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Re: [tor-talk] [liberationtech] Not another Haystack right?
by nathan＠freitas.net 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

I wrote the block of text attributed to Eugene below, and total agree with you, Andrew. Much of the activist tech support I do is for Tibetans inside Occupied Tibet, and as we know Tor in China right now is quite a difficult proposition. Traditional VPNs can and do work, especially when the user simply needs circumvention, and has enough of a risk safety net that they won't be questioned or detained for simply using a vpn. As the primary developer of Orbot as well, I also deal with mobile latency issues quite a bit as well, and this has led me to think quite a bit about how the real time browse and click model of the web is highly incompatible with the realities of Tor. I think the solution for users who want both strong anonymity and circumvention via Tor, and are operating in a high latency environment, is to use applications like offline web cacheing tools (from pay per minute, dial up era), RSS readers, Twitter clients, Podcast apps and even Mail clients, which support synchronization and offline content access. These types of apps minimize the latency a user has to experience, while maximizing the amount of content that can then be shared via sneakernet or LANs. In summary, I think we should try to expand the way people use Tor, as opposed to pushing them towards less safe solutions. +n8fr8 -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. Andrew <andrew(a)pdqvpn.com> wrote: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 12/2/2011 4:19 AM, Eugen Leitl wrote: > This also works against Tor in many cases, where people might > understand it is the best option, but will use a less safe VPN or > single-hop proxy, because they want something 'faster' or need to > stream a YouTube video in Flash. In that case, they are following > the wrong instincts, but it is the same mechanic at play We have to be more pragmatic tor is horrendously slow/unusable in some of these countries, and as long as you take some steps like not using single hop for either Proxies or VPNs, then you are addressing the treat model that they face, not one that we are making up in our heads. I realize that it is not perfect, and there is a trade off, but people on the ground are looking at it and making that choice for themselves. I've spent a lot of time working on issues with Syria lately, the universal report is that tor is terrible slow, they can't use tails because it takes too long to download/ is blocked, and their data might leak if if they use Tor, so using a VPN with some precautions taken is much more appetizing. - -Andrew -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJO2VWEAAoJEJW/J8aB8dYICFwIALhvq3K49XfOnd1PJ1jVlWJv YOvWDBZCDkdo8ygMFZpAfRmAELUT4aPw9B3UKJOhBI87Hcjm6RA1BpDw09YdQdbl 4mK1U+X0DZL0dIjQZioqo95w3ey6Jzj6ddF0rctmwC3zAkLUdVg9wTvCUurH+UII TKrTLBaSVacGIqPxrgYOpLpSEUt4HzYQbOJla0VsaUw+voG/03GWaKo5CJrKKhTa Gx+lFlSxrYl+tyHa47vuuJrHdvR9j4sr/AQ2aJyYdXdumUWVMyBIOsssMbqG0xu3 6Y2cbRSTHZJlyFdZasgRsUE3gNiDup9LZ0AuW2hcVDzdaLCWmhkLxoB6kaJmn/A= =JnWc -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _____________________________________________ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk(a)lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk _______________________________________________ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk(a)lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> http://leitl.org ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com http://postbiota.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE

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by Zach Tumin 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

I am pleased to announce the availability of FSTC's "Understanding and Countering the Phishing Threat," the summary whitepaper of findings and recommendations of the FSTC Counter-Phishing Project. The whitepaper contains valuable data, published here for the first time, including FSTC's "Phishing Attack Life Cycle" and FSTC's "Taxonomy of Phishing Attacks." This and all other project deliverables are located at http://fstc.org/projects/counter-phishing-phase-1/ In addition to the whitepaper, the following deliverables are being made available on the site, as follows: TO ALL: "Results Summary: FSTC Counter-Phishing Solutions Survey": An overview of the 60+ solutions currently offered on the marketplace, broken down by where they map against the FSTC "Phishing Attack Life Cycle" TO ALL: "Vocabulary of Phishing Terms": A glossary of terms used throughout the project. The project team used these to "speak the same language" when talking about the problem and potential solutions, whether internally, or with vendors, or with customers TO FSTC MEMBERS ONLY: "Results Summarized By Solution": identifies solutions by company and product name as they map against the different phases of the FSTC "Phishing Attack Life Cycle" TO FSTC MEMBERS ONLY: "Directory of Survey Respondents": contact information for each company/solution provider that responded to the survey FOR PURCHASE: "Cost/Impact Spreadsheet Tool": a tool that provides a means to estimate the direct and indirect costs/impacts of phishing to a financial institution FSTC extends its gratitude to its member organizations for their efforts and contributions in completing this important industry research, and to the project's talented management team for helping our members realize their goals. ---------------------------------------------------------------- To subscribe or unsubscribe from this elist use the subscription manager: <http://ls.fstc.org/subscriber> --- end forwarded text -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)ibuc.com> The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

