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Re: DL in exchange for fingerprint
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 12:23 PM 9/19/96, Jeff Barber wrote: >Oh joy. You no longer need to be arrested to get fingerprinted >in Georgia. On the front page of Wednesday's Atlanta Journal, under >the headline "Now you can get driver's license in minutes": ... >Just what I would have called it: a great idea. Is it true that 31 >other states take your fingerprint as part of the license application? >I feel sick. California has it, so that's what about 20 million drivers have to put up with. I'd expect all the states to have this within a few years. (Yes, I disliked being thumb-printed, but I could see no viable alternative. I'm sure Duncan has some scheme to declare himself a Botswanan exchange student, but I decided being thumb-printed was the lesser hassle.) By the way, the next rev of the California driver's license will reportedly have one's *Social Security Number* printed on the card! So much for the statement clearly printed on my card: "For social security and tax purposes -- not for identification." Paraphrasing that famous quote, just which part of "not for identification" don't they understand? (Indeed, I am asked for my SSN in many places. A few times I've refused to give it. Once the clerk just said, "Fine, I have it here on my computer anyway." Refusing to give it is probably no longer meaningful, due to massively cross-linked data bases.) Again, we desperately need an infrastructure of "credentials without identity." --Tim May We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, I know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^1,257,787-1 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Re: SAY WHAT? [Assassination NOISE]
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

An earlier generation of Assassination Politics set the public's stereotype view of "anarchists" for the next hundred years. Do we really want to do it again? Perhaps the public will realize that we're not lefty-anarchists, we're the Totally Unified Cypherpunk Anarcho-Capitalist Movement... Someone, probably Simon Spero <ses(a)tipper.oit.unc.edu> said: >= .Assasination politics is impossible to defend from a classical >= .Liberal/Libertarian position. Bell advocates arbitrary applications >= .of violence and coercion without restriction. There is no way to >= .justify the initiation of force without abandoning any pretence of >= .being a Libertarian (which, to be fair, Bell doesn't claim to be). Bell, like X, is proposing mechanism without built-in policy, as well as suggesting some potential policy implementations. If you use the mechanism to sponsor assassination of people who have initiated force against you, you're only using retaliatory force, not initiating it. On the other hand, the mechanism also can be used against people who haven't initiated force against the sponsor - even against politicians who have refused to get the country into misguided but popular wars or judges who have refused to convict innocent but wrong-colored defendants. Like democracy, it's a really terrible system, and like democracy, there are some alternatives that aren't worse :-) Maybe even democracy. It's at least as appalling an idea as government. If it does catch on, and I suspect that the technology will certainly make it possible, I hope that most of the public will have enough sense and decency not to pay for murdering people who don't deserve it, so assassins will find more of a market for killing people who do, and that the lower-paid assassins who kill undeserving people will be less competent and get caught like most stupid bank robbers do. But there are enough Drug-War-Loving Americans that I doubt it. And there's enough intersection between the morality-challenged and the financially-challenged fellow Americans down on their luck that some of them will take a break from robbing liquor stores for drug money to make bigger bucks serving the desires of the public that the high-tech lynch mobs will have people they can hire. Not everybody needs Mario Greymist to get some basic "work" done. Glory of the market, matching up supply and demand. And attila replied > all very true. but I will defend Jim Bell's rights to propose > them, even if Bell is more than a few cards short of a full deck. Sure, he's got the right to, and if I run a remailer again he's welcome to use it to discuss AP (though not to propose assassinations....) Doesn't mean I want to encourage this sort of thing, though. Remailers can damn well afford to be choosy, and I'll bet 5 zorkmids that the first person to use my remailer for assassination doesn't last a month. (Oh, wait...) # Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart, +1-415-442-2215 stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com # <A HREF="http://idiom.com/~wcs"> # You can get PGP software outside the US at ftp.ox.ac.uk/pub/crypto

