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Re: Metcalf and Other Net.Fogies
by jya＠pipeline.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Sep 05, 1996 10:27:34, 'tcmay(a)got.net (Timothy C. May)' wrote: Tim's right on the "old fogies." Providing you make the cut off at about 50-55. After that you get retro-infantiles like me (at 61) who have fallen head over heels for the Internet, and are absolutely fed up with being "mature-and-responsible" -- that truly sucks, sucks, sucks. Elsewhere in my field (architecture) I get accused by 40-55 year-olds of trying to brainwash the under-30s. You bet I am, to warn them off the "mature" assholes who think their warped experience is the best teacher, when in fact all it teaches is how to be bent out of shape, and how to project and promote that distortion as the definition of reality. That crippling narrow vision passes at about 50-55 when you realize that you don't know shit, never did and never will. Every fails, in the end, well before The End. So what. Laugh, don't go hurt somebody. Yep, self-deception is the certain sign of maturity, get used to it, it's as unavoidable as the wars mature folks, fearing mortality, wage to kill the helplessness in themselves. Still, I admire the ingenuity of under-30s and over 55s who can trick the middling-matures into serving us, keeping us clothed and sheltered -- and entertained at their pompous fatuities. Don't trust anyone between 30 and 55, especially those nuts with a Solution for The Problem They've Dreamed Up.

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FW: Anonymous phone calls (was: What is the EFF doing exa...
by jbugden＠smtplink.alis.ca 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Subject: FW: Anonymous phone calls (was: What is the EFF doing exactly?) There is another spin possible on the reasons for replacement of pay phones with credit card phones. In Canada all new credit card phones are also able to take phone cards (which are anonymous). Using a prepaid phone card permits full anonymity. But what it also permits is metered local calls. This infrastructure would be more familiar to someone from Europe where metered local calls are the norm. Paris made the change to phones that *only* take prepaid phone cards (thus fully anonymous) obstensibly because people were breaking into phones for the money. Prepaid phone cards avoid this as well as collection costs. James Why should my long distance calling subsidize your local internet access? ;-) ---------- From: "<pstira(a)escape.com>" <pstira(a)escape.com> Sent: Friday, September 06, 1996 9:54 AM To: unicorn(a)schloss.li Cc: vznuri(a)netcom.com; cypherpunks(a)toad.com Subject: Re: What is the EFF doing exactly? Not just DC and Chicago, I'm afraid. If anyone around NYC noticed, there are less and less payphones, and all new ones installed, just about, are those yellow credit card phones. Not all of them, but it's now one for one, at least.

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Cypherpunk meeting?
by paul＠fatmans.demon.co.uk 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hi all, I`m just dashing off a quick note to see how many south eastern UK cypherpunks there are here, preferably in the sussex area, I might organise a meet if we can get enough people to make it worthwhile mail me if you are an experienced cryptographer in the area and would be interested in attending an informal meeting for key signing, discussion and copious beer.... ;-) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3ia Charset: cp850 iQCVAwUBMi7qLb5OPIRbv66xAQGGqQP/cJI2sWgCc0cR8jlTDbCv0W2hklW5++7K oO23Qs7sxNQziK1lcEzIKX1kbQIng/apR4FEEhWggS+Bvadx3NNpW46BdHTI7IfZ rjE8M4K0EtYcDUZmsAG0pV70b8XKu+v/dogu/BlIFwAUCwR2ocDeIbW88tBXq4ok dcffJFY2Q4Q= =PCNL -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Datacomms Technologies web authoring and data security Paul Bradley, Paul(a)fatmans.demon.co.uk Http://www.fatmans.demon.co.uk/crypt/ "Don`t forget to mount a scratch monkey" -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6 mQCNAjH9j+cAAAEEAMBvREiQR0ot9dFCO0TiSCSunAYLv2g1Bc6I3bz8FzKXNH53 6mieJf/W4rD+CxJpT0q9RQaaoRtkHJLwbjfK2il3D7mEahMAyqvF/xRJNqkXfhM3 sRJM0Jh43l+W0M5vwokbEbk25/bxWWGspTsLD3YHbzKnG6pOcL5OPIRbv66xAAUR tCdQYXVsIEJyYWRsZXkgPHBhdWxAZmF0bWFucy5kZW1vbi5jby51az4= =riHc -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----