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by Zach Tumin 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

I am pleased to announce the availability of FSTC's "Understanding and Countering the Phishing Threat," the summary whitepaper of findings and recommendations of the FSTC Counter-Phishing Project. The whitepaper contains valuable data, published here for the first time, including FSTC's "Phishing Attack Life Cycle" and FSTC's "Taxonomy of Phishing Attacks." This and all other project deliverables are located at http://fstc.org/projects/counter-phishing-phase-1/ In addition to the whitepaper, the following deliverables are being made available on the site, as follows: TO ALL: "Results Summary: FSTC Counter-Phishing Solutions Survey": An overview of the 60+ solutions currently offered on the marketplace, broken down by where they map against the FSTC "Phishing Attack Life Cycle" TO ALL: "Vocabulary of Phishing Terms": A glossary of terms used throughout the project. The project team used these to "speak the same language" when talking about the problem and potential solutions, whether internally, or with vendors, or with customers TO FSTC MEMBERS ONLY: "Results Summarized By Solution": identifies solutions by company and product name as they map against the different phases of the FSTC "Phishing Attack Life Cycle" TO FSTC MEMBERS ONLY: "Directory of Survey Respondents": contact information for each company/solution provider that responded to the survey FOR PURCHASE: "Cost/Impact Spreadsheet Tool": a tool that provides a means to estimate the direct and indirect costs/impacts of phishing to a financial institution FSTC extends its gratitude to its member organizations for their efforts and contributions in completing this important industry research, and to the project's talented management team for helping our members realize their goals. ---------------------------------------------------------------- To subscribe or unsubscribe from this elist use the subscription manager: <http://ls.fstc.org/subscriber> --- end forwarded text -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)ibuc.com> The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

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by Zach Tumin 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

I am pleased to announce the availability of FSTC's "Understanding and Countering the Phishing Threat," the summary whitepaper of findings and recommendations of the FSTC Counter-Phishing Project. The whitepaper contains valuable data, published here for the first time, including FSTC's "Phishing Attack Life Cycle" and FSTC's "Taxonomy of Phishing Attacks." This and all other project deliverables are located at http://fstc.org/projects/counter-phishing-phase-1/ In addition to the whitepaper, the following deliverables are being made available on the site, as follows: TO ALL: "Results Summary: FSTC Counter-Phishing Solutions Survey": An overview of the 60+ solutions currently offered on the marketplace, broken down by where they map against the FSTC "Phishing Attack Life Cycle" TO ALL: "Vocabulary of Phishing Terms": A glossary of terms used throughout the project. The project team used these to "speak the same language" when talking about the problem and potential solutions, whether internally, or with vendors, or with customers TO FSTC MEMBERS ONLY: "Results Summarized By Solution": identifies solutions by company and product name as they map against the different phases of the FSTC "Phishing Attack Life Cycle" TO FSTC MEMBERS ONLY: "Directory of Survey Respondents": contact information for each company/solution provider that responded to the survey FOR PURCHASE: "Cost/Impact Spreadsheet Tool": a tool that provides a means to estimate the direct and indirect costs/impacts of phishing to a financial institution FSTC extends its gratitude to its member organizations for their efforts and contributions in completing this important industry research, and to the project's talented management team for helping our members realize their goals. ---------------------------------------------------------------- To subscribe or unsubscribe from this elist use the subscription manager: <http://ls.fstc.org/subscriber> --- end forwarded text -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)ibuc.com> The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

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by Zach Tumin 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

I am pleased to announce the availability of FSTC's "Understanding and Countering the Phishing Threat," the summary whitepaper of findings and recommendations of the FSTC Counter-Phishing Project. The whitepaper contains valuable data, published here for the first time, including FSTC's "Phishing Attack Life Cycle" and FSTC's "Taxonomy of Phishing Attacks." This and all other project deliverables are located at http://fstc.org/projects/counter-phishing-phase-1/ In addition to the whitepaper, the following deliverables are being made available on the site, as follows: TO ALL: "Results Summary: FSTC Counter-Phishing Solutions Survey": An overview of the 60+ solutions currently offered on the marketplace, broken down by where they map against the FSTC "Phishing Attack Life Cycle" TO ALL: "Vocabulary of Phishing Terms": A glossary of terms used throughout the project. The project team used these to "speak the same language" when talking about the problem and potential solutions, whether internally, or with vendors, or with customers TO FSTC MEMBERS ONLY: "Results Summarized By Solution": identifies solutions by company and product name as they map against the different phases of the FSTC "Phishing Attack Life Cycle" TO FSTC MEMBERS ONLY: "Directory of Survey Respondents": contact information for each company/solution provider that responded to the survey FOR PURCHASE: "Cost/Impact Spreadsheet Tool": a tool that provides a means to estimate the direct and indirect costs/impacts of phishing to a financial institution FSTC extends its gratitude to its member organizations for their efforts and contributions in completing this important industry research, and to the project's talented management team for helping our members realize their goals. ---------------------------------------------------------------- To subscribe or unsubscribe from this elist use the subscription manager: <http://ls.fstc.org/subscriber> --- end forwarded text -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)ibuc.com> The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