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Insider Trading - news report
by E. Allen Smith 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I'd be curious as to the comments of Black Unicorn and others on that legal finding - it does appear to make things at least a bit better in this area... including making it difficult to claim that insider information shouldn't be transmitted on the Net. Incidentally, I find AP's calling insider trading "fraud" rather biased. -Allen > _________________________________________________________________ > Direct Media > _________________________________________________________________ > INSIDER TRADING NEVER WENT AWAY > __________________________________________________________________________ > Copyright &copy 1996 Nando.net > Copyright &copy 1996 The Associated Press > WASHINGTON (Sep 18, 1996 10:35 a.m. EDT) -- One of the most infamous > acts in the financial fraudster's playbook, insider trading, remains > at record levels, despite a decade of steady crackdowns by regulators. [...] > The SEC brought one of its more unusual insider trading cases on > Monday, when it sued the unnamed account holders in a Swiss and > Bahamian accounts with insider trading ahead of The Gillette Co.'s > merger proposal for Duracell International. [...] > One disturbing development for regulators is a recent decision by the > 8th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals that struck down one of the SEC's > main enforcement tools in insider trading cases. > The court, which covers several Midwestern states, rejected the > so-called "misappropriation theory" in insider trading cases, which is > used to nab people trading on inside information who don't owe a > fiduciary duty to the company's shareholders. The court also rejected > an SEC rule used to snare insider trading in tender offers. > The 8th Circuit decision came in August in a Justice Department case > against Minneapolis attorney James H. O'Hagan, who was charged with > insider trading during the 1988 takeover bid of Pillsbury Co. by Grand > Metropolitan PLC. SEC General Counsel Richard Walker has asked the > appeals court for a rehearing on the matter. > While the 8th Circuit decision represents a setback for the SEC, the > agency usually brings its cases in the New York and Chicago areas, > where the federal courts acknowledge these insider trading rules. > Regulators say these enforcement tools are important because insider > trading follows few patterns. In an analysis of 35 cases brought in > 1995 that solely dealt with insider trading, Gerlach said 20 involved > trading ahead of mergers, three ahead of other positive corporate > announcements and six ahead of bad corporate news. > He described 16 of the cases as "classic insider trading" involving an > executive, company director or employee who traded on confidential, > market sensitive information or tipped friends about it. Among the > remaining cases, four involved trading by securities brokers or other > industry officials, four involved law firm employees and one, an > employee at an outside accounting firm. > Investigators at the Nasdaq Stock Market's market surveillance unit > refer a significant number of insider trading cases to the SEC. Halley > Milligan, who heads a team of nine insider trading investigators at > Nasdaq, said the market has made 73 referrals on suspected insider > trading to the SEC so far in 1996, which is on par with last year, > when 107 cases were referred to the agency. > Nasdaq, like major stock markets, uses sophisticated computer > technology to sniff out illegal trading. The Nasdaq system is called > SWAT, or Stock Watch Automatic Tracking, which scans news databases > after detecting any unusual trading. [...] > Copyright &copy 1996 Nando.net

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Comments on Emoney regulation
by E. Allen Smith 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

JYA has the complete version of this, but I wanted to make a comment that this allegedly pro-consumer group is wanting mandatory receipts - decidedly anti-privacy. Typical; Consumer Reports keeps calling for limits on what can be made available instead of making the information available and letting people decide on their own. There is also the problems associated with welfare-on-a-card - namely limits on what can be purchased, a requirement for full identity disclosures, etcetera. I'd call this effort by government also a form of the pressure-by-economics we saw with the initial Clipper proposal (leaving aside the actual agenda), namely using government purchasing to distort the market (away from anonymous digital cash, in this case). The last statement also brings up the question of why shouldn't banks move out of high-crime areas? I'd appreciate lower bank fees, and so would most people. -Allen > _________________________________________________________________ > Centura > _________________________________________________________________ > REGULATORS TURN SPOTLIGHT ON CYBERMONEY > __________________________________________________________________________ > Copyright &copy 1996 Nando.net > Copyright &copy 1996 N.Y. Times News Service > (Sep 19, 1996 00:41 a.m. EDT) -- As concerns grow about electronic > money-laundering, cybercounterfeiting and bank runs on the Internet, > regulators in the United States and around the world are scurrying to > catch up with the rapid development of electronic money. [...] > Moreover, there is now no requirement that a company that issues > stored-value cards must be a bank or be regulated in any other way. > That raises the question whether these cards, if they become popular, > will become as unruly as the market for prepaid telephone cards, in > which a number of card vendors have failed to deliver the calls that > were promised. [...] > To prevent such problems, a number of other countries have decided to > require that stored-value cards be issued only by banks. > The Federal Reserve has issued proposals on whether the consumer > protections guaranteed for other electronic-funds transfers -- like > direct deposits and debit cards -- will apply to stored-value card > purchases. These protections include the requirement of receipts with > every purchase and a limit on liability if a card is lost or stolen. > The Fed has proposed that card systems that cannot hold more than $100 > and those that have no central records of how much money is on each > card be exempt from the strict consumer-protection rules. > "The Fed proposal is destroying consumer protection," said Janice > Shields, the consumer-research director for the U.S. Public Interest > Research Group in Washington. "They don't want to disclose > error-resolution procedures, and they want unlimited consumer losses." [...] > One force pushing the development of the technology, however, is the > government itself, which has mandated that by 1999 all payments to or > from government accounts must be made electronically. This may have > the most significant effect on the recipients of various welfare > programs, many of whom now do not have bank accounts that could > receive an electronic money transfer. > To deal with this, various groups of state governments are developing > special cards on which benefits payments will be stored. Recipients > will be able to use the cards to withdraw cash at automated teller > machines and to make purchases. > One of the thorniest issues is whether holders of these welfare cards > get the same protections as holders of credit and debit cards issued > by banks. State and local governments do not want to absorb the cost > of issuing refunds, for example, though some readings of the > electronic funds transfer act would require that they do. > Some are also concerned that as banks move more toward offering their > services electronically, they will have more reason to close branches > in inner-city areas. [...] > Copyright &copy 1996 Nando.net

