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Re: TEMPEST laptops
by Tim May 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 12:26 PM -0800 11/1/98, Dave Emery wrote: >On Sun, Nov 01, 1998 at 09:53:37AM -0800, Tim May wrote: >> >> Anyway, were I to try to shield a laptop I'd start with microwave leakage >> meters, a couple of t.v.s and radio (of different types and bands), and >> then I'd start recording signal levels of various sorts as different >> shielding layers and types were applied to the laptop(s). Simple lab stuff. >> > > As someone who has actually spent hellish weeks working to >suppress the RF emissions of some commericial network gear I designed - >to make it pass FCC B and VDE certification - let me say this is a black >art and no fun. There are sophisticated electromagnetics programs that >can sometimes succeed in modeling the radiation from a computer system, >but they are very expensive and inputting all the required information >is painful or downright impossible (data just not available or in a >usable format), so this nasty job usually gets done seat of the pants >style using rules of thumb and educated guesses and hard won experiance >and lots of trial and error. The job consists of attaching lossy >ferrite beads, copper tape and other RF and common mode current supressing >devices, shielding plastic packages with spray metallic coatings, adding ... All good points, but there's a big difference between trying to meet FCC emissions requirements for a commercial product that has to meet cost, weight, and cosmetic requirements (e.g., a plastic case!), and the scenario of making a TEMPEST-like box for a laptop. Ferrite beads and copper tape are a lot different from a sealed box made of 10-gauge copper sheet. > Nobody does this using ordinary radios and TVs, the standard >tool is a broadband spectrum analyzer or special EMC receiver with >quasipeak filters and special calibrated wideband dipole antennas that >have known gain and pattern characteristics. Isolating of radiating >sites is often done with near field probes or sniffers attached to the >spectrum analyzer that allow hot spots to be tracked to within a few cm. >Often in order to get enough sensitivity one also needs special >preamps, and a RF quiet site where signals from the DUT aren't drowned >out by pagers and cellphones and emissions from nearby computers. A >good bit of this work is done way out in the country under non-metallic >fiberglass buildings that don't create reflections that confuse the >measurements. And conducted as opposed to radiated noise is measured >with special power line filters and cable filters... Sure, but my point was that John Young should *at least* start with actual measurements, as opposed to putting most of the onus on a FOIA request to get TEMPEST docs declassified. If he can get spectrum analyzers and all that stuff, so much the better. --Tim May Y2K: A good chance to reformat America's hard drive and empty the trash. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, ComSec 3DES: 831-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Licensed Ontologist | black markets, collapse of governments.

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RE: TEMPEST laptops
by Trei, Peter 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> -----Original Message----- > From: Lucky Green [SMTP:shamrock@cypherpunks.to] > Sent: Sunday, November 01, 1998 8:33 PM > To: Bill Stewart > Cc: cypherpunks(a)cyberpass.net > Subject: Re: TEMPEST laptops > > On Sun, 1 Nov 1998, Bill Stewart wrote: > [...] > > Just using a regular laptop isn't enough; I've seen laptops > > transmit recognizable images to a television (though I was probably > > using AC power rather than batteries, and may or may not have had > > the display mode set to LCD-and-monitor.) > > Thanks for touching on the popuar myth that laptops radiate less than > CRT's. Many laptops in fact radiate more compromising emissions than > CRT's. Ross Anderson does his van Eck demos to undergrads using a laptop, > because it works so much better than CRT's. > > -- Lucky Green <shamrock(a)cypherpunks.to> PGP v5 encrypted email preferred. Nearly all laptops have a built-in video port, for connection to an external monitor. This is often poorly shielded (usually just a plastic plug). I'd be curious to know how much the radiation from this port could be attenuated by (1) a metal plug contacting the laptop's ground plane, and (2) removing all the video-port specific circuitry (major surgery for a laptop :-( ). Peter Trei