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by Zach Tumin 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

I am pleased to announce the availability of FSTC's "Understanding and Countering the Phishing Threat," the summary whitepaper of findings and recommendations of the FSTC Counter-Phishing Project. The whitepaper contains valuable data, published here for the first time, including FSTC's "Phishing Attack Life Cycle" and FSTC's "Taxonomy of Phishing Attacks." This and all other project deliverables are located at http://fstc.org/projects/counter-phishing-phase-1/ In addition to the whitepaper, the following deliverables are being made available on the site, as follows: TO ALL: "Results Summary: FSTC Counter-Phishing Solutions Survey": An overview of the 60+ solutions currently offered on the marketplace, broken down by where they map against the FSTC "Phishing Attack Life Cycle" TO ALL: "Vocabulary of Phishing Terms": A glossary of terms used throughout the project. The project team used these to "speak the same language" when talking about the problem and potential solutions, whether internally, or with vendors, or with customers TO FSTC MEMBERS ONLY: "Results Summarized By Solution": identifies solutions by company and product name as they map against the different phases of the FSTC "Phishing Attack Life Cycle" TO FSTC MEMBERS ONLY: "Directory of Survey Respondents": contact information for each company/solution provider that responded to the survey FOR PURCHASE: "Cost/Impact Spreadsheet Tool": a tool that provides a means to estimate the direct and indirect costs/impacts of phishing to a financial institution FSTC extends its gratitude to its member organizations for their efforts and contributions in completing this important industry research, and to the project's talented management team for helping our members realize their goals. ---------------------------------------------------------------- To subscribe or unsubscribe from this elist use the subscription manager: <http://ls.fstc.org/subscriber> --- end forwarded text -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)ibuc.com> The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

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by Zach Tumin 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

I am pleased to announce the availability of FSTC's "Understanding and Countering the Phishing Threat," the summary whitepaper of findings and recommendations of the FSTC Counter-Phishing Project. The whitepaper contains valuable data, published here for the first time, including FSTC's "Phishing Attack Life Cycle" and FSTC's "Taxonomy of Phishing Attacks." This and all other project deliverables are located at http://fstc.org/projects/counter-phishing-phase-1/ In addition to the whitepaper, the following deliverables are being made available on the site, as follows: TO ALL: "Results Summary: FSTC Counter-Phishing Solutions Survey": An overview of the 60+ solutions currently offered on the marketplace, broken down by where they map against the FSTC "Phishing Attack Life Cycle" TO ALL: "Vocabulary of Phishing Terms": A glossary of terms used throughout the project. The project team used these to "speak the same language" when talking about the problem and potential solutions, whether internally, or with vendors, or with customers TO FSTC MEMBERS ONLY: "Results Summarized By Solution": identifies solutions by company and product name as they map against the different phases of the FSTC "Phishing Attack Life Cycle" TO FSTC MEMBERS ONLY: "Directory of Survey Respondents": contact information for each company/solution provider that responded to the survey FOR PURCHASE: "Cost/Impact Spreadsheet Tool": a tool that provides a means to estimate the direct and indirect costs/impacts of phishing to a financial institution FSTC extends its gratitude to its member organizations for their efforts and contributions in completing this important industry research, and to the project's talented management team for helping our members realize their goals. ---------------------------------------------------------------- To subscribe or unsubscribe from this elist use the subscription manager: <http://ls.fstc.org/subscriber> --- end forwarded text -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)ibuc.com> The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

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by Zach Tumin 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

