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Electronic Commerce: The Future of Fraud
by Bruce Schneier 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

This appeared in my November newsletter, CRYPTO-GRAM, but I thought it general enough interest to send it here. Bruce Electronic Commerce: The Future of Fraud Fraud has been perpetrated against every commerce system man has ever invented, from gold coin to stock certificates to paper checks to credit cards. Electronic commerce systems will be no different; if that's where the money is, that's where the crime will be. The threats are exactly the same. Most fraud against existing electronic commerce systems -- ATM machines, electronic check systems, stored value tokens -- has been low tech. No matter how bad the cryptographic and computer security safeguards, most criminals bypass them entirely and focus on procedural problems, human oversight, and old-fashioned physical theft. Why attack subtle information security systems when you can just haul an ATM machine away in a truck? This implies that new commerce systems don't have to be secure, but just better than what exists. Don't outrun the bear, just outrun the people you're with. Unfortunately, there are three features of electronic commerce that are likely to make fraud more devastating. One, the ease of automation. The same automation that makes electronic commerce systems more efficient than paper systems also makes fraud more efficient. A particular fraud that might have taken a criminal ten minutes to execute on paper can be completed with a single keystroke, or automatically while he sleeps. Low-value frauds, that fell below the radar in paper systems, become dangerous in the electronic world. No one cares if it is possible to counterfeit nickels. However, if a criminal can mint electronic nickels, he might make a million dollars in a week. A pickpocketing technique that works once in ten thousand tries would starve a criminal on the streets, but he might get thirty successes a day on the net. Two, the difficulty of isolating jurisdiction. The electronic world is a world without geography. A criminal doesn't have to be physically near a system he is defrauding; he can attack Citibank in New York from St. Petersburg. He can jurisdiction shop, and launch his attacks from countries with poor criminal laws, inadequate police forces, and lax extradition treaties. And three, the speed of propagation. News travels fast on the Internet. Counterfeiting paper money takes skill, equipment, and organization. If one or two or even a hundred people can do it, so what? It's a crime, but it won't affect the money supply. But if someone figures out how to defraud an electronic commerce system and posts a program on the Internet, a thousand people could have it in an hour, a hundred thousand in a week. This could easily bring down a currency. And only the first attacker needs skill; everyone else can just use software. "Click here to drop the deutsche mark." Cryptography has the potential to make electronic commerce systems safer than paper systems, but not in the ways most people think. Encryption and digital signatures are important, but secure audit trails are even more important. Systems based on long-term relationships, like credit cards and checking accounts, are safer than anonymous systems like cash. But identity theft is so easy that systems based solely on identity are doomed. Preventing crime in electronic commerce is important, but more important is to be able to detect it. We don't prevent crime in our society. We detect crime after the fact, gather enough evidence to convince a neutral third party of the criminal's guilt, and hope that the punishment provides a back-channel of prevention. Electronic commerce systems should have the same goals. They should be able to detect that fraud has taken place and finger the guilty. And more important, they should be able to provide irrefutable evidence that can convict the guilty in court. Perfect solutions are not required -- there are hundred of millions of dollars lost to credit card fraud every year -- but systems that can be broken completely are unacceptable. It's vital that attacks cannot be automated and reproduced without skill. Traditionally, fraud-prevention has been a game of catch-up. A commerce system is introduced, a particular type of fraud is discovered, and the system is patched. Money is made harder to counterfeit. Online credit card verification makes fraud harder. Checks are printed on special paper that makes them harder to alter. These patches reduce fraud for a while, until another attack is discovered. And the cycle continues. The electronic world moves too fast for this cycle. A serious flaw in an electronic commerce system could bankrupt a company in days. Today's systems must anticipate future attacks. Any successful electronic commerce system is likely to remain in use for ten years or more. It must be able to withstand the future: smarter attackers, more computational power, and greater incentives to subvert a widespread system. There won't be time to upgrade them in the field. Why Cryptography is Harder Than it Looks: http://www.counterpane.com/whycrypto.html Security Pitfalls in Cryptography: http://www.counterpane.com/pitfalls.html Subscribe to CRYPTO-GRAM: http://www.counterpane.com/crypto-gram.html ********************************************************************** Bruce Schneier, President, Counterpane Systems Phone: 612-823-1098 101 E Minnehaha Parkway, Minneapolis, MN 55419 Fax: 612-823-1590 Free crypto newsletter. See: http://www.counterpane.com