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Techno Warfare In The 21st Century (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: >From consim-l-return-17237-ravage=ssz.com(a)net.uni-c.dk Mon Nov 2 12:19:37 1998 Mailing-List: contact consim-l-help(a)net.uni-c.dk; run by ezmlm Reply-To: consim-l(a)net.uni-c.dk Delivered-To: mailing list consim-l(a)net.uni-c.dk From: HBtLF(a)aol.com Message-ID: <b4455e8.363df7e5(a)aol.com> Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 13:20:21 EST To: consim-l(a)net.uni-c.dk Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Techno Warfare In The 21st Century Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Dear consimers, When I'm not playing or designing wargames, I produce documentary programs for television. I'm considering whether to produce a documentary on the topic of technology and weaponry. Specifically, I want to look at how computer networks can be used in warfare. I grew up on SAC bases, so I've seen that side of it (computers controlling missile systems, for example). I'm more interested in how cyberwarfare might be conducted over the Internet to bring down an opponent's infrastructure (or play havoc with economic activity such as stock markets). James Adams' new book "Computers Are The Weapons and The Front Line Is Everywhere" is the type of material I am trying to find. I would urge any consimmers with suggestions to contact me at hbtlf(a)aol.com Thanks in advance. David Bolt

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VANGUARD: An Election About Nothing? (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Subject: VANGUARD: An Election About Nothing? > Date: Tue, 3 Nov 98 00:35:09 -0600 > From: Vanguard <Vanguard(a)theVanguard.org> > > AN ELECTION ABOUT NOTHING? > 30 October 1998 > > Copyright 1998, Rod D. Martin > > "The Vanguard of the Revolution" > National Edition > An election is at hand, and yet again, the vast majority will not > vote. Just as they have shown a complete disinterest in the > character of the President, they will Tuesday show a total lack of > concern for the fate of their country. For them, this is the > Seinfeld election: an election about nothing. > > It is just as well that such nincompoops won't vote; and yet it is > a sorry commentary on the state of our body politic that so few > understand, that so few even care. Another fatal disaster just > this month, this time in Taft, California, shows us again just why > it is so tragic. Perhaps they're not stupid. Perhaps their not nin-compoops, but rather you are for assigning any value to the entire process. It is a standard litany of conventional science to choose the lesser of two evils. Perhaps the lesser of two evils in this corrupted, Constitutionaly bereft system is *NOT TO PARTICIPATE*. Sine it obviously doesn't matter who wins, since the mighty spectre of compromise will dilute any real difference into a verbal shell game devoid of meaning. Maby deToquville (sorry for spelling - early morning) was right about mediocrity being the result of democracy, except in one fine point. It won't be the people as a whole but rather those who are too stupid and wedded to outmoded ideals to change. The social and political dinosaurs if you will. Maby the polls where drunk dwarves win over 'serious' candidates is actualy demonstrating the absurdity of those who insist their issue are serious. Perhaps people are finaly seeing that these nin-compoops who want the political power in this country are simply blind to a social and economic change in the winds. ____________________________________________________________________ To know what is right and not to do it is the worst cowardice. Confucius The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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RE: Bic-Assassins Convicted (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 20:41:24 -0500 > From: John Young <jya(a)pipeline.com> > Subject: RE: Bic-Assassins Convicted (fwd) > Jim Choate asked: > > >If they had threatened just a plain old citizen with this > >email would they also be facing this life imprisonment? > > Apparently the charges would have been the same if made > against any > > "person within the United States, and the results of such > use affect interstate or foreign commerce or, in the case > of a threat, attempt, or conspiracy, would have affected > interstate or foreign commerce." (see below) Ok, exactly how would their threat effect inter-state commerce? > The use of E-mail was incidental to the charges of both > conspiracy and threatening to use weapons of mass destruction: > > 18:2332(a)(2) and (c)(2)(C). Conspiracy to use a weapon > of mass destruction against person(s) w/in the U.S. > the results of which affected interstate & foreign > commerce. Offense dates: 3/24/98 - 6/30/98. Penalty: > Any term of years or for life, $250,000, 5 yrs SRT. (1) Conspiracy requires active steps, not simply talking about it. As I understand it the conspiracy and weapons of mass destructions charges were given a not-guilty by the jury. No proof was presented that they had ever even bought a bic lighter to test with. Hell, even going to the bookstore and buying a book or the library and checking one out is protected under the Constitution. It takes more than talk to generate a conspiracy. > 18:2332a(a)(2) and (c)(2)(C) and 2. Threatening to use a > weapon of mass destruction. Offense date: 6/26/98 > Penalty: any term of years or Proceedings include all events. > for life, $250,000, 5 yrs SRT as to ea ct. (2 - 8) If we're going to go by this then the US government is already guilty re their plan to destroy various contraband plants via genetic weapons. If you think that won't effect inter-state & international commerce you better think again. And they've gone a lot farther than just talking about it in email. Congress has spent millions on it over the last few years. > The eight counts are for the one count of conspiracy and > threats against seven