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Re: CIA hacked
by Lord of Entropy 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 01:11 AM 9/20/96 +1000, you wrote: >+http://www.odci.gov/cia >+Seems the DOJ hack was a good inspiration. Heh! Life's good when you're >+willing to work at it. >Did you or anyone get a mirror of the site?! I wanna set one up! ;) http://www.ilf.net/hacked.websites/cia/ -- T 37 5F 68 3F 0F 1B A3 6B 7F 90 EA 40 73 49 2F B0 R Information Liberation Front U NO http://www.ilf.net/ chaoS(a)ilf.Net T E

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Declaration against German censorship
by Felipe Rodriquez 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Send a mail to tuamotu(a)duplox.wz-berlin.de to sign this declaration against current German censorship and IP-filtering of sites. ------------------------------------------------------------------ A Letter of Protest On August 30th 1996, the German Federal Prosecutor wrote to German Internet providers and on-line services telling them that they could possibly be charged with aiding and abetting persons who are currently the subject of a preliminary inquiry by the German Federal Prosecutor due to an article published in a magazine which offended German anti-terrorism laws. The German Federal Prosecutor wrote (excerpt): "Under the following Internet addresses ... [the GFP names two WWW sites, which will be not quoted here because we do not refer to the actual case of a specific text which gives cause for complaint, instead we are interested in the act of censorship as such] ..the complete issue is available... [of the magazine who is subject of preliminary inquiry by the GFP. The GFP explains why they deem the text to be illegal in Germany]... We want you to be aware that you are possibly making yourself liable to prosecution by acting as an accessory to criminal offences [according to German anti-terrorist laws '' 129a,3 and 130a,1 StGB] if you allow the text to be accessed via your Internet dial-ins and host computers." Although the German Federal Prosecutor merely pointed out the possibility of being liable to prosecution and although the opinion of the GFP as expressed in the letter has not as of yet been proven right by a court decision, several German providers responded to the letter by temporarily (for no longer than 28 days) closing off the WWW sites where the electronic version of the article was previously available to Internet readers. From the point of view of a WWW site, for example xs4all.nl in the Netherlands, the action of German providers (among them the largest German providers) means a blockage of all of their WWW information for a great number of German netizens because of a single web page among the thousands of pages xs4all offers at their site. We think denying access to WWW sites is wrong. Beside the fact that it is practically impossible to filter the flow of data in order to keep specific WWW pages which are stored on WWW sites in other countries outside of the German state territory when Germans are allowed to contact these countries by phone for example - unless the German government decided upon massive censorship measurements which would be not according to German Laws as they are today - we demand equal rights for Internet providers and TelCo providers, thus making the GFP's letter unsubstantiated if equal rights were applied. So far, neither German Telecom nor the German postal service have been liable to prosecution by acting as assessories to criminal offences by simply transporting telephone or mail data. xs4all and xs2all Internet Information! back to the letter of protest in german language Internet Information (available in English, Dutch, German): http://www.xs4all.nl/~felipe/germany.html --- latest news Internet Information in German language http://www.spiegel.de/aktuell/sonv0296370906.html http://www.nadir.org/NA/Text/Archiv/Medien/Zeitschriften/radikal/netzzensur/ http://www.anwalt.de/ictf/mirror