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Mako Capital shares to triple in next few months, projects research company
by gitpro＠mailcity.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Mako Capital shares to triple in next few months, projects research company! Mako Capital intent to merge with Sports Group International and market Spalding Sports Drinks worldwide. OTC BB MAKO 3/4 What do Kiki Vandeweghe, Dorothy Hamill, Joe Namath, Bill Walton, Larry Holmes and Clyde Drexler all have in common? They are all shareholders of a dynamic sports drink company called Sports Group International Mako Capital On October 19, 1998 Mako Capital made a blockbuster announcement that was obviously overlooked by the investment community. Mako signed a letter of intent to merge with Sports Group International. Sports Group is a dynamic company with an experienced, proven management team. Sports Group has revolutionary products in the multi-billion dollar sports drink market. We instantly fell in love with their oxygenated water. This is water with seven times the oxygen of H20. It is a big hit with marathon runners and we feel that there is a huge market for this product. They also have newly formulated sports drinks to satisfy every market. Sports drinks designed for kids, women and bodybuilders. They also have powdered products. The key to this company is that their sports drinks are marketed under the Spalding name. Spalding is one of the most recognized names in sports. You cant buy that type of name recognition. We are told that the company has 1.2 million cases pre-sold for 1999 which should bring in more than twenty million in revenue and 15% in profit (approximately 3 million). That would be better than one dollar per share in earnings. Sports Groups management team is headed by Kiki Vandeweghe, the former NBA All Star and Dean Miller, the star executive of Megafoods. As president of Megafoods, Dean saw the company grow from a couple of stores to 70 stores and $800 million in revenue. Realizing that much of the great success behind Gatorade was the advertising campaign featuring Michael Jordan, SGI has procured promotions and endorsements from athletes who are current shareholders like, Clyde Drexler, Kiki Vanderweghe, Bill Walton, Larry Holmes, Joe Namath, Dorothy Hamill and others. Mako Capital has the right combination of great products, a proven management team and a name recognized around the world, which will lead them into the next millenium. We are looking for the stock to trade $2 - $3 short term and $5 - $7 by summer of 1999. For more information contact: Financial Internet Group 800-959-9122 Disclaimer: Mako Capital has paid Freedom Rock Partners 150,000 shares of free trading stock and options to purchase 100,000 shares at $1.00. For more information please see our disclaimer. NOTE: For those on the internet who do not want to recieve exciting messages such as this..... *We strive to comply with all state and federal laws and to send ads only to interested parties. *This ad is not intended for nor do we knowingly send to Washington State residents. * OR CLICK_HERE_TO_GOTO_REMOVE-LIST.COM (http://remove-list.com) Remove-List is a free public service offering to help the general public get removed from commercial mailings lists and has not sent this message. If you want their help please add your name to their list and we you will not receive a commercial email from us or any other member bulk emailer.

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17 Dec '03

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Non Explosive Weapons
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Richard Danzig, new Navy Secretary, op-eds in the NYT today about the threat of "Non Explosive Weapons (NEW)," posed by WMD and information warfare. http://jya.com/mil-panic.htm He terms them "weapons of mass disruption" which may lead to mass panic and will require the military and law enforcement agencies to unite in a new kind of US national defense, while, you bet, at the same time obeying law against domestic military operations. In passing, he notes that the military has encryption to protect itself against information attacks but that the public and infrastructure does not. Cavalry to the rescue. Danzig's message is remarkably similar to the Kyl report noted here a few days ago, and may indicate what's long been coming in the way of deploying military forces while falsely proclaiming Posse Comitatus is being fulfilled. Or that the law is about to be changed to meet the urgent threats of the Info Age, media-decorted, to be sure, like WMD Freddy or our own media-terrifying Toto. Bruce Hoffman's recently published "Inside Terrorism," lays out the full panoply of outlaw and lawful terrorism, by groups and nations, cults and religions. Like the "Thugs" of India who killed 1 million over 1200 years -- an impressive persistence. Hoffman claims that terrorism works in most cases. The reasons why have been discussed here, though not his depth and range of successes. And that the military seldom knows what to do about it except to engage in even greater terrorism itself, particularly against perceived supporters of the enemy. That's food for thought for those calling for military protection at home, whether by the military or the increasingly militarized and armed LEAs and support agencies. This linkage of WMD terrrorism and information threats appears to be the policy strategy to demonize information in order to criminalize it. "Information threats" under this policy does not mean anything protected by the 1A or WTO copyright, see how it works, is that clear motherfucker, do you need a missile in the head to get the point you fucking terrorist, read the NEWs, this aint TV Cops, Joe 6-Pack, it's high-tech GI Joe sapping your bunker, night-vision video rolling, family suicide by Semtex.

