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Dr. Vulis is not on cypherpunks any more
by John Gilmore 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

As stated by Dr. Vulis, he is no longer on the cypherpunks mailing list, and indeed majordomo(a)toad.com HAS been instructed to ignore his requests to resubscribe. I removed him, on my own initiative. I got tired of asking him to stop stirring up flames. When he posted a message saying that we'd have to use technical means to stop him from flaming the list, I said, "OK". Tim May was not involved. I've met Dr. Vulis in person. He seemed like a reasonable guy. I treated him that way for months, despite his inability to control himself on the list. When he ultimately declined to control his outbursts after numerous personal requests, I removed him. The cypherpunks list is for discussions centered around cryptography. I'm sure there are several mailing lists where ethnic cleansing discussions would be welcome. There are probably even mailing lists which encourage people to fire off their best inflammatory messages. If there aren't, Dr Vulis could start one. I don't sponsor any. Cypherpunks, please resist your own temptation to bait him (or anyone else). The best defense a mailing list has against flames is to simply ignore them. When they don't provoke an emotional response, they don't accomplish the poster's goal, and the poster eventually wanders off in search of more naive pastures. John Gilmore

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Re: And your little dog, too
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 12:39 AM 11/23/1997 +0100, doormouse wrote Anonymously: >>Wasn't that a TOTO forgery, rather than igor himself? >I use Eudora, it doesn't show full headers, >when I suspect a forgery I need to save it to disk and >use a text editor to check full headers. >Have I missed an easy way to configure eudora to show full headers? Which Eudora version are you using? Eudora Light (and Pro, of course) have always let you see the headers, if you'll work your way through the Tools->Options menus. Under 3.x, the message reading window has a "Blah Blah Blah" button to let you turn display of headers on and off easily. I've configured my filters so that mail with obvious Toto headers in it gets the Subject: line flagged so I notice it faster. Thanks! Bill Bill Stewart, stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com Regular Key PGP Fingerprint D454 E202 CBC8 40BF 3C85 B884 0ABE 4639

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Re: [Fwd: [cpj:265] COS]
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Anonymous wrote: > > >At 12:06 PM -0700 11/22/97, TruthMonger wrote: > > >>Have you heard of a Mac compatible OS called "COS" from Omega in East > > >>Germany? > I have a friend from Santa Fe who did some work with Omega and her > opinion was that their purpose in crypto OS development was aimed > toward using it as leverage for being bribed into compromising or > abandoning it in return for government/spook business. Check out the number of companies in the computer security business and closely related areas who have a board of directors composed of ex-spooks and ex-military brass. I can hardly wait for the Pretty Good Freeh-Dumb software to hit the market after the pictures of J. Edgar Hoover buttfucking young Louey are released. A Future Political Prisoner To Be Named Later

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Re: Jim Bell's Sentencing Delayed Again
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Tim May wrote: >The several-times delayed sentencing, with no protests from Bell's >court-appointed lawyer, tells me the Feds are trying to get some final >details lined up. Several other possibilities have circulated: 1. Jim's still ill, physically, as indicated by the docket's listing of a doctor's visit, or psychosomatically, due to the strain of indefinite incarceration and pressures of interrogation. 2. Jim is not fully cooperating, say, refusing to name others or provide evidence about his own activities or those of others. 3. Jim's behaving erratically, sometimes cooperative, sometimes defiant. 4. Jim's drawing out cooperation, negotiating for a better deal, perhaps with his attorney's advice to do so. 5. Jim is faking it, convincingly, sending the feds off on wild goose chases, working with confederates on preplanned ruses. 6. Jim is not what he appears to be, never was, and nobody gets what he's up to. The current Jim just another ploy, AP a lure. 7. Finally, no disrespect intended -- first time jail is one shitty experience, with nightmares of lonely long time sentence worse than most of us will ever know -- Jim freaks on sentencing day, shits himself, collapses, can't face what's coming, and the court mercifully delays the day reckoning. Still, there's a slim chance he's enjoying himself in Seattle or DC, working an IRS Fortier-ruse on us.

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Re: Jim Bell's Sentencing Delayed Again
by Brian B. Riley 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 11/22/97 12:00 PM, Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM (dlv(a)bwalk.dm.com) passed this wisdom: >[1] Interesting enough, anyone in the U.S. who expressed the >opinion in the 1930's that there's a famine going on in Russia, or >that the public confessions made at the show trials might be >questionable, was branded a fascist by the new York Times crowd and >was likely to lose his job. If I remember correctly about ten-twelve years or so ago it was revealed thah the NY Times reporter who won a Pulitizer prize for his coverage of the 'famine' was exposed as having not only been aware of what was going on but wa actively involved in promoting the deception and his award was revoked (not that it mattered much fifty years later) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 Charset: noconv iQA/AwUBNHdCncdZgC62U/gIEQJIHgCfXYknNpEmLUyGkZk0/hsDOQtGVgMAnAiw xmeSWqQOdcPtGiGt4Y2aMSsd =UX27 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Brian B. Riley --> http://www.macconnect.com/~brianbr For PGP Keys <mailto:brianbr@together.net?subject=Get%20PGP%20Key> "Saying windows 95 is equal to Macintosh is like finding a potato that looks like Jesus and believing you've seen the Second Coming." -- Guy Kawasaki (MacWorld, Nov '95)

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No Subject
by bureau42 Anonymous Remailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

doormouse said: >igor said: > >>I am sorry for the recent interruption of the cypherpunks mailing list. >>The dog ate my computer. Then Joichi Ito ate my dog. >> >>Igor > >Igor, Japanese dont eat dog, that is the Koreans and Vietnamese. > >doormouse Perhaps they picked up the taste while they were occupying those countries in their Fascist efforts for conquest. DogMonger

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10.75 - NWO
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

It's really a secondary matter whether the centralization of power is the result of a conscious collusion aimed at creating a world government. Conspiracies are real, and conspiratorial behavior is inseparable from politics, since politics is largely the pursuit of power by sneaky people. I don't think Abraham Lincoln intended to destroy the independence of the states when he conducted the Civil War. He merely wanted to save the Union, and he thought in terms of that immediate goal. But it doesn't matter what he meant to do. As a practical matter, his policy set the United States on a course of centralization. The Union victory meant that no state could ever secede again, regardless of how tyrannical the Union might become. That removed an essential restraint on Union -- alias "federal" -- power. I doubt that Franklin Roosevelt meant to destroy all remaining constitutional restraints on the government; he merely knocked them out of his way when necessary. In the same way, today's globalists and interventionists, forever pursuing international treaties and alliances, may think they are promoting peace and prosperity, seeing no tyrannical potential in a "new world order." But the rest of us have to worry about what these arrangements may mean for us and our children down the road. Good intentions are beside the point. What is the actual tendency of these new contracts among superstates?

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10.5
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

nobody since Nixon was been impeached for violating his oath of office by subverting the Constitution. This suggests either that everyone honors the oath or that the oath is meaningless. Suppose, in a society with a normal level of criminal behavior, there were no prosecutions for burglary. Would you infer that there were no burglaries in that society? Or would you infer, rather, that the burglary laws just weren't being enforced? When a bill is proposed in Congress, our representatives almost never ask themselves: "Where in the Constitution do we get the power to enact this measure?" Instead they presume that they have virtually any power they choose to exercise. They simply feel no tension between their will and the Constitution that is supposed to restrain them. This doesn't look much like an ethos of limited government.

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