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Re: cute.
by Mix 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Amad3us wrote: >Matthew Nuckolls says >> What's the point in distribuing your public key through the same >> channels as a signature? Kinda defeats the purpose. > >The purpose is to create a persistent nym. The signature, and public >key ensures that you know that this message is from the same person >as you were attempting to nit pick :-] It has been my experience that it is more fun to operate a persistent identity than to post unsigned and unverifiable messages. Providing the key is at least a convenience for people who don't have it already - it saved me a trip to the key server. >> I can't verify that the given public key is indeed yours, since >> you're anonymous. > >True. So it's only as good as the keys you might fetch from a >keyserver that you have no connection to in the web of trust. > >You aren't supposed to link it to my True Name. > >All that can be done is to get a signature from a timestamp server, >and a signature from Bill Stewart's nym key signing service. What would be really nice is if the mailing list machines time stamped messages. There was a discussion a little while ago suggesting that toad.com had been compromised by people who were sowing dissension by partially distributing certain messages. Had toad signed all of its messages, it would be possible to obtain evidence supporting this hypothesis without relying entirely on the word of people we may not know. Had somebody compromised toad, they would still have to correctly sign messages. Later it would have been possible to prove this had occurred by comparing messages and signatures. This would also prevent an attack where somebody forges mail from a cypherpunks list machine to flush out identities. If the attacker sends a unique message to every person, he or she will be able to break an identity if the message is replied to on the list. >This is important because it prevents someone else from generating more >keys with the same userID, such as happened with Tim May's blacknet key. >The only protection I have against that is the public record of my key >being posted to cypherpunks. The http://infinity.nus.sg/cypherpunks/ >archive helps as a public record of first publishing of a key with this >userID. I'm not sure a timestamp matters that much for "authenticating" your key. After all, you don't own "Amad3us", you own key 0x4D162BBE1. If another "Amad3us" shows up, what matters if their string of posts are worth reading, not whether they borrowed your handle. It would cause confusion, but since the cypherpunks are so good at slinging bits, we should be able to handle this. It might even have an advantage: reporters and secret police types will have a harder time dealing with the cypherpunks without adopting some of our technology and ideas and sharing them with others. Monty Cantsin Editor in Chief Smile Magazine http://www.neoism.org/squares/smile_index.html http://www.neoism.org/squares/cantsin_10.htm -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBNFu/fZaWtjSmRH/5AQGSdAf8DdZj05c4/WS/V9YF/o1lZ9W7/5vGlTDf mvU8nFPNT4TB9eha7UW/Ub2xaUI4TneBrWrIwXTeEqo1slUbzmShneeUoUlKMEho +PlrA8NjQhh/QRwMXsVUp4vtoV3oDUbCTRLE8PWIikC7Rpo92UocujfFhsey3Ewu /SCA/TrkjVO8efeR4H6GOBnVWd/+4YigLPtZhP6QzlKjf3Soq5OJNfVlHA3ci+3a UgbM+IQ/OTTkXMVbya60veWrN6/Njo/66D0EyUuHB5/bUHkFIjnWaz1DSG8g0vJq XfFNOusz9Dkrhz0gearv/fbRb93GxXRejTK/Jo9sMJta8pWAm4d1Yg== =5Loi -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Free Market Anarchy (Beck's Folly) - Fundamental flaw
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The fundamental flaw with the justification of a Free Market Anarchy and also the fundamental condemnation of Democracy is that of taxation. However, the theory of democracy does not in any way address the issues of taxation, only how laws are made and what the boundaries on those laws are. In fact, until about the first third of this century there was NO personal taxation in this country at the federal level. Clear prima facia , and to use Beck's verbage 'real', evidence that the assertion that personal taxation and democracy are irrevocably wedded. Ask yourself, why is it that no free market anarchist *ever* mentions commenality in humanity? Why do their have inherent and implicit in their systems a class structure? They would have you believe this is natural, it is not. Class structures are reflections of the beliefs of the people, not some fundamental law of nature. Furhermore, Free Market Anarchy does not address the issues of protection from abuse. It does not recognize in any manner any mechanism for redress of grievances unless you happen to be one of the few who controls the wealth. It further assumes that those who don't have wealth will willingly take this station in life as a given and simply work for those who do have wealth and accept without resentment that they will forever be denied any sort of opportunity to change their station in life except at the whim of the power brokers. It further does not in any way address issues of life, liberty, or pursuits of happines - only monetary wealth. It is clear that having wealth does not in any manner guarantee any sort of empathy for others in the holder. If anthing, history demonstrates that such 'lords of wealth' are pragmatic about collecting wealth to the point of predation. This argument from the specific to the general is fundamentaly flawed and the conclusion suffers because of it. Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely. How that power is obtained, by vote or specie, is irrelevant as clearly shown by history. Some hold that the majority of the populace suffer taxation at the point of a gun. This assertion is also false. There have historicaly been several political parties which have promised to eliminate personal taxation. In every case those parties could not control more than a truly minimal percentage of the vote. Yes, people say taxation is too high, they do not hold the assertion that taxes should be completely eliminated. Free Market Anarchies are doomed to the same sort of death, and if ever implimented the same sorts of abuse, as all other non-democratic systems. Also, recognize that those who support such systems have a set of commen character flaws. First, they can't differentiate the implimentation from the theory of political systems. They would have you believe that if a given implimentation of a system is flawed or broken than all systems of that ilk are then broken or flawed. Clearly history does not support such assertions. In short, they would throw the baby out with the bathwater. Secondly, these in general are the sorts of people who find glee when they see a polic officer run over in the street. Do you seriously believe that anyone this cold and uncarring would not hesitate for an instant in putting pepper spray in your eyes? Thirdly, they express a view which I call Theory X equality. In short, as long as they are the ones making the profit, the fact that you suffer for it, justly or not, is irrelevant and justified. In more prosaic words, the ends *always* justifies the means. An assertion that history also does not support. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there | | be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. | | | | -Alan Greenspan- | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Re: FCPUNX:PGP Employee on MKR
by James A. Donald 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 05:02 PM 10/30/97 GMT, Adam Back wrote: > Even if you were to use CMR, it is dumb, dumb, dumb, to allow the > snoop key to remain after the message has passed the enforcer -- it > should strip it off on the way out. Unless, of course, the real intention of CMR is GMR. --------------------------------------------------------------------- | We have the right to defend ourselves | http://www.jim.com/jamesd/ and our property, because of the kind | of animals that we are. True law | James A. Donald derives from this right, not from the | arbitrary power of the state. | jamesd(a)echeque.com

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What I've been up to
by Lucky Green 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 As some of you may know, I have been working on a skunk works project to further knowledge about smartcards and add smartcard support to crypto applications. While the latter isn't nearly ready for release, the former has resulted in a number of tools some on this list should find useful. Namely, we have a truly universal smartcard reader and software. Unlike the proprietary protocol garbage the smartcard vendors will sell you for lots of cash together with their overpriced toolkits, our reader uses only ISO standards and can handle *any* smartcard. In addition, we developed drivers and fully-automated scanning software for UNIX and Win32. If you don't get results just by typing "scan", then whatever you inserted isn't a smartcard. :-) At this time, we need sample smartcards and documentation. Anonymous donations of both is encouraged. For more information, please see https://www.cypherpunks.to/ All questions/offers should be directed to scard-admin(a)cypherpunks.to - -- Lucky Green <shamrock(a)cypherpunks.to> PGP encrypted email preferred. "Tonga? Where the hell is Tonga? They have Cypherpunks there?" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 5.0i for non-commercial use Charset: noconv iQA/AwUBNFwSMvXUPTw3WtkkEQLSZQCg8EVW2bprGr4E21W8Qg6EELc9+gcAoMdZ 6LbtU7WCfpfsYPi+Gj4l5ecX =5Bi8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Japan's Constitution and GAK
by Adam Shostack 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Does someone have access to a verificable copy of Japan's Constitution? Someone pointed me to one on the web, which would seem to make difficult implemmenting international GAK systems. http://www.leftjustified.com/leftjust/lib/sc/ht/wtp/japan.html Article 21. Freedom of assembly and association as well as speech, press and all other forms of expression are guaranteed. No censorship shall be maintained, nor shall the secrecy of any means of communication be violated. -- "It is seldom that liberty of any kind is lost all at once." -Hume

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ANNOUNCE: pgp5-pine 0.1