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Non Explosive Weapons
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Richard Danzig, new Navy Secretary, op-eds in the NYT today about the threat of "Non Explosive Weapons (NEW)," posed by WMD and information warfare. http://jya.com/mil-panic.htm He terms them "weapons of mass disruption" which may lead to mass panic and will require the military and law enforcement agencies to unite in a new kind of US national defense, while, you bet, at the same time obeying law against domestic military operations. In passing, he notes that the military has encryption to protect itself against information attacks but that the public and infrastructure does not. Cavalry to the rescue. Danzig's message is remarkably similar to the Kyl report noted here a few days ago, and may indicate what's long been coming in the way of deploying military forces while falsely proclaiming Posse Comitatus is being fulfilled. Or that the law is about to be changed to meet the urgent threats of the Info Age, media-decorted, to be sure, like WMD Freddy or our own media-terrifying Toto. Bruce Hoffman's recently published "Inside Terrorism," lays out the full panoply of outlaw and lawful terrorism, by groups and nations, cults and religions. Like the "Thugs" of India who killed 1 million over 1200 years -- an impressive persistence. Hoffman claims that terrorism works in most cases. The reasons why have been discussed here, though not his depth and range of successes. And that the military seldom knows what to do about it except to engage in even greater terrorism itself, particularly against perceived supporters of the enemy. That's food for thought for those calling for military protection at home, whether by the military or the increasingly militarized and armed LEAs and support agencies. This linkage of WMD terrrorism and information threats appears to be the policy strategy to demonize information in order to criminalize it. "Information threats" under this policy does not mean anything protected by the 1A or WTO copyright, see how it works, is that clear motherfucker, do you need a missile in the head to get the point you fucking terrorist, read the NEWs, this aint TV Cops, Joe 6-Pack, it's high-tech GI Joe sapping your bunker, night-vision video rolling, family suicide by Semtex.

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Link test [1432]
by William H. Geiger III 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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DES Trolls
by Eric Cordian 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Vin McLellan, apparently not satisfied with only one flame, makes this response to a very conveniently appearing anonymous remailer troll saying something silly about Matt Blaze: > The real Matt Blaze would also not be making these absurd and false > claims that some mysterious "book" describing a cryptosystem identical > or equivalent to the RSA public key cryptosystem was published "years" > before Ron Rivest, Adi Shamir and Len Adelman first published their > RSA PKC algorithm in April, 1977. (It's well documented in the > Cypherpunk archives, Codrian assures us;-) Here the disingenuous Vin gives his own description of my prior post, which he then proceeds to loudly refute, and I certainly didn't use the word "identical" or the word "equivalent." I stated that descriptions of "that which is now known as RSA" have appeared in print, and that the one-way characteristics of the RSA trap-door function were also previously known. The arguments for invalidation of the RSA patent were based on two central claims. First, that work which contained similar material was distributed by preprint and presented at conferences more than one year before the RSA patent was applied for. This would include the Diffie-Hellman paper on "Multiuser Cryptographic Techniques", the early Merkle-Hellman work, and the Pohlig-Hellman work. The second claim that may be made against RSA is that the system is "obvious." Support for this claim may be found in books dating all the way back to the 19th century which discuss both the cryptographic usefulness of one-way functions, and the factorization of the product of two primes as one example of such a function. Quoting "Cyberlaw": "There are a number of references in the prior art, moreover, to using the problem of factoring composite numbers in cryptography, dating back to the 19th century. "In 1870, a book by William S. Jevons described the relationship of one-way functions to cryptography and went on to discuss specifically the factorization problem used to create the "trap-door" in the RSA system." > There was no such book. Cordian's statement is just not true. Only a complete moron would place himself in the position of trying to prove such an all-encompassing negative. > (Actually, I'd bet that even Robert Hettinga knows that this is > untrue.) People_insulted_by_Vin_in_this_thread++; > The real Matt Blaze would not have 15 donors -- as Mr. Cordian reports > -- but be stimied on how to get five more. If you had correctly read the FAQ, you would see that we have 5 sponsors, and 15 open sponsorships. We are not stimied, we are writing and debugging many thousands of lines of extremely complex code, and do not wish to be distracted by further marketing activities at this time. > I wish Mr. Cordian well in his algebraic attack on DES All together now. "Bwahahahahahahhahaahah!" This concludes my response to Vin, who may now return to his regularly scheduled trolling lessons. Now, if this weren't all hilarious enough, Matt Blaze, who is usually smarter than this, feels an urgent need to leap in with... > Whatever this is about, however, I assure you that any use of my name > in connection with a solicitation for funds for some sort of > "analytical DES cracking" effort, or any suggestion that I'm involved > in such a project, is absolutely false and perhaps fraudulent. Let me state for the record that the DES Analytic Crack Project has made no claims about any of the prople working on it, other than that they are competent implementors of complex algorithms. Matt Blaze is not associated with the project, and if any other crypto notables wish a similar public statement made about them, they have only to email and request it. Sponsorships for the project are being solicited on the basis of the statement of work in the FAQ, and work product to date. They are not being solicited based on any representation that various individuals with recognizable names are associated with the project. Anonymous trolls making such allegations, followed by irate rebuttals by shills, and scientists who should know better, are clearly an attempt at disruption. Continued such antics will be met with an appropriate legal response. -- Sponsor the DES Analytic Crack Project http://www.cyberspace.org/~enoch/crakfaq.html