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Re: What is the EFF doing exactly?
by mccoy＠communities.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

wb8foz(a)nrk.com writes: > > So switch to Fedex. The P.O. gives lousy service anyway. Privitize. > > > > Try & mail an anonymous FedEx package. Just lie on the sender label, isn't that obvious? I know people who actually use "codeword" sender labels, in case FedEx or federales ask about a package they can tell by the sender mentioned which to disavow :) > Try and pay cash in most Fedex offices. I always do and as long as I have exact change I have never been hassled. jim

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Re: Race Bit: C
by Jean-Francois Avon 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On 6 Sep 96 at 10:50, jim bell wrote: > Since red liquid running in the streets is generally so reviled, one > of the things which mystifies me is why there aren't more > simulation-type programs used to test out hypotheticals, for example > a "SimEconomy." For example, you'll occasionally hear about a > media news organization gathering a dozen or so volunteers in a > room, and asking them to solve a problem like "The Budget Deficit" > or some such. The result of their interplay is generally used to > explain why these problems are hard to solve. Why do you suppose that solving the problem they created is their goal? On a more fundamental level, why do you assume the their goal is to improve life at all? Ask yourself if this is what they truly want. jfa Jean-Francois Avon, Montreal QC Canada DePompadour, Societe d'Importation Ltee Limoges porcelain, silverware and crystal JFA Technologies, R&D consultant physicists, technologists and engineers PGP keys at: http://w3.citenet.net/users/jf_avon ID# C58ADD0D : 529645E8205A8A5E F87CC86FAEFEF891

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Re: Conservation Laws, Money, Engines, and Ontology (fwd)
by Adamsc＠io-online.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Fri, 6 Sep 96 14:04:51 -0500, Andrew Loewenstern wrote: >> I don't think any one step will solve all our spam problems >> but I wouldn't mind spending, say, 5 cents for each real piece >> of mail I sent outside my company and if end machines charged >> 5 cents per piece of ouside mail received, I think spamming >> would be crippled. (Note that with bad guy lists, you could >> collect the money and then just throw away the mail.) >So would you be willing to pay $50.00 for this message you sent to >cypherpunks? If there are a thousand recipients and each one charges $0.05 >for the priveledge of you sending it e-mail.... It seems like such a scheme >would not only cripple spam, but public discussion lists like this one. It's likely his $.05 would go to the list owner. When signing up for the list you would forfeit the right to collect on junk mail. Charging spammers would be up to the list... - "'Anonymity is bad,' says a source who wishes to remain anonymous." - Nuff' said. * Home: Chris Adams <adamsc(a)io-online.com> | http://www.io-online.com/adamsc/adamsc.htp * Autoresponder: send email w/subject of "send resume" or "send PGPKEY" * Work: cadams(a)acucobol.com | V.M. (619)515-4894 | (619)689-6579 * Member in good standing of the GNU whirled hors d'oeuvre

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[NOISE] Propaganda Bit: C
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 10:50 AM 9/6/96 -0800, Jim Bell wrote: >Since red liquid running in the streets is generally so reviled, one of the >things which mystifies me is why there aren't more simulation-type programs >used to test out hypotheticals, for example a "SimEconomy." For example, As someone else pointed out recently, this depends _so_ strongly on the assumptions built into your model, both explicit and implicit. SimHealth, for instance, was a propaganda piece put out for the last election so people could play with different approaches to managing other peoples' health care. If Duncan were to write something like that, anybody who tinkered with the economy would make it go downhill. If Ross Perot wrote it, anybody who started making the deficit larger would find his picture at the bottom of the screen having the ears grow larger. I assume that if Jim wrote it, anybody who did anything to the economy other than decrease government involvement would find a bunch of nasty little dwarves throwing stone knives at them.... # Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart, +1-415-442-2215 stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com # <A HREF="http://idiom.com/~wcs"> # You can get PGP software outside the US at ftp.ox.ac.uk/pub/crypto

