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Re: Comments on MicroPayments and the Web
by Hal 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: "Mark M." <markm(a)voicenet.com> > I think it would be interesting to see how copyright law will be applied to the > Web if micropayments ever become popular. Would memory or disk caching be > considered fair use? If so, then people could just set up a very large disk > cache and maybe delete it every month or so. It would also be a pretty neat > hack to use a proxy that only cached pages that charged micropayments. > Companies would not make a lot of money from things like this. If disk caching > was not considered to be fair use, people would still turn it on anyway. Where does the money come from to run this proxy? Consider two sites, one which acts as a proxy and cache but which charges something under a penny per page, and another which acts for free. Won't the for-pay site be able to afford a larger disk, more servers, and better net connections? It will be a superior service. Micropayments will allow new services and improved quality over what we have today where we have to rely on charity and advertising as motivations for much of what we find on the web. Hal

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Re: PBS show
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 03:55 AM 6/14/96 +0000, jonathon wrote: >> And by refusing to build Masatoshi (?) Shima's design for the Z-80, they > > The number one selling computer with a Z-80 chip inside was > also the number one computer platform which ran CP/M which was > The Apple 2e. > > << Yes, the Z-870 chip was a third party add on. >> Two things: 1. Eventually, that claim might have been true. But that's just because there were a large number of smaller-volume CP/M computers such as Altair, IMSAI, CROMEMCO, Northstar, Kaypro, Godbout, Morrow, Heath/Zenith, and numerous others, as well as TRS-80' (Models I, II, and II; most of which ran TRSDOS instead of CPM) which cumulatively added up to a number vastly larger than Apple-II/Z-80 installations. And I don't want to leave out the "Big Board" Z-80 computer, which put everything on a single large PCB, which was about a 1980 product. Or, for that matter, Sinclair's ZX-80 (?) 2. If anything, the popularity of the Z-80 processor for the Apple revealed just how bad the 6502 and associated Apple software was. People don't generally change (add-in) microprocessors if they're satisfied with the underlying computer and available software. In fact, it's even worse, because the one advantage of the Apple was its color display, while none of the CP/M software being run on the Z-80 card in the Apple knew about color. Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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Re: PBS show
by Blake Wehlage 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>WELllllll Id hate to say.... but after coming across A LOT of different users >from both systems.. It has seemed to me that... IN GENERAL, Mac users are >more computer 'illiterate' seeing as the mac's ease of use. Fine for the >everyday person... but not for me. >Secondly.....as far os the computers software are concerned...... Not much >beats winNT => windows=> PC >THe chips arent 'too' much different. and that leaves me to say..... There's >more PC's out there... which seeing as whats presented..... Leads me to >thinks PC's are 'better' in my eyes. >So... how baout those mets? > > Well I am now using a PC, I use a MAc for programming and both for networking& the internet. So as usual I am plastered as a 13 year old "computer illiterate" thanks real big confidence booster. I love my pc & my mac, I also love my Apple II it showed me the way of programming (first with basic), now I program in C and C++. Oh yea I guess I'm still computer illiterate. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Blake "Pokey" Wehlage Age-13 Gaa- 3.69 (for ice hockey goalie) <jwilk(a)iglou.com> My page- http://www.iglou.com/members/jwilk.html Quote- Does whiskey count as beer? -Homer Simpson

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Re:
by Blake Wehlage 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 09:33 AM 6/15/96 -0400, Michael Camp wrote: > >I just subscribed and what the hey is pgp. Pretty good privacy? > > >-Think global, act local, recycle! >Michael Camp >a037716t(a)bcfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us > > > > Good thinking swiffty Blake Wehlage <jwilk(a)iglou.com> URL: http://www.iglou.com/members/jwilk.html "World's Youngest Cypherpunk" Age 13

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Zimmerman/Viacrypt
by Edgar Swank 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Steve Reid recently posted (and sent me an Email copy - thanks Steve), > Phil disagrees with ViaCrypts new "business" version of PGP which > apparently encrypts all messages with an employer-supplied public key > in addition to any specified by the employee. Looking at Denning's critique (pro-escrow rant) of the NCR crypto report, she mentioned that mutant version: [http://www.cosc.georgetown.edu/~denning/crypto/NRC.txt] "Other corporations are similarly adopting products with data recovery capabilities as they integrate encryption into their systems (even PGP comes with data recovery in Viacrypt's Business Edition)." IMHO Phil Zimmerman has good reason to object to the mutant version, if it's going to cause the PGP name to somehow endorse escrow. Denning is being disengenuous (so what's new). There's a big difference between voluntary, not-government-sponsored "escrow" like the type in the "business version" of ViaCrypt, and what Denning and her friends in the government TLA's want. Seems to me an employer has a perfect right to monitor his employee's work product, for which he's being paid a salary and using the employer's equipment (like business PGP). If the employee doesn't like it, he's free to seek employment elsewhere (or start his own business). Or he's free to encrypt all his personal Email at home with a personal copy of ViaCrypt or a copy of free PGP. -- edgar(a)Garg.Campbell.CA.US (Edgar Swank) The Land of Garg BBS -- +1 408 378-5108

