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Big Brother Inside Stickers
by Christian D. Odhner 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I received the stickers from the printer about 10 minutes ago. It'll take me a day or three to get them all mailed out. ( they came pre-cut rather than in sheets like I thought they would; Big orders of 1000 or more are going to involve some substantial processing time ;) Happy Hunting, -Chris. ______________________________________________________________________________ Christian Douglas Odhner | "The NSA can have my secret key when they pry cdodhner(a)indirect.com | it from my cold, dead, hands... But they shall pgp 2.3 public key by finger | NEVER have the password it's encrypted with!" My opinions are shareware. For a registered copy, send me 15$ in DigiCash. Key fingerprint = 58 62 A2 84 FD 4F 56 38 82 69 6F 08 E4 F1 79 11

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Re: Censorship on cypherpunks
by Will French 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> It's only authoritarianism if the government is involved. > Clearly, the government isn't involved in this matter. Until now, I'd considered the list as a model of a libertarian society, with the listowner as the government. My point is that if a mailing list (where physical force is generally not a factor) can't be run without arbitrary sanctions against members, how could anyone ever hope for a whole society, with a real, gun-toting government, to run that way? Will French <wfrench(a)interport.net>

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Remailer for DOS/Waffle...
by Christian Void 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Just so as not to re-invent the wheel, has anyone coded/kludged together a remailer for Waffle1.65 or DOS? Christian Void /T71 | "I don't like it, and I'm sorry I | VMResearch, Inc. cvoid(a)netcom.COM | ever had anything to do with it." | P.O. Box 170213 Tel. 1+415-807-5491 | -Erwin Schrodinger (1887-1961) | SF, CA 94117 * PGP v2.3a Public Key Available Via Finger *

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USPS key server
by peace＠BIX.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Post from FEDERAL computer week 8/15/94 The US Postal Service said this month it will establish a new electronic commerce service Post from FEDERAL computer week 8/15/94 The US Postal Service said this month it will establish a new electronic commerce service nsure that their electronic transmissions are authentic and tamper proof. Richard Rothwell, senior director of technology integration at USPS, said last week that the service IS BEING TESTED internally by USPS personnel and withiin the FAA. Although many potential hurdles remain, Rothwell said the service may be publically avaiable as early as next year. ...Much more... verrry interesting

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POISONOUS CYPHERPUNK TRAITORS
by an12070＠anon.penet.fi 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

THE CYPHERPUNKS HAVE BEEN POISONED WITH LIES AND HIGH TREACHERY. THOSE WHO DO NOT CONFESS WILL BE EXPOSED. THE FRAUDS AND THE POSEURS WILL BE RUTHLESSLY PUNISHED. IF NECESSARY, ON TALK.POLITICS.CRYPTO OR IN THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- To find out more about the anon service, send mail to help(a)anon.penet.fi. Due to the double-blind, any mail replies to this message will be anonymized, and an anonymous id will be allocated automatically. You have been warned. Please report any problems, inappropriate use etc. to admin(a)anon.penet.fi.

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Introducing digital cash in a MOO, Metaverse
by plaz＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

