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NANDO: Radikal
by E. Allen Smith 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I've sent (using wURLd Presence) the URLs of some of the mirror sites to several search engines. -Allen > _________________________________________________________________ > The Peanut Roaster > _________________________________________________________________ > GERMANS PROBE COMPUTER FIRMS OVER ELECTRONIC PAPER > __________________________________________________________________________ > Copyright &copy 1996 Nando.net > Copyright &copy 1996 Reuter Information Service > BONN (Sep 13, 1996 4:05 p.m. EDT) - Germany's Federal Prosecutor's > Office said on Friday it was investigating a number of so-called > Internet providers because they were giving computer subscribers > access to a radical left-wing electronic newspaper. > A spokesman for the office said the firms were suspected of inciting > criminal activity and advertising for a terrorist group because they > had failed to block access to the left-wing Internet page "radikal > 154." > Among other things, the electronic site provides instructions on how > to sabotage railway lines. Prosecutors consider it to be terrorist > propaganda. > On Friday, the page was still available via major Internet providers > CompuServe Inc, AOL and T-Online, the online service of > telecommunications giant Deutsche Telekom. > AOL said in a statement that it was technically impossible to block > the server where "radikal" originated, and that the page was anyway > now available via at least 30 other servers and in thousands of > electronic copies. > Authorities have been getting increasingly frustrated that radical > left- or right-wing material whose distribution is a criminal offence > in Germany can be picked up here on the Internet from computers in > foreign countries. The server where "radikal" originates is located in > the Netherlands. Chuckle... > Firms giving access to the Internet -- a network of interlinked > computers providing access to millions of electronic pages -- say they > are no more responsible for the contents than a telephone company is > for the conversations it carries. > On Thursday Germany's office for the protection of juveniles for the > first time put an Internet page -- produced in North America by > leading Nazi apologist Ernst Zuendel -- on its list of banned > publications. > But officials conceded that the move was likely to have little > practical effect, and provider T-Online said it had no intention of > blocking the page. [...] > Copyright &copy 1996 Nando.net

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Re: Fed appellate judge remarks re anonymity
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 1:47 AM 9/13/96, Jim Choate wrote: >Forwarded message: > >> Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 17:40:19 -0700 >> From: Greg Broiles <gbroiles(a)netbox.com> >> Subject: Fed appellate judge remarks re anonymity, free speech on the >> net >> >> The article quotes Kozinski as saying "I have a severe problem with >> anonymous E-mailers . . . You don't have a right to walk up to somebody's >> door and knock with a bag over your head." The article says Kozinski likened >> anonymous E-mail to menacing someone. > >I guess the esteemed judge doesn't believe in Halloween.... Actually, seven of the children who came before his court on this charge are still in prison. He sentenced them to between 4 and 7 years. (By the way, some communities have made it illegal for adults to be out by themselves when children are "trick-or-treating." Typically, the laws are vague and are used for harassment, not actual prosecution. And I rather doubt that the costume I plan to wear to Sandy Sandfort's party--"Jeffrey Dahmer," with a bag over my shoulder and what appear to be severed limbs sticking out of the bag--would be "acceptable" to local cops.) --Tim "The Unadahmer" May (I blow up my victims and then cook the pieces) We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, I know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^1,257,787-1 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Re: did you go to school?
by hipcrime 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

JMR, is everybody WRONG, who does not follow your line of thinking?????????????? We just disagree, nobody's WRONG here. CypherWimps need, more than anything else, to get down off their high-horses for once. CyberSpace ain't Reality . The reverse is true as well. --HTTP://www.HIPCRIME.com

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Re: really undetectable crypto
by jim＠suite.suite.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> Your assumptions are correct. Applied Cryptography by > Schneier discusses this method, referring to it as a > "subliminal channel". Why am I not surprised. :-) > Because of the very (VERY) slow transmission times (on > the order of 1 bit/message), he notes it primarily as a > secure method of exchanging keys. > I would think you could do better than 1 bit per message. Using just hashes, I would think you could get at least 4-8 bits per message using a standard Pentium-class machine. Maybe more, I haven't actually run any tests to see how long it would take to generate innocent messages that produces hashes with specific bits in certain positions. > In his discussion, he also incorporated a bit in the > signature, thus assuring the communication is > travelling to the intended recipient unmolested. I don't see why this is necessary. If the hidden message is encrypted using a key (or key pair) known only to Alice and Bob, then Walter should not be able to fool Bob. Walter could disrupt the communications in any number of ways, but he wouldn't be able to generate innocent messages that produce hashes that contain bits that combine to form a message encrypted using a key (or key pair) known only to Alice and Bob. > However, to be "extremely sublime", your method could be > incorporated with otherwise signed messages: while the > signature appearing with your message includes an MD5 > hash, the real "stego bit" is the first bit of an RC4 hash of > the same file, as computed by an external program on the > receiver's end. > The above paragraph has given me an idea: You don't need to send hashes or digital signatures to send hidden encrypted messages. All Alice needs to send is the carefully constructed plaintext. Bob can generate the hashes himself, extract the proper bits and attempt to decrypt the hidden message. If the hidden message does not decrypt, then either the plaintext was tampered with, it was forged, or not all of the plaintext arrived. That being the case, then I think we have a very simple proof that any communications channel, even one that allows only unsigned plaintext messages, can be used to send arbitrary encrypted messages (if a bit slowly). So much for Clipper. Jim_Miller(a)suite.com

