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Re: Nuclear Weapons Material
by koontzd＠lrcs.loral.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>The ammo used by the A-10 chain gun uses a depleted uranium core that is >designed to defeat Chobam and other types of reactive armor. It is also >used in F-14, F-15, F-16, and F-18's that are tasked with ground attack >missions where active armor tanks are expected to be encountered. A clarification. The A-10 is equipped with a 30mm weapon, the fighters are equipped with 20 mm. Its the size (30mm) along with the density (depleted uranium) that makes the kinetic weapon so effective against armored targets.

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Re: Nuclear Weapons Material
by jdd＠aiki.demon.co.uk 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In message <199408251440.HAA06649(a)netcom7.netcom.com> Mike Duvos writes: > > I wonder why the issue of bomb parts is now being given such a > huge push in the press? Maybe because several people have been arrested in Germany and Russia over the last week or two. According to the UK press a group at a Russian nuclear weapons facility were stealing tens of kilos of the stuff, and one guy supposedly was willing to trade a kilo of plutonium for 70 bottles of vodka. Occasionally coverage in the press does reflect events in the real world. -- Jim Dixon

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Re: U & Pu "poisoning of the environment"
by jdd＠aiki.demon.co.uk 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In message <9408251512.AA11369(a)focis.sda.cbis.COM> "Paul J. Ste. Marie" writes: > > > Epidemiologic studies of workers [even wartime workers with impressive > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > > body burdens/ exposures] in a number of uranium bomb-making centers have > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > > found ~ no health effects. > > > > This is quite similar to saying that nerve gas is harmless because > > scarcely anyone working in storage areas has been killed by it. Or > > that bullets won't harm you because people handle crates of them and > > they don't get shot. > > No, it is not. If you had read the message more carefully, you would > have had to phrase your example as, "This is quite similar to saying > that nerve gas is harmless because scarcely anyone who has inhaled > substantial amounts of it has been killed by it." In all of these cases there is a serious attempt to make sure that the workers are not harmed by the dangerous substances involved. I must say that the phrase "impressive body burdens" is fairly incomprehensible. But nevertheless, my point stands: workers are carefully protected from the plutonium and U235 in nuclear weapons plants. When their radiation badges show what is considered a high level dose, this does not mean that they have been exposed to anything like, say, the radiation from a kilo of unshielded plutonium. If radioactive substances are used as weapons, the intention will be to do the maximum possible damage. I don't think that anyone would survive for long after exposure to, say, a suspension of plutonium in air designed to be breathed in, perhaps as an aerosol. To repeat my point: you say that statistical studies of workers in nuclear weapons plants which are specifically designed to minimize the effects of radiation show that radiation has done little harm. Well, I should hope so. On the other hand I say that such studies are poor criteria for judging the effects of radiation intended to do the maximum possible harm. I think that this is really indisputable. -- Jim Dixon

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Re: Nuclear Weapons Material
by jdd＠aiki.demon.co.uk 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In message <9408251708.AA04970(a)vail.tivoli.com> Mike McNally writes: > Mike Duvos writes: > > The idea is that the > > uranium penetrates the armor and the charge then explodes once > > the round is inside. > > I don't know much about modern munitions, but I do know that armor > piercing rounds may have no charge in them at all. Most do. RPGs, for example, definitely do. As I recall, a shaped charge punches a tiny hole through the armor and then injects a blob or jet of liquified metal into the vehicle. It's much worse than a ricochet. The explosion occurs outside the tank, driving the jet of metal in. Armor piercing artillery rounds are called HEAT (High Explosive Anti- Tank). The name says it all. -- Jim Dixon

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swIPe
by alex 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The other day, while I was poking around the C'Punk FTP site, I ran across swIPe, the low-level network security protocol by Matt Blaze and John Ioannidis. I'm not as knowledgeble as many of the people here, but swIPe strikes me as "The Right Way" to apply crypto to net-communications. Instead of having secure email, secure mosaic, secure telnet, etc., you have secure IP traffic. It's comparatively simple, it's very flexible, and it's transparent. I haven't heard much about swIPe, and I was wondering if someone could bring me up to speed on it, let me know the status of the project, the conventional wisdom, etc. In particular, I'd like to know if anyone uses swIPe with Linux. Also, I'm curious about the practicality of using swIPe as a component in a larger secure mail (or secure anything) system. If I understand the situation properly, swIPe would only be one piece of a total security system. You'd still need to protect against unauthorized break-ins on your machine, and you'd still have to trust root, you'd still depend on the OS's built-in security, you'd still need a CFS type of program to store your swIPe keys, etc. Finally (I know I'm asking a lot of questions here), does anyone have any pointers to anything about the key-exchange system (apart from what was at soda)? Thanks, Alex