by Jeremey Barrett 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 This is to announce version 0.1 of pgp5-pine, a set of shell (sh) scripts for integrating pgp 5.x for unix into the pine mail reader. The scripts operate via pine's facility for filters, both incoming and outgoing. You can encrypt, decrypt, sign, and verify messages with some ease. The send filter will automagically retrieve keys from a keyserver if told to do so, and leans toward paranoia when it cannot encrypt a message. This is the first released version, there is always the possibility of bugs and/or behaviors you don't agree with. Note that these scripts do _not_ handle PGP/MIME, as pine does not pass the MIME structure of messages to filters. For more information, see https://www.cypherpunks.to/ Disclaimer: I am not responsible for the choice of colors on the cypherpunks.to web site, or any damage to anything yours from using this code. Please direct all bug reports, requests, or other inquiries to jeremey(a)cypherpunks.to Regards, Jeremey. - -- Jeremey Barrett jeremey(a)cypherpunks.to -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 5.0i for non-commercial use Charset: noconv iQA/AwUBNFxJmILSRssP+J/GEQKHEwCg8v+wYCumDIpYhow4+vh/bVfYploAoOkh XWe+IJGVTEj9dAFECSGuD259 =CmDv -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Japan's Constitution and GAK (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > From: Adam Shostack <adam(a)homeport.org> > Subject: Japan's Constitution and GAK > Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 02:16:36 -0500 (EST) > Does someone have access to a verificable copy of Japan's > Constitution? Someone pointed me to one on the web, which would seem > to make difficult implemmenting international GAK systems. > > http://www.leftjustified.com/leftjust/lib/sc/ht/wtp/japan.html > > Article 21. Freedom of assembly and association as well as speech, > press and all other forms of expression are guaranteed. No censorship > shall be maintained, nor shall the secrecy of any means of > communication be violated. It also outlaws secret or under-cover police such as the Kempetei (or however you spell it, too lazy to look it up). ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there | | be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. | | | | -Alan Greenspan- | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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auto signing messages Re: perl from Amad3us
by Antonomasia 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> #!/usr/local/bin/perl > $userID="cypherpunks\(a)algebra.com"; > $pgp="/usr/local/bin/pgp"; > $tmp="/tmp/.sig$$"; > undef($/); > $post = <STDIN>; > ($headers,@body) = split(/\n\n/,$post);$body = join("\n\n",@body); > open(PIPE,"|$pgp -satf +batchmode +verbose=0 -u $userID > $tmp"); Real paranoiacs don't put temporary files in world-writeable directories. If a hostile user symlinks your majordomo binary (or something) to /tmp/.sig999 you're going to overwrite it with garbage. A single purpose directory /tmp/mdsig writeable only by the list account 'majordom' would be my preference. (Correct owner and mode for this directory and parents could be checked by the perl script before it decides to write there.) -- ############################################################## # Antonomasia ant(a)notatla.demon.co.uk # # See http://www.notatla.demon.co.uk/ # ##############################################################

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Re: democracy?! (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 19:55:02 -0800 > From: Steve Schear <azur(a)netcom.com> > Subject: Re: democracy?! (fwd) > >If it's so damn good how come it doesn't exist anymore? If it provided such > >a superior governmental system providing the maximum return on investment > >why did it go away? Why did they instead elect to go with a king? Futher, > >explain how such an anarchic system can be expanded without demonstrating > >the exact same sorts of scaling problems consensual democracies such as > >ancient Greek ran into? It's one thing to rule a few 10's of thousands of > >people who are related, share world-models and have limited resources and > >quite another to rule 4+ Billion people who speak hundreds if not thousands > >of languages and concommittent cultural beliefs? > > So, a solution is to encourage (e.g., through technological means) the > break-up of nation-states into smaller geo-political groupings. Technological, societal, political, religous, whatever non-confrontational (ie avoid the use of force unless physicaly attacked) mechanism that is present in human societies. Exactly! See that is the aspect of our democracy that so few people seem to understand. The relationship between the fed's and the states is supposed to be as equals. If the fed's want to do something they have to get a lot of the states to go along with it or else they don't get the resources. The states can't get too far out of line because of their ability to represent the other n-1 states. The problem now, fundamentaly to my view, is that the states are seen as chatels or sub-servient to the fed's. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there | | be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. | | | | -Alan Greenspan- | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Encryption Politics (was Re: "Dear Newt" Letter...)