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Re: mailing lists
by HipCrime 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>i don't see you sticking your neck out to deal with assholes who think >freedom of speech is secondary to their right not to ever see mail >they don't want. Like hell we're not. What are you guys mad at us for? Thinking that FREEDOM of SPEECH is much, much more important that whining computer nerds who can't push a DELETE button. >i did competitive public speaking from 7th grade until my junior year >of high school where i was also on the debate team for two years. In that case, maybe you should learn to use the SHIFT key. Or didn't debaters in your school take typing and/or learn about punctuation, capitalization, and the other niceties of English communication? >now i make a living as a biochemistry grad student (only a year left >until you get to call me Dr.) where logic is paramount and feelings >are irrelevant. Well, "doctor" why can't you see (with your logic) that junk Email (or "spam") would save many, many forests if it REPLACED junk SnailMail. Isn't it just that your "irrelevant feelings" have been hurt, because someone used your remailer-baby in a way you hadn't planned for ?!? Why not put your money where your mouth is, and bet me (any amount), that spam WILL be socially acceptable by the year 2000. Particularly, when the green-folks discover how many trees will be saved. It'll be a social-mandate, NOT just a suggestion. Want to bet? -- HTTP://www.HIPCRIME.com

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Re: Child Porn as Thoughtcrime
by azur＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

What if someone combined images now generally considered pornographic under current U.S. law, with a pressing political message. For example, a nude pre-teen holding a picket sign saying "F*** Censorship." How would the courts separate the protected speech (content) from the sexual (context)? PGP Fingerprint: FE 90 1A 95 9D EA 8D 61 81 2E CC A9 A4 4A FB A9 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Snoop Daty Data | Internet: azur(a)netcom.com Grinder | Voice: 1-702-655-2877 Sacred Cow Meat Co. | Fax: 1-702-658-2673 7075 W. Gowan Road, #2148 | Las Vegas, NV 89129 | --------------------------------------------------------------------- Just say NO to perscription DRUGS.

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Re: 56 kbps modems
by Remo Pini 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com Date: Mon Sep 16 15:59:53 1996 I think I have to throw in some words here, too: 1. BAUD is one distingushable signal form. 2. BPS is bits per second 3. NO transmission over a standard phoneline can have more than 3100 baud, because the frequency of anything transmitted over that line is band limited to 300hz - 3400hz. (If you have ISDN it's not relevant anyway, since you are fixed with 8000hz or 64000 bps->in europe :), 56000 bps in usa) 4. Most modern transmission schemes work with multiple bits per baud. I.e. you transmit 10 bits in one baud if you have a 31000 bps modem. the only limitation in transmission speed is the amount of binary values you can pack into one baud. that on the other hand is limited by the S/N (signal to noise) ratio of your line. If you have a noise of 0.9%, you can't use more than 100 steps or you have ambiguous signals. since people talk about 56000 bps modems (we tried 34000 modems here and they couldn't produce more than 28800 on a very good connection) that would mean, that you have to transmit 18 bits = 262144 (!) distinguishable signal forms per baud. Comments? Remo Pini - ------< fate favors the prepared mind >------ Remo Pini rp(a)rpini.com PGP: http://www.rpini.com/crypto/crypto.html - ----< words are what reality is made of >---- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3i Charset: noconv iQEVAwUBMj1dWhFhy5sz+bTpAQHmVAgAqRHydyZdElXlwMSgdKB6hg1fDBCMfhia JoI5W8n0JLcKe9HYN/H0DPqFHHDIATEhlN3b3OIhYCw52cNJ/e3b9Nbp5RQo+sDX zAogz5wZiDV7EA/gL589lNQZ9VKHlgTYBLzu1tqyJ5cD2KhWEUjvXyN4lYuxcEQT NIaiNPeYXrC0BeoLa/AE8mCrtu+7nhxy5HlSjDiu3lEYaVygKIPQHM3+Ljzq0jkq bmbqJbTyZshos+5gxHyXLsbL8rkpST53YT4Z3clL6PCv1ntNGXtb/loWgIDallYJ bHgfh/bAS5Utg7fpzuVNS8AJV8L2VLirScBd4Bq5RAXZxnoTVVQxOw== =9JSI -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: unwanted mail..what can I do?
by AwakenToMe＠aol.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In a message dated 96-09-14 01:18:49 EDT, dlv(a)bwalk.dm.com (Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM) writes: << AwakenToMe(a)aol.com writes: > I recieved mail from netfree.com.. > I tried mailing it back (it def. had a forged address, but I got the netfree > from the mail header.....) > So anyway..... I tried sending to root@netfree....my mail was rejected (not > unknown ...it was rejected by the system) said it wasnt authorized... so I > tried support@netfree...same thing. > It ISSSSS rather annoying...any sugestions? Yes, a bunch of them: 1. Get a life. Learn to delete unwanted e-mail. Get a real shell account. 2. Ask AOL to let its users decide what e-mail to reject automatically (like procmail). They've been promising this capability by the end of September. Then you can set up your account to get no more e-mail from netfree. >> Typical asshole response. I must thank chuck@nova..etc. for his TRULY helpful response. But you........get a real shell account?? I do thank you. netcom and a school system. I can delete unwanted mail. But maybe I LIKE to yell at people who spam me. And ive never received mail from netfree before..nor since... thats NOT my problem. Learn to comprehend what pthers write. I wanted to know what I can do about getting in coontact with them. It is in my opinion not right to forge email addresses...people dont do it when the send me us postal mail