federal agencies ("employees and > families"): > > The President > ATF > FBI > DEA > IRS > Secret Service > Custom Service Ok, so my question still stands what if these had been actual people instead of government agencies? The charges are *NOT* for threatening individuals who happen to be government agents, oh no, they're for threatening government *agencies* a whole different ball game ('The President' is an office not a person). > CHAPTER 113B - TERRORISM > > Sec. 2332a. Use of weapons of mass destruction > > (a) Offense Against a National of the United States or Within the > United States. - A person who, without lawful authority, uses, > threatens, or attempts or conspires to use, a weapon of mass > destruction, including any biological agent, toxin, or vector (as > those terms are defined in section 178) - Where is 'lawful authority' defined? > (2) against any person within the United States, and the > results of such use affect interstate or foreign commerce or, in > the case of a threat, attempt, or conspiracy, would have affected > interstate or foreign commerce; I covered this one already. > (c) Definitions. - For purposes of this section - > > (2) the term ''weapon of mass destruction'' means - > > (A) any destructive device as defined in section 921 of this > title; > > (B) any weapon that is designed or intended to cause death or > serious bodily injury through the release, dissemination, or > impact of toxic or poisonous chemicals, or their precursors; > > (C) any weapon involving a disease organism; or So if I go out and sneeze on somebody I've committed an attack using a weapon of mass destruction? > (D) any weapon that is designed to release radiation or > radioactivity at a level dangerous to human life. Where is the definition of 'mass' in there? Hell, just about anything qualifies under this definition. It doesn't even require the death of 1 single individual (it doesn't even require it to be lethal). Oh, *all* radiation is harmful to human life. > CHAPTER 10 - BIOLOGICAL WEAPONS > Sec. 178. Definitions > > As used in this chapter - > > (1) the term ''biological agent'' means any micro-organism, > virus, infectious substance, or biological product that may be > engineered as a result of biotechnology, or any naturally > occurring or bioengineered component of any such microorganism, > virus, infectious substance, or biological product, capable of > causing - > > (A) death, disease, or other biological malfunction in a > human, an animal, a plant, or another living organism; Well this certainly covers each and every effect of a pathogen on a biological system (I particularly like the way they've covered their butts for ET.... 'another living organism'. Not to mention that cleaning your kitchen counter qualifies under this statute. > (B) deterioration of food, water, equipment, supplies, or > material of any kind; or > > (C) deleterious alteration of the environment; Well at least they've set themselves up for their anti-drug pathogen program. > (2) the term ''toxin'' means the toxic material of plants, Can you say circular defintion, I thought you could. This sentence say nothing. > animals, microorganisms, viruses, fungi, or infectious > substances, or a recombinant molecule, whatever its origin or > method of production, including - > > (A) any poisonous substance or biological product that may be > engineered as a result of biotechnology produced by a living > organism; or > > (B) any poisonous isomer or biological product, homolog, or > derivative of such a substance; This of course happens to cover plain old water (re 'whatever its origin or method of preduction'). > (3) the term ''delivery system'' means - > > (A) any apparatus, equipment, device, or means of delivery > specifically designed to deliver or disseminate a biological > agent, toxin, or vector; or > > (B) any vector; > > (4) the term ''vector'' means a living organism, or molecule, > including a recombinant molecule, or biological product that may > be engineered as a result of biotechnology, capable of carrying a > biological agent or toxin to a host; and Next time I get food-poisoning at a restaraunt it's comforting to know that the federal government will be right there to prosecute under this particular statute... Geesh. ____________________________________________________________________ To know what is right and not to do it is the worst cowardice. Confucius The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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RE: Bic-Assassins Convicted (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > From: Matthew James Gering <mgering(a)ecosystems.net> > Subject: RE: Bic-Assassins Convicted > Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 15:57:43 -0800 > BROWNSVILLE, Texas (AP) -- Johnie Wise, 72, and Jack Abbott > Grebe, 43, were convicted Thursday of two counts of sending > threatening e-mails -- one message to the Internal Revenue > Service and one to the Drug Enforcement Agency. > > They could get life in prison at their Jan. 29 sentencing. I have a question, if they had threatened just a plain old citizen with this email would they also be facing this life imprisonment? ____________________________________________________________________ To know what is right and not to do it is the worst cowardice. Confucius The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: Is CP mail to me bouncing?
by ichudov＠Algebra.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Francis Litterio wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > In the last few days I've ceased receiving CP email from algebra.com. > Am I still subscribed? Is mail to me bouncing back to you? My ISP > has some aggressive anti-spam measures that sometimes bounce mail from > lists. Yes, your problems in receiving cypherpunks mail are due to your ISP. Please change your ISP, as the current one cares more about the antispam crusade than about their customers receiving email. - Igor.