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RE: Private key server
by James A. Tunnicliffe 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Gary Howland[SMTP:gary@systemics.com] wrote: f_estema(a)alcor.concordia.ca wrote: > > On Wed, 18 Sep 1996, Gary Howland wrote: > > > If you really want this functionality, a nicer solution is to use your > > passphrase as a seed to the key generator - that way you never need > > So much for entropy. If you can actually remember your seed generator, it > can't be that random, can it? I don't know about you, but I can certainly remember enough bits to be secure. The fact that passphrases are so widely used goes to show that I'm not the only one that can do this. [Darth Vader voice:] "Don't overestimate the entropy of your passphrase" Let's see, 128 bits (say) of info, mapped comfortably into the upper case letters and digits (5 bits/char), means a string of about 26 *really random* characters. An example might be "KQI8CH49SCK3PKWNA37AYV9QJ5". If that just rolls off your toungue, you have my respect (and I have pi memorized to 110 decimal places!) This assumes a full 5 bits of entropy/character. If your passphrase is more coherent (i.e., less entropy) than that, like "Strange kr0ws fly 1azily at MIDnight", it almost certainly contains _far_ less entropy than that. 128 bits of truly arbitrary (random) info is a fair amount of information to comfortably remember. Mind you, I think a properly constructed passphrase (like the one above) is pretty darn resistant against any sort of reasonable dictionary or quasi-brute force attack. But I don't think it's got anywhere near, say, 128 bits of entropy. Probably closer to half that. Anyway, the point I was making that this method would be preferable to a "secret key server". My proposal would offer the same security, would it not? (The secret key server is arguably less secure than generating keys from passphrases, since key generation takes longer than IDEA decryption - however, they are still of the same order). Using a pass phrase to seed key generation (or more directly, using the hash of a pass phrase as a key) does not increase the entropy, of course. Not sure if this is relevant to your claim, as I've sort of lost track of the original context! Best regards, Gary Tunny ====================================================================== James A. 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Re: DL in exchange for fingerprint
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 9:13 PM 9/19/96, Gary Howland wrote: >Timothy C. May wrote: >> >> (Yes, I disliked being thumb-printed, but I could see no viable >> alternative. I'm sure Duncan has some scheme to declare himself a Botswanan >> exchange student, but I decided being thumb-printed was the lesser hassle.) > >Sure, it's always less hassle doing what they want. Privacy doesn't >come for free. It's easier to let the police search you in the street >than it is to make them arrest you so that you can make a formal >complaint. So, just what it is _your_ method of dealing with this? While it is noble to talk about fighting the system, just how do you go about doing it yourself? Do you simply drive without a valid driver's license? I know some folks who do, of course, but it's not something that's "worth it" to me. (This space reserved for your lecture about how I need to be prepared to go to jail to defend my right not to be thumbprinted, etc. On second thought, why don't you be the one to go to jail, and then you can let us know your experiences.) >> Paraphrasing that famous quote, just which part of "not for identification" >> don't they understand? > >Hmm - who are you paraphrasing here? (Just curious). "What part of "No" don't you understand?" and "What part of "Congress shall make no law" don't you understand?" --Tim May We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, I know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^1,257,787-1 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Re: manners and piracy
by Tim May 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 4:59 PM -0800 11/19/98, Bernardo B. Terrado wrote: > >It is the duty of all to say "Hey! respect intellectual property!" If you send me a check for $350 I will agree to issue the statement "Hey! respect intellectual property!" But it is by no means a duty of anyone to make any kind of political statement. Final hint: Cypherpunks don't respond well to "argument ad shame on 'em." That is, to arguments along the lines of "It is the duty of all to protect X." Or to condemn Y. Or to support Z. --Tim May Common Y2K line: "I'm not preparing, but I know where _you_ live." ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, ComSec 3DES: 831-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Licensed Ontologist | black markets, collapse of governments.

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by Brian Durham 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Anyone else having problems posting? I've been getting a mailbox full problem from a vaxen at mqg-smtp3.usmc.mil ... if anyone is interested, will forward error. This post may make it through ...

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