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Cellular phone tracing
by E. Allen Smith 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From comp.risks: Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 22:24:13 -0400 (EDT) From: glassman(a)sunsite.unc.edu Subject: FedEx monitoring of cellular phonecall locations [...] nowhere near either of those places, so I did not bother to mention my current location to the operator. The next day, Saturday, I called FedEx with the same cell phone from Blowing Rock to arrange the pickup. The operator immediately asked if I wanted them to come to the intersection that I had placed my call from the day before. Two days later, a FedEx operator confirmed that they are getting "new systems" at some locations that are able to record the locations from which cellular calls are placed. I have now asked Cellular One three times to explain to me why they do not tell subscribers that they pass this location information through the system, but to no avail. [...] ========== end fwd.

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Anonymous phone calls (was: What is the EFF doing exactly?)
by jbugden＠smtplink.alis.ca 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

There is another spin possible on the reasons for replacement of pay phones with credit card phones. In Canada all new credit card phones are also able to take phone cards (which are anonymous). Using a prepaid phone card permits full anonymity. But what it also permits is metered local calls. This infrastructure would be more familiar to someone from Europe where metered local calls are the norm. Paris make the change to phones that *only* take prepaid phone cards (thus fully anonymous) obstensibly because people were breaking into phones for the money. Prepaid phone cards avoid this. James Why should my long distance calling subsidize your local internet access? ;-) ---------- From: "<pstira(a)escape.com>" <pstira(a)escape.com> Sent: Friday, September 06, 1996 9:54 AM To: unicorn(a)schloss.li Cc: vznuri(a)netcom.com; cypherpunks(a)toad.com Subject: Re: What is the EFF doing exactly? Not just DC and Chicago, I'm afraid. If anyone around NYC noticed, there are less and less payphones, and all new ones installed, just about, are those yellow credit card phones. Not all of them, but it's now one for one, at least.

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Re: /\/\/\/\/HELP\/\/\/\/\ !!!!!!!!!
by paul＠fatmans.demon.co.uk 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> I really need help unsubscribing from the Cypherpunks list! it is imperative! > It is Imperrative that you do the following to ubsubscibe umself luddite. Get 3 other friends to send in messages to majordomo(a)toad.com with the line subscribe cypherpunks (their email address here) in the message then once they have subscribed send a message to cypherpunks(a)eff.org with the following in it: Authorise: (email 1) (email 2) (email 3) END replacing (email x) with their email addresses. then send a message to majordomo(a)toad.com with the line: unsubscribe cypherpunks (your email) and you will be taken off the 3 friends email addresses act as a security protocol to ensure you cannot be maliciously removed by someone else.. they will then have to repeat the exercise with 3 friends each of their own to unsubscribe themselves and so on down the chain... good luck. Datacomms Technologies web authoring and data security Paul Bradley, Paul(a)fatmans.demon.co.uk Http://www.fatmans.demon.co.uk/crypt/ "Don`t forget to mount a scratch monkey" -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6 mQCNAjH9j+cAAAEEAMBvREiQR0ot9dFCO0TiSCSunAYLv2g1Bc6I3bz8FzKXNH53 6mieJf/W4rD+CxJpT0q9RQaaoRtkHJLwbjfK2il3D7mEahMAyqvF/xRJNqkXfhM3 sRJM0Jh43l+W0M5vwokbEbk25/bxWWGspTsLD3YHbzKnG6pOcL5OPIRbv66xAAUR tCdQYXVsIEJyYWRsZXkgPHBhdWxAZmF0bWFucy5kZW1vbi5jby51az4= =riHc -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----

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