sameer(a)netcom.com (Sameer Parekh): > I was thinking that metaverse.io.com would be an interesting >ground to implement digital cash, because this MOO seems like a very >commercial-oriented system. I know that Fringe Ware, Inc. has set up >an office in the MOO where once it's up and running will serve >people's requests for information. I have been poking around in Metaverse this last week, (under the handle of "PlasticBeethoven"). I think you are very right about this. They have a whole area reserved for *REAL* business, called Freegate. WIRED, EFF, Fringeware, BoingBoing, and of courese Steve Jackson Games all have virtual offices there. In most cases the offices are just shadows of what they could be. I'm also considering setting up an office there (details may follow once I get it set up). A hobby store has also set up shop, and will allow you to order from them. Billing, alas, is done the old fashioned way. I've noted, that there seems to be a vague interest in dealing with these issues, if it does not represent a tremendous investment of time for them. Also note that Doug Barnes (metaverse: CoffeeMan) and Lloyd Blankenship (metaverse: Mentor), who are both "Wizards", also frequent this list. They are also the very same Austin-Cypherpunks featured in the "Bank of the Internet" thread about Internet Credit Unions. Looks like a possible convergence. > Paco, in his article on Metaverse in the new Fringe Ware >Review, talks about how small start up companies can get offices in >metaverse, if they can't afford (like apple) an ftp site to serve >their customers. > This might be extended to an actual *commerce* system. Someone >could lease a plot of MOO-space, set up a digital bank, issue bank >notes, and users could use these digicash notes to purchase products >at the offices of small companies located in the Metaverse. > Because io.com is a commercial system, it might actually not >be that tough to implement a us-dollars-backed system. I.e.: a >digibank would take actual DOLLARS from users, give them digicash >notes, and users can use the notes to make transactions in MOOspace, >and vendors and users alike may redeem their digicash for us-standard >cash. > In order to deal with the legal issues associated, it might be >easiest for io.com to actually run the digibank, but not necessary. >Personally, I'd prefer a digibank run by a third-party, but I have no >real problem with io.com running the thing. > It certainly seems promising. Well they already have credit card numbers for most of they're users, they could do something like Compuserve's MALL and just set up a system were they bill through connect fees. (At least that's how I thought CI$'s system worked. I haven't used it much.) State banking regulations might prohibit the creation of a bank in the metaverse, if thier customers are all over the world. My $.02, as citizen of the Metaverse. _______________________________________________________________________ Geoff Dale -- insert standard disclaimers here -- plaz(a)netcom.com "We are the shock troops of reality." - Voice of the Friends (Wild Palms)

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Re: your mail Re: on anonymity, identity, reputation, and spoofing
by owen＠autodesk.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> Subject: Re: on anonymity, identity, reputation, and spoofing > From: hfinney(a)shell.portal.com > Comments: Ignore the comment above. > Content-Length: 2979 > X-Lines: 55 > I do sympathize with L. Detweiler's concern about multiple identities. > Human nature being what it is, Considering that human nature allows for pathological behavior in some individuals, and that anonymity seemingly decreases the potential for being held acountable for pathological behavior, I think it follows that it would be unwise NOT to be concerned. > if a series of posts appears quickly taking > one view, people who disagree may think, well, I guess I'm in the minority > on this, I won't make a stink about it. That's just part of the herd > instinct, which, IMO, we all share. The lesson is that it is even more > important on the net not to be afraid to take unpopular stands. You may > find that there are more people who agree with you than you thought. You may also find that such gentile methodology as attempting to sway opinion or unfairly weight ones opinion in order to alter the flow of disscussion are the least you can expect. I bet that clever sociopaths will find ways to leverage anonymity schemes to accomplish mayhem of magnitude well beyond these sort of things. believe me, you don't want to find out by being subjected to such mayhem, and if it happens you will be much harder pressed to come up with ways to patch things than if you take time to try and deal with it now. > There are some possible technological solutions to some of the issues > raised. Chaum, in his 1985 CACM paper, describes how "credentials" can > be exchanged among various pseudonyms a person may have. A credential > can basically be any statement by a 3rd party about a person. It could > be a statement by a college that he had a certain degree. It could be > a statement by a government that he had a driver's license. It could be > a statement by a business that he was an agent for that business. How about *credentials* that certify the capabilities or flag the potential dangers of a binary object. Aren't there schemes out there that hold promise for that sort of *trustworthiness* stamp of approval? Aren't such schemes prone to the potential of cliquish abuse? > The credential would be given to the person, then Chaum shows how it > could be re-blinded and shown under other pseudonyms. The credential > can be verified, but it can't be linked to the True Name or other pseudonyms > of the holder. what are you credentialing? that someone *should* know what they are talking about? even so it would not preclude being burned, psychopaths tend to be very clever? > We could think about using something like this for reputations. Take > Nick's question about how a new pseudonym could get through the filters. > Maybe the person posts under his real name for a while, then some respected > person is willing to give him a "valued poster" credential. He can > re-blind this credential and submit it with posts he starts to make under > his pseudonym. People will know that the pseudonymous poster is at least > potentially capable of making sense, and give his words some weight. But > there will be no connection to his True Name. why not just build your reputation as the psuedo right from the start? > (Of course, this could lead occasionally to a Dr. Jekyll who makes > sensible and weighty posts under his own name, while under his Mr. Hyde > pseudonym he rants and raves. But hopefully this would not happen too > often.) Oh, I don't know anybody who does that sort of thing! :-) do you ? > Other credentials could be related to some of the other points Detweiler > raised, such as list membership > some number of months. The point would > be that these credentials are voluntary, used to get past people's filters, > and that they retain poster anonymity while giving readers useful information > about the poster. If all you'r talking about is mail-list or newsgroup membership, why not just have testing and stringent membership requirements? > It's ironic that L. Detweiler, who has played a major part in spreading > awareness of Cypherpunks technology through his widely read Privacy and > Anonymity FAQ, is suggesting that people should be limited in their > use of this technology. Still, the concerns he raises are going to be > shared by many people, and we should try to be ready with technological > solutions that are consistent with privacy protection. exactly. I don't think it's ironic, I will be disapointed if the cypher-head community doesn't pay attention to the disphoric aspects of the technology it wields. Would you like to be the Edward Teller of cypher ? I don't think so. I want privacy too, and I want as much free-wheeling as possible in the matrix. Personally I think that accountability is going to be required as the price for reasonably secure encryption, reasonably open access, and reasonably secure privacy of data. IMNSHO, it is unreasonable to expect an anarcho-libertarian outcome to these issues. If you can prove me wrong I will be thrilled. The other thing that I am a bit surprized about is the relatively tight focus in this group regarding text. It seems to me that multimedia extensions have an *unfolding of the lotus* like effect upon the issues involved. I also see very little regarding potential for breaking the mind machine link, or biologic interfaces? core technologies are important, but an eye on the future is just as important. LUX ./. owen