by liberty＠gate.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Phill <hallam(a)w3.org> wrote: <snip + slight reformat> >If you make it a party issue you will not only lose but risk turning the >clock the other way. At the moment everyone knows that the export control >laws are not stopping people from getting PGP. It is not a good idea to >rub peoples noses in it. Why not? It gets the issue talked about when it otherwise wouldn't be. The cypherpunks are the Dr. Kevorkians of stupid US export laws. >It is easy to ignore export violations by turning a blind eye. It is >difficult to turn a blind eye when people are so anxious to announce what >is going on. Exactly. I plan to go to the Nandotimes article at URL http://www2.nando.net/newsroom/ntn/info/info429_4.html and see what it looks like with a few substitutions like "cars," "highways," and "doorlocks" for words like "encode" or "encrypt." Sarcasm is often the last refuge libertarians have in these humor-impaired times, but it keeps me sane. :) >Phil Z. is not having problems because he wrote PGP, he >is having problems because he made sure the FBI couldn't pretend they >did not know what was going on. Well, not exactly. I believe from what I've seen here before that it was Kelly Goen(sp?) who did this. Of course, I've advocated everyone taking legal responsibility for Kelly's actions as a kind of protest against creeping Naziism in "our" government (see my "An Old Idea" post, buried somewhere in the c-punk archives). >If you make encryption a party issue then one of those Grassley bills >will pass and the President in power may not veto it. Encryption _IS_ a party issue, and quite possibly an effective one if we used it correctly, for the *Libertarian* Party! The actions of both "major" parties would have been [IMO] bad PR if the media decided to do their jobs (I know, big "if"). There is, of course, institutional L. party resistance to putting the individual right to strong encryption on the "front burner" because our "generals," despite a consistent record of losing battles, insist on fighting the last war (that is, when we aren't busy fighting eachother). <sigh> JMR [Who takes this opportunity to remind SO FL cypherpunks of the party at 7:30PM on Wed. Nov. 29th.] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Freedom isn't Freeh. iQCVAwUBMLMw9m1lp8bpvW01AQEYggP/R/2nI8TurElr/c1haz6XNzWhUjVxZXtG bQRs9FkHX54300G5tYW1BSe37eQ+5AT6LyjjljLdtx4nYKUSDRUHqYCs/qQkspOU jFxfTAV8TOwMaopL4odBfgDeBVBhXRcjtsYu2rQ6WFF759TCTVYpxjhr7B8JDnR8 LoTFhEBAdTk= =wBjX -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Regards, Jim Ray -- http://www.shopmiami.com/prs/jimray "This year will go down in history, for the first time a civilized nation has full gun registration! Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead in the future." -- Adolf Hitler, 1935 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- PGP key Fingerprint 51 5D A2 C3 92 2C 56 BE 53 2D 9C A1 B3 50 C9 C8 Key id. # E9BD6D35 (key on page & servers) <liberty(a)gate.net> IANAL ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Help Phil! email zldf(a)clark.net or http://www.netresponse.com/zldf _______________________________________________________________________

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