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pretty good reputation
by Vipul Ved Prakash 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

a pretty good detour. by what i understand pgp's "web of trust" scheme has flaws. according to pgp (alice trusts jane, jane trusts snoopy, bob trusts alice) implies bob trusts snoopy. this means that alice trusts jane to the extent, that if jane trusts a third person, then a fourth person who trusts alice automatically trusts that third person. deducing such results from a simple shades of trust system cannot lead to a reliable web of trust. thats common sense. what is required is a reputation system wherein trust is _qualified_ rather than _quantified_. its senseless to say i trust him five units. it will be more appropriate if pgp has a separate tag for "type of trust" or something like that. this kind of thing can be difficult to handle, since it a fuzzy parameter. add to the problem a global-system like internet where all communication is not person to person. i was wondering if there are any working mathematical models for reputation systems, and how successful they are. vipul ved prakash

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Re: doubleclick monitoring web browsing habits
by Deranged Mutant 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On 14 Jun 96 at 14:26, Hal wrote: > When I run lynx (2.3.7 beta) to <URL: > http://www.anonymizer.com/cgi-bin/snoop.pl >, it says: > > Here's a sampling of the kind of information that a site can collect > on you (please wait a moment): > Your computer is a Unix box. > Your Internet browser is Lynx. > You are coming from jobe.shell.portal.com. > You just visited the Anonymizer Home Page. > > No user name here. I visited there from Netscape. Didn't give my user name but apparently said "You are affiliated with ASB Internet, Inc. ..." and then displayed a bunch of advertising info by ISP puts out. An amusing thought: fill the personal info fields with business advertisements. Perhaps people who surf the web regularly can sell advertising space. (insert smiling emoticon here) > Also, when I follow a mailto: link it asks me to input the email address > I want the mail to be from! So I don't think it is using local user name > information, although certainly that is potentially available to it. Have you tried mailing yourself by putting something else in there? I remember trying that and seeing from the headers that I sent it (the usual "Received by ..." username -> machine paths.) Of course that was on a University's computer system, so they may have patched the sources. Rob --- No-frills sig. Befriend my mail filter by sending a message with the subject "send help" Key-ID: 5D3F2E99 1996/04/22 wlkngowl(a)unix.asb.com (root@magneto) AB1F4831 1993/05/10 Deranged Mutant <wlkngowl(a)unix.asb.com> Send a message with the subject "send pgp-key" for a copy of my key.

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Re: pretty good reputation
by Deranged Mutant 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On 15 Jun 96 at 13:09, Hal wrote: [..] > There was considerable discussion in the design of PGP's key signatures > on this issue, and Phil decided against trying to let people express > publicly how much they trust others. Among other things, he was afraid > that people would feel compelled to lie for social reasons, leading to > inaccurate trust estimates and weak key validations. Good point. Any system with multi-valued or yes/no signatures becomes unresolvable in a web, making these values useless beyond an order or one or two levels. We've argued about this before on the list... Another interesting point, though: feature creep. Something like that may be another intimidating factor that turns people off from PGP. Rob --- No-frills sig. Befriend my mail filter by sending a message with the subject "send help" Key-ID: 5D3F2E99 1996/04/22 wlkngowl(a)unix.asb.com (root@magneto) AB1F4831 1993/05/10 Deranged Mutant <wlkngowl(a)unix.asb.com> Send a message with the subject "send pgp-key" for a copy of my key.

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The Molson Great Web Anonymizer
by Damien Lucifer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Actually, they call it the Molson Web Canadianizer, but it looks like an anonymizer to me. You give it a URL and the Canadianizer grabs the URL and adds some funny canadian modifications to the page, and sends it back to you. It changes all the links to link through the canadianizer, also, which is convenient. This page originally allowed you to specify a url, but now it seems they only allow you to click and grab a random page. Specifying the address to connect to in your browser will solve this though.. Heres the URL: http://www.molson.com/cgi-bin/cize?url=http://www.your.site.com/the/url

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Re: More info on this?
by jya＠pipeline.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>> Lexis-Nexis, one of the nation's leading private >> information brokers, has discontinued a new online >> offering that provided access to >> millions of individuals' Social Security numbers, after an >> onslaught of complaints from customers and the credit >> information bureau that originally supplied the data. An article in The NYT Sunday on criminal misuse of stolen and sold SS numbers says: "Such trade in information is legal, and regulation is difficult, perhaps even more so since a Federal appeals court ruling last week struck down restrictions and defended the 'chaos and cacophony of the unfettered speech' on the new medium." "The freedom for market aggression is a wisely hidden by the freedom to argue." -- Wealth Through Capitalist Anarchy: Friedman's First Amendment

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