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Nickname Nyms
by jamie＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Cypherpunks, Pseudonyms are an everyday occurrence. The net just takes these things a step further. At present, this is a quantitative, not necessarily qualitative, distinction. Many of us have nicknames; some easily derived from True Names (Jim from James) others not so easily derived (Peggy from Margaret). Many athletes have field nicknames, often which change every season, that enable person to person communication on the field of play due to familiarity of calling voice and nym. Opponents (often last year's former teammates) don't know the nym and their chatter used to spoof ("Jamie, on your right!) when the ball is actually on your left is easily filtered. Performers often use nyms because they have a certain cachet: Rock Hudson, Englebert Humperdink, Elton John. Writers use pen names. Reputations are built around some of these names. Communication immediacy works in other instances. And, pseudonymity allows others to go into malls without being mobbed (e.g., well known radio personalities). Three cheers for Zachary Fox and the First Extropian Squirrel. Nyms are part of day to day discourse. -- ................................ Jamie Dinkelacker Palo Alto CA (almost a true name) Jamie(a)netcom.com 415.941.4782

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Re: why anon bank acct?
by roc＠gasco.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

} > However, I think the deeper question is worth considering: what is the } > justification for anonymous bank accounts? } } How about: it's no one's damn business what my acct. number is, that I } have one at all, what bank I use, how much money I have, etc. Indeed. I think I reached critical mass when I discovered that my personal information and demographics were being sold for profit. } > Avoiding taxes just doesn't cut it for me; much as I hate to pay them, } > I recognise the need to do so. } } Need? Need to keep from being arrested or fined, yeah I can see that. True, but avoiding taxes isn't really the point. The point is preserving privacy. You don't have to be contemplating illegal acts to want to keep your affairs private. You may just want to be left the hell alone. Ron -- - "Don't rush a miracle man. You rush a miracle man, you get rotten miracles."

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IRC Servers
by Jeremy Smith 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

As a relative newbie to the Net, I have tried in vain to find an IRC serve that is up and running. Are there any current IRC servers that I could telnet to? Bradenville.andrew.cmu.edu does not exist and neither does santefe.santafe.edu. Those two were given to me as was 131.130.39.27 6668. However, that site does not seem to respond to any login attempts. Frustrated, I turn to the Cypherpunks for help... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jeremy Smith -*jersmit(a)eis.calstate.edu*- My views are my own and nobody else can have them! -----------------------------------------------------------------------------

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