I am pleased to announce the availability of FSTC's "Understanding and Countering the Phishing Threat," the summary whitepaper of findings and recommendations of the FSTC Counter-Phishing Project. The whitepaper contains valuable data, published here for the first time, including FSTC's "Phishing Attack Life Cycle" and FSTC's "Taxonomy of Phishing Attacks." This and all other project deliverables are located at http://fstc.org/projects/counter-phishing-phase-1/ In addition to the whitepaper, the following deliverables are being made available on the site, as follows: TO ALL: "Results Summary: FSTC Counter-Phishing Solutions Survey": An overview of the 60+ solutions currently offered on the marketplace, broken down by where they map against the FSTC "Phishing Attack Life Cycle" TO ALL: "Vocabulary of Phishing Terms": A glossary of terms used throughout the project. The project team used these to "speak the same language" when talking about the problem and potential solutions, whether internally, or with vendors, or with customers TO FSTC MEMBERS ONLY: "Results Summarized By Solution": identifies solutions by company and product name as they map against the different phases of the FSTC "Phishing Attack Life Cycle" TO FSTC MEMBERS ONLY: "Directory of Survey Respondents": contact information for each company/solution provider that responded to the survey FOR PURCHASE: "Cost/Impact Spreadsheet Tool": a tool that provides a means to estimate the direct and indirect costs/impacts of phishing to a financial institution FSTC extends its gratitude to its member organizations for their efforts and contributions in completing this important industry research, and to the project's talented management team for helping our members realize their goals. ---------------------------------------------------------------- To subscribe or unsubscribe from this elist use the subscription manager: <http://ls.fstc.org/subscriber> --- end forwarded text -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)ibuc.com> The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

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by Zach Tumin 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

I am pleased to announce the availability of FSTC's "Understanding and Countering the Phishing Threat," the summary whitepaper of findings and recommendations of the FSTC Counter-Phishing Project. The whitepaper contains valuable data, published here for the first time, including FSTC's "Phishing Attack Life Cycle" and FSTC's "Taxonomy of Phishing Attacks." This and all other project deliverables are located at http://fstc.org/projects/counter-phishing-phase-1/ In addition to the whitepaper, the following deliverables are being made available on the site, as follows: TO ALL: "Results Summary: FSTC Counter-Phishing Solutions Survey": An overview of the 60+ solutions currently offered on the marketplace, broken down by where they map against the FSTC "Phishing Attack Life Cycle" TO ALL: "Vocabulary of Phishing Terms": A glossary of terms used throughout the project. The project team used these to "speak the same language" when talking about the problem and potential solutions, whether internally, or with vendors, or with customers TO FSTC MEMBERS ONLY: "Results Summarized By Solution": identifies solutions by company and product name as they map against the different phases of the FSTC "Phishing Attack Life Cycle" TO FSTC MEMBERS ONLY: "Directory of Survey Respondents": contact information for each company/solution provider that responded to the survey FOR PURCHASE: "Cost/Impact Spreadsheet Tool": a tool that provides a means to estimate the direct and indirect costs/impacts of phishing to a financial institution FSTC extends its gratitude to its member organizations for their efforts and contributions in completing this important industry research, and to the project's talented management team for helping our members realize their goals. ---------------------------------------------------------------- To subscribe or unsubscribe from this elist use the subscription manager: <http://ls.fstc.org/subscriber> --- end forwarded text -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)ibuc.com> The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

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by Zach Tumin 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

I am pleased to announce the availability of FSTC's "Understanding and Countering the Phishing Threat," the summary whitepaper of findings and recommendations of the FSTC Counter-Phishing Project. The whitepaper contains valuable data, published here for the first time, including FSTC's "Phishing Attack Life Cycle" and FSTC's "Taxonomy of Phishing Attacks." This and all other project deliverables are located at http://fstc.org/projects/counter-phishing-phase-1/ In addition to the whitepaper, the following deliverables are being made available on the site, as follows: TO ALL: "Results Summary: FSTC Counter-Phishing Solutions Survey": An overview of the 60+ solutions currently offered on the marketplace, broken down by where they map against the FSTC "Phishing Attack Life Cycle" TO ALL: "Vocabulary of Phishing Terms": A glossary of terms used throughout the project. The project team used these to "speak the same language" when talking about the problem and potential solutions, whether internally, or with vendors, or with customers TO FSTC MEMBERS ONLY: "Results Summarized By Solution": identifies solutions by company and product name as they map against the different phases of the FSTC "Phishing Attack Life Cycle" TO FSTC MEMBERS ONLY: "Directory of Survey Respondents": contact information for each company/solution provider that responded to the survey FOR PURCHASE: "Cost/Impact Spreadsheet Tool": a tool that provides a means to estimate the direct and indirect costs/impacts of phishing to a financial institution FSTC extends its gratitude to its member organizations for their efforts and contributions in completing this important industry research, and to the project's talented management team for helping our members realize their goals. ---------------------------------------------------------------- To subscribe or unsubscribe from this elist use the subscription manager: <http://ls.fstc.org/subscriber> --- end forwarded text -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)ibuc.com> The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

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