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radikal mirrors as of 14-9-1996
by tank 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

** Radikal Mirrors ** ************************************************ Receive Radikal 154 by email: Send a empty message to radikal(a)xs4all.nl and you receive issue 154 by mail. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Read the radikal by calling the netherlands (25 numbers). All telefonnr. are listed at the end of this mail. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Download the radikal archive: http: radikal.tar.gz Radikal-site unix archive radi.zip Radikal-site dos-zip archive ftp: ftp://utopia.hacktic.nl/pub/replay/pub/incoming Radikal 154 in plaintext ASCII http://www.xs4all.nl/~tank/radikal/radi154.tgz Radikal 154 unix http://www.xs4all.nl/~tank/radikal/radi154.zip Radikal 154 dos-zip If you got your mirror up and running let us know +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Special mirror: de.soc.zensur de.org.politik.spd http://www.altavista.digital.com usenet-search for radikal.zip +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Mirror-sites: ============= 1.http://burn.ucsd.edu/%7Eats/RADIKAL/ 2.http://www.jca.or.jp/~taratta/mirror/radikal/ 3.http://www.serve.com/~spg/ 4.http://huizen.dds.nl/~radikal 5.http://www.canucksoup.net/radikal/index.html 6.http://www.ecn.org/radikal 7.http://www.well.com/~declan/mirrors/ 8.http://www.connix.com/~harry/radikal/index.htm 9.http://www.ganesa.com/radikal/ 10.http://www.denhaag.org/~radikal 11.http://www.knooppunt.be/~daniel/radikal 12.http://emma.unm.edu/radikal 13.http://www.tacacs.com/radikal/" 14.http://www.dsvenlo.nl/~vvd/radikal/ 15.http://www.why.net/home/static/radi 16.http://users.abcs.com/dockmstr/mirror/radikal/index.htm 17.http://www.xs4all.nl/~jeroenw/radikal/ 18.http://home.ipr.nl/~radikal/ 19.http://www.dreamy.demon.co.uk/occam/ 20.http://www.ibmpcug.co.uk/~irdial/live_free/ 21.http://zero.tolerance.org/radi/index.htm 22.http://www.meaning.com/library/radikal/ 23.http://www.xs4all.nl/~irmed/radikal/ 24.http://www.walli.uwasa.fi/~tviemero/radikal 25.http://www.sko.it/~sfede/radi/index.htm 26.http://www.bart.nl/~sz/index.html 27.http://bellp.med.yale.edu/index.htm 28.http://www.euronet.nl/users/funest/radi/index.htm 29.http://fine.com/radikal 30.http://www.lab.net/radikal 31.http://www.charm.net/~gbarren/radikal 32.http://login.datashopper.dk/~pethern/radikal/ Phone: Call and login as "new". So first dail the international number +31 (hollands international code) and than one of these numbers. Amsterdam Zoetermeer Maarssen 020 5350535, V.34 079 3611011, V.34 0346 550455, V.34 020 4223422, UUCP 079 3600800, ISDN PPP 0346 553613, ISDN PPP 020 6265060, ZyXEL 079 3630569, ISDN X.75 0346 555285, ISDN X.75 020 4229700, ISDN PPP 020 4206782, ISDN X.75 Hoorn Geleen Leeuwarden 0229 212177, V.34 046 4789478, V.34 058 2157815, V.34 0229 219717, ISDN PPP 046 4230555, ISDN PPP 058 2130910, ISDN PPP Goes Assen 0113 252900, V.34 0592 331531, V.34 0113 270110, ISDN PPP 0592 331278, ISDN PPP Willemstad Deurne 0168 472472, V.34 0493 323344, V.34 0168 476472, ISDN PPP 0493 351566, ISDN PPP

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The HipCrime [NOISE]
by Troy Varange 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Who cares? The rebuttals by the Hipmeister sound like he's pretty cool. So fuck off, net-cops.

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