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[Fwd: ...prolonged, unintentional and inadvertent...]
by da5id＠simons-rock.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

To: 0xdeadbeef(a)substance.abuse.blackdown.org Subject: ...prolonged, unintentional and inadvertent... From: glen mccready <glen(a)qnx.com> Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 11:30:26 -0500 Delivered-To: da5id(a)simons-rock.edu Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 11:32:36 -0500 Resent-From: 0xdeadbeef(a)substance.abuse.blackdown.org Resent-Message-ID: <"CF3sc1.0.UA3.D0pFs"@shell> Resent-Sender: 0xdeadbeef-request(a)substance.abuse.blackdown.org Forwarded-by: Nev Dull <nev(a)bostic.com> Forwarded-by: "Geoffrey S. Knauth" <gknauth(a)bbn.com> Forwarded-by: Tom Schuneman <elf(a)wavemark.com> PARIS (Reuters) - Electronic trading may be cheap, but leaning on the keyboard can be costly. A mystery plunge in the value of French 10-year bond futures on July 23 was triggered by a bank trader at Salomon Brothers in London who accidentally and repeatedly hit the "Instant Sell" button, investigators said Thursday. A wave of 145 separate sell orders sent the price diving on electronic screens. "The disputed trades arose as a result of the prolonged, unintentional and inadvertent operation of the 'Instant Sell' key," said an investigation by computer software firm Cap Gemini and security group Kroll Associates. Salomon Brothers declined to comment on any losses.

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No Subject
by explorer＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

11/04/98 INTERNET NEWS 8 Pine Circle Dr. Silicon Valley,Ca. USA INTERNET NEWS/Y2K (YEAR 2000 SOLUTION) Most of the information from the silicon valley is obtained from the local pubs/bars. Un-named sources discussing the Y2K problem at the local brew revealed, that 2 of the big valley software manufacturers are in a bidding war for software technology created by a small publicly traded company OTC-BB symbol:"TCFG" that is in the process of obtaining a patent. This 3 year old emerging growth company has tested and out performed the "Big Boys" with a system industry experts consider to be a technological breakthrough! Several rogue ex-employees of the "giants" joined this company and claims abound about their success. If truth is stronger than fiction then "TCFG" is going to play with the big boys. We all know the Y2K problem and what the real solution would mean to all of us $$! How much will they pay "TCFG"? Back to the pub friday evening for more info...

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