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Re: DES as a stream cipher
by Rick Smith 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

karl(a)geoplex.com ("Karl A. Siil") asks: >As this sounds like a previously solved problem, I wanted to find out about >using DES (or any block cipher) as a stream cipher, i.e., in a manner that >keeps input and output data length equal. I don't want to use a true stream >cipher, as I want to use the same key for multiple messages and stream >ciphers tend to place the bulk of their overhead in the re-key. Since stream >ciphers have "memory," I would have to "re-key" to the same key for each of >my messages. I would rather key something like DES once and run it in CBC >mode or use some other form of IV. The right answer depends on the types of attacks you're interested in countering. The classic reference is probably Voydock and Kent's "Security Mechanisms in High Level Network Protocols," from Computing Surveys in 1983. I think Stallings recently put together collection of paper reprints for IEEE Press that included this one. This paper is particularly nice since they present various streaming modes and then talk about the vulnerabilities associated with them. So it's not crypto algorithms so much as how to use them. Rick. smith(a)sctc.com secure computing corporation

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SHA_dow
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Three US papers report on hardly any intelligence reforms endorsed by Don't Worry, Boys, Clinton in response to the ole-boy Brown's CIA-CYA-all-the-way dark shadowisms. SHA_dow

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[Flatulence] Re: EYE_suk
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Is it just me, or is this sentence funny? > Underscoring the high-level attention the problem is > getting, the field exercise last week included Deputy > Attorney General Jamie S. Gorelick and other senior > officials in Washington, with Gore's staff getting a daily > briefing. Cheers, Bob Hettinga ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "If they could 'just pass a few more laws', we would all be criminals." --Vinnie Moscaritolo The e$ Home Page: http://thumper.vmeng.com/pub/rah/

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Re: 5th protect password?
by Sandy Sandfort 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ SANDY SANDFORT ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ C'punks, At 07:58 AM 4/23/96 -0700, James Donald wrote: >Yeah: fifty thousand dollars. >Not that it makes the slightest difference. > >On the extropians list a number of very large bets were made and >accepted, but nobody ever paid up. (Or very few -- I know of no >cases.) As much as I like the Extropians, personally, they haven't got a clue how to implement practical social systems. It is trivial to set up a wagering system that works--and you don't need all the "polycentric" blah blah. >Now if Unicorn had proposed a bet for one hundred dollars, then >I would sit up and take notice. A hundred dollars is real money. >Fifty thousand dollars is hot air... a) I proposed that a bet of $100 which Jim Bell ignored. That should have made you sit up and take notice. b) Unicorn has the 50Gs and I'm confident he would have paid up if necessary. >... Anybody who was serious about paying >would not make such ridiculous bets. This is a non-sequitor. Anyone serious about winning WOULD make such a bet. Do you really think that a legal scholar as good as Unicorn would just shoot from the hip without knowing he had it in the bag? S a n d y ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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Re: 5th protect password?
by jamesd＠echeque.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 06:19 AM 4/23/96 -0700, Sandy Sandfort wrote: > didn't Unicorn offer Mr. Bell a > wager on this issue? Isn't the ball in Mr. Bell's court to put > his money where his mouth is? Yeah: fifty thousand dollars. Not that it makes the slightest difference. On the extropians list a number of very large bets were made and accepted, but nobody ever paid up. (Or very few -- I know of no cases.) When somebody proposes a bet that is substantially larger than the likely cost to his reputation if he weasels out, one can expect that, if he erred, he will not pay. Now if Unicorn had proposed a bet for one hundred dollars, then I would sit up and take notice. A hundred dollars is real money. Fifty thousand dollars is hot air, like one kid says, "I bet you I am right", and the other kid says "I bet you a zillion dollars you are wrong". If somebody proposes a bet that is larger than the likely reputation cost of weaseling, we should ignore the bet and subtract from the guys reputation as if he had already weaseled, since the events of the extropian list show that that is the most likely outcome. All of us have been wrong from time to time on matters where we were sure we were right. Anybody who was serious about paying would not make such ridiculous bets. --------------------------------------------------------------------- | We have the right to defend ourselves | http://www.jim.com/jamesd/ and our property, because of the kind | of animals that we are. True law | James A. Donald derives from this right, not from the | arbitrary power of the state. | jamesd(a)echeque.com

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Majordomo patch will be available
by E. ALLEN SMITH 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Here's the information on the majordomo patch to do the confirmation: >Allen, the patch to do this that you asked about is gonna be distributed as >part of the new majordomo beta, and will be freely available. -Allen

