.chem.uga.edu Subject: Anonymous service rejected your mail. You, andy(a)ccmsd.chem.uga.edu, have requested mail forwarding to na673130. This was rejected, as the user is unknown. Either the id has never been allocated, or the id has been removed at the request of the user. Contents of message follows: [deleted] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMjdsIy0jMb7JduJJAQHl1AQAoLN85rIEqLBSKm/0dVjj7eD/aDh6lpKX B75xki8v20+LFku9ddXy1rb8KEKqnMVy/WSGlB18gNvqFJTbw4obzB4/M+df3JPy 893mVkaJd24d+OZWYwTx1Nc19VIho9WXSC/8ohJhVN+R44R4+yWjHzupCAMxGfiY wWzgMqQXlwI= =7KZS -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Hacking Mobil Telephone System ?
by Adamsc＠io-online.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Wed, 11 Sep 1996 18:56:10 -0400 (EDT), Mark O. Aldrich wrote: >After having traveled in Europe, I was certainly familiar with the >difference in the notation. You also think, however, that I would have >paid more attention to what the hell I was reading before I shot off my >mouth (via my keyboard), but I didn't. I think this is called a "brain >fart" (note to our European brothers and sisters - over there, I think you >call it a "mental fugue" or "Parliamentary election," I'm nor sure which). I've always wondered if the makers of mailer software couldn't include a delay option, so that, say, a message might be held for 10 minutes and then sent. Imagine how many of the "Sorry about x; I meant y" posts we'd never see. # Chris Adams <adamsc(a)io-online.com> | http://www.io-online.com/adamsc/adamsc.htp # cadams(a)acucobol.com | V.M. (619)515-4894 "I have never been able to figure out why anyone would want to play games on a computer in any case when the whole system is a game. Word processing, spreadsheets, telecoms -- it's all a game. And they pay you to play it." -- Duncan Frissell

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Bay Area Cypherpunks Meeting Saturday 9/14, 12-6PDT, Stanford
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The monthly Bay Area Cypherpunks Meeting will be held Saturday, September 14th, at the picnic tables outside Tressider Hall at Stanford University. Lunch and general hanging out begin at 12:00, Program begins at 1:00. The coffee shop at Tressider will be open, though the main cafeteria won't be. Some items on the agenda include John Gilmore's SWAN project, Encrypting 5% of the net by Christmas Highlights of Crypto '96 meeting in Santa Barbara Bagels and bagel paraphrenalia The remailer crisis - anon.penet.fi, creative new spammer attacks Censorship Firewalls for SG, CN, DE, etc. - designing workarounds The Bernstein Lawsuit - court date is Friday Sept. 20 Bring show&tell items. You can find a map of the Stanford campus on the web at http://www.stanford.edu/home/visitors/campus-map.html To confuse Stanford alumni, the map has been realigned with the North end up, so visitors can use it. From Campus Drive East, turn North on Mayfield Ave, turn right on Lagunita Dr, and park in the lot. Walk north to Tressider, and the tables are on the west=left side. Look for the crowd of drug smugglers, money launderers, and Suspicious Persons. # Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart, +1-415-442-2215 stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com # <A HREF="http://idiom.com/~wcs"> # You can get PGP software outside the US at ftp.ox.ac.uk/pub/crypto

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