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Re: Nuclear Weapons Material
by dance＠cicero.spc.uchicago.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>I wonder why the issue of bomb parts is now being given such a >huge push in the press? For one thing, Germany has been going ballistic because of the sheer number of people trying to smuggle Uranium/Plutonium from the ex-Soviet Union across its borders for sale on the world market. The Christian Science Monitor had a good article on this last week sometime. _/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ Disobedience is the true _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/ _/ foundation of liberty. _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ The obedient must be slaves. _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ "Civil Disobedience" _/ (Thoreau)

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Re: Nuclear Weapons Material
by David K. Merriman 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> >Occasionally coverage in the press does reflect events in the real >world. >-- >Jim Dixon > Christ, don't let the press find out they screwed up like that - otherwise, we'll *never* hear another bit of Real News (tm) again! Dave "I wish I wasn't joking so much" Merriman - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Finger merriman(a)metronet.com for PGP/RIPEM public keys and fingerprints. Unencrypted Email may be ignored without notice to sender. PGP preferred. Remember: It is not enough to _obey_ Big Brother; you must also learn to *love* Big Brother.

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No Subject
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

A couple comments: (1) They are not offering any form of encryption -- seem to feel that the intervening Internet mail spools are secure from would-be blackmailers. (2) Are suicide hotline communications, like psychiatric counseling, privileged communications? In what jurisdictions? ------------------------------ Subject: Support for the Suicidal - Full Launch - jo(a)samaritans.org Press Release August 17, 1994 The Samaritans are a non-religious charity offering emotional support to the suicidal and despairing. A test of "Help By E-mail" launched on July 14, 1994 proved so successful that an Internet domain is now open and is reached by mailing jo(a)samaritans.org. The E-mail service is run from Cheltenham, England, and is reached from anywhere with Internet access. At the launch, Mike Haines, the Director said: "During the test month we received over 200 messages. Many were from well wishers, journalists and academics but there were around 15 very desperate people as well. The need for a full launch of our service with an easier address was amply demonstrated." The Samaritans have been offering support to the suicidal and despairing for over 40 years by phone, visit and letter. Callers are guaranteed absolute confidentiality and retain the right to make their own decisions including the decision to end their life. Samaritans are carefully selected and prepared for this work (for which they are not paid). Those working with E-mail have additional training. Volunteers read and reply to mail every day of the year. A nominal end date of December 31, 1994 has been set but initial results have been so encouraging that it is likely to run indefinitely. The idea of an Internet service was born when a volunteer was exploring the UK based CIX conferencing service. Here, he discovered the "suicidehelp" self help group and Newsnet groups such as "alt.support.depression". After discussions with The Samaritans General Office it was decided to try offering a service from Cheltenham. The kind donation of a modem by US Robotics was a great help as was the assistance of staff at Compulink Information Exchange (CIX). The Samaritans of Cheltenham and District 3 Clarence Road CHELTENHAM Glos England Emergency phone: +44 242 515777 Press enquiries: +44 452 854017 E-mail: jo(a)samaritans.org (samaritans(a)cix.compulink.co.uk retained) Anonymous E-mail: samaritans(a)anon.penet.fi (Extremely Slow!) <end>

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Re: payment & tents
by Hacking In Progress 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On 8 Jul 97 at 23:21, Secret Squirrel wrote: > Can you please tell me where tents (for 10+ people) > can be bought/hired in the region of Amsterdam ? > Some of us are eagerly trying to organise this aspect > of the trip, and would welcome pointers. Try for rent: In Purmerend, Netherlands call 02994-20999 They rent army tents. But you'll have to arrange everything with them we can't do that. Expect around 350 guilders rent and about 1000 for deposit. Maurice > Also, I cannot read the [INLINE] phone numbers to call > with my credit card number - can you please publish > both answers on your mailing list ? Call in the Netherlands to 31 20 6263438 cu, Maurice Wessling -- Hacking in Progress 8-9-10 August Tents, TCP/IP, Jolt and politics http://www.hip97.nl/

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Re: Nuclear Weapons Material
by jkbacon＠pacifier.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> I was under the impression that the most common techniquoe for >creating armour-piercing munitions was to use shaped-charges. While >depleted uranium has it's uses (being, as someone said, rather dense), >mass alone will not get through everything. A shaped charge will get >through more things more violently :) > Depleted uranium is used in armor piercing rounds for three reasons: 1. High density 2. High hardness - not quite that of tungsten, but its up there. 3. Upon impact it ignites (like magnesium) and burns. The burning uranium melts steel and also produces uranium oxide in the process. If this isn't "violent" enough, try fission. Kirk

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