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Returned mail: User unknown (fwd)
by Moroni 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 15:24:36 -0400 From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <MAILER-DAEMON(a)locrian.scranton.com> To: moroni(a)locrian.scranton.com Subject: Returned mail: User unknown The original message was received at Tue, 23 Apr 1996 15:24:33 -0400 from moroni@localhost ----- The following addresses had delivery problems ----- tc(a)scranton.com (unrecoverable error) X(a)scranton.com (unrecoverable error) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- ... while talking to lydian.scranton.com.: >>> RCPT To:<X(a)scranton.com> <<< 550 <X(a)scranton.com>... User unknown 550 X(a)scranton.com... User unknown >>> RCPT To:<tc(a)scranton.com> <<< 550 <tc(a)scranton.com>... User unknown 550 tc(a)scranton.com... User unknown ----- Original message follows ----- To: tc(a)scranton.com Subject: Returned mail: warning: cannot send message for 4 hours (fwd) From: Moroni <moroni(a)scranton.com> Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 15:24:33 -0400 (EDT) cc: X(a)scranton.com ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 14:57:32 -0400 From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <MAILER-DAEMON(a)locrian.scranton.com> To: moroni(a)locrian.scranton.com Subject: Returned mail: warning: cannot send message for 4 hours ********************************************** ** THIS IS A WARNING MESSAGE ONLY ** ** YOU DO NOT NEED TO RESEND YOUR MESSAGE ** ********************************************** The original message was received at Tue, 23 Apr 1996 10:44:18 -0400 from moroni@localhost ----- The following addresses had delivery problems ----- tcmay(a)got.net (transient failure) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- tcmay(a)got.net... Deferred: Connection refused by mail.got.net. Warning: message still undelivered after 4 hours Will keep trying until message is 5 days old ----- Original message follows ----- To: tcmay(a)got.net Subject: huh no mail From: Moroni <moroni(a)scranton.com> Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 10:44:16 -0400 (EDT) Tim, I m not getting the mailing list for cypherpunks . This is the second no third time that I know about where entire lists have disappearedon me. One was religoius , but I wrote that off as them not liking my handle. Then I got a notice from the nueron digest that my mail was bouncing back to them and that they were cancelling my sub. That was ok too as I wasn't THAT interested in them .Now my beloved Cypherpunks is not being deliverd to my door(computer)and that hurt (even with the flaming and noise). Have I been left off because I get too much mail to my provider?Is it because I have recently only lurked and added nothing of worth? Anything else? Thanks in Advance moroni

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crypto in .ja (fwd)
by David Lesher 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: X-URL: http://www.us.net/~steptoe/276915.htm > Emerging Japanese Encryption Policy > > By Stewart A. Baker {} > Summary: The emerging Japanese consensus on cryptography This is worth reading for what it says about the US policy, if indirectly. -- A host is a host from coast to coast.................wb8foz(a)nrk.com & no one will talk to a host that's close........[v].(301) 56-LINUX Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433 is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433

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Re: [NOISE] Re: Nazis on the Net
by E. ALLEN SMITH 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: IN%"richieb(a)teleport.com" "Rich Burroughs" 23-APR-1996 14:15:55.60 >In July, 1986, Fadeley attended the World Aryan Congress at Hayden Lake, >Idaho. During this assembly, Fadeley was introduced to Weaver, who was at >that time of no particular investigative significance to BATF.[FN25]" >Weaver may have just been attending the World Aryan Nations Congress for the >beer and chicks... Yes. For instance, I am a member of the Extropy Institute - but I'm _not_ an anarcho-capitalist, even though that's one of the things that the Institute stands for. >Portions of the report are online at >http://isdn33.eng.uc.edu/~rabagley/ruby/ruby.toc.html However, one reference in this report to Weaver's calling for a meeting to oppose the "Zionist Occupation Government" does provide an argument for calling him a racist of the anti-Semitic variety. On the other hand, the only person claiming this is the FBI's informant; the truth of his statements has been called into doubt. So far as I can tell, it's uncertain. -Allen

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Re: CO$
by Jim Byrd 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 03:21 PM 4/23/96 -0400, Scott Binkley wrote: >Hi, lately we have had numerous threads on the CO$, and its threats to >remailers, and the such, I am quite interested >in the discussions regarding the cult, and want to know if anyone out >there knows of a mailing list that deals with it that I can join. There's no particular mailing list, but there is a very active discussion group at alt.religion.scientology. There are numerous web pages, a good place to start is http://www.cybercom.net/~rnewman/scientology/home.html. It has pointers to many other pages. Also, many of the critics (including several who have been raided, sued, or threatened) show up on IRC channel #scientology. Be careful of what you post in alt.religion.scientology, or the cult could start emailing threats to you too.

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