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Plug: Check out wasp.org...
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

http://www.wasp.org/ is a site which belongs to WASP's author, and DBS and DCSB member, Steven Smith. When it's finished, the current version is about 70%-there alpha, WASP will be an open source web application delivery platform written in JAVA for XML/HTML. Steve and I were talking about using WASP for digital commerce, financial cryptography, and dbts applications Friday night, at Anthony's Pier 4, during the Constitution Yacht Club awards banquet. (Naw, not *that* kind of yacht club. CYC, while I'm plugging things, for those of you who sail in Boston, charges all of $75/yr, and it mostly does <very friendly, but hotly contested :-)> 'round-the-bouy races and cookouts, all out of a one-room prefab houseboat clubhouse tied up at the Constitution Marina in Charlestown. Steve graciously answered a cattlecall on the DCSB list for crew this summer, and now does foredeck on Corisan, the 1968 Columbia 38-footer a bunch of us old farts race on every Thursday night in Boston harbor, when it's warm enough to, anyway.) So, seeing that WASP is still being built, and Steve is crypto-clueful, I thought I'd spam the crypto community (and a few others :-)) about WASP so that Steve could get some comments on what he has now, and requests for new stuff he can add to WASP. And, of course, since it's open source, to solicit WASP additions, if WASP indeed doesn't suck, both crypto and otherwise, from other clueful people both inside the country and otherwise. :-). The following is from Steve's FAQ on WASP, sans links, so it might read strangely here in text. Cheers, Bob Hettinga > 1. What is the WASP? > > The WASP is an OpenSourceTM platform (library) for developing complex web >applications. It is written in Java and runs under any system which will >support the Java Servlet API. (eg. Sun's JavaWebServer, Apache (via Live >Software's JRun), NetScape, IIS and others.) > > The current version is: 0.7a. Download it now. I think this is 70% to a >1.0 release. 0.8a will be out by 11/16 and will include the >DataAccessObject (org.wasp.data.*). > > 2. How does the WASP work? > > The WASP parses .wasp files which consist of standard HTML and some >additional XML tags that are used to control the behavior of the WASP. >All .wasp files should be consistent with XML syntax. The WASP allows you >to add new tags and functionality easily. The default set of tags provide >standard script features, including: variable substitution, conditional >processing, looping, dynamic SQL queries (for prototyping only), >interfaces to Data Access Objects, etc. Session management is provided by >the underlying Servlet API and WASP applications have access request, >session, and global namespaces. See the Javadoc. > > 3. Who can use the WASP? > > Anyone can use it for Free! Better yet, you can download the source. >The WASP is released under the Library General Public License (LGPL), so >if you make any improvements to the WASP, the results must be free as >well. WARNING: This software is still alpha stage. It works, but there >are no Makefiles or INSTALL instructions yet. You're on your own. An >example .wasp page will be posted soon. > > 4. Why would I want to use the WASP? > > That is probably the subject for an entire whitepaper which I don't have >time to write. I wrote this software because all the methods I have found >for developing web applications suck in some way or other. Even >monumental OpenSource treasures like Apache and Perl leave something to be >desired when considering a complex application. Before I go trashing >everyone else's stuff though, let me tell you why The WASP doesn't suck: > > It is easily extended so you can make it do whatever you want. It is >written in Java so you can use any server OS or Database. It seperates >HTML from SQL and Java application logic, thereby allowing designers to >design and programmers to program. It is fast and scaleable. It will run >well enough on your hopped up 486 linux box and it will scream on your 10 >CPU Sparc Mega Server. If you run NT, I'm sure it'll work there too. >(Shame on you for wasting good hardware!) It encourages the development of >reusable business objects. It can talk to dynamic data sources/services >that are not SQL-Based! (Important for complex distributed object >applications.) It is OpenSource, so when you run into a bug, you can fix >it! It is comprehendable by any experienced object programmer. (Only >~3000 lines of code) It is Free! > > 5. What's wrong with the other stuff? > > The other standard methods for developing web apps all suffer from one or >more of the following: > > They involve editing single files containing 5 or more programming >lanugages, all with different syntax, and which execute in 5 different >places at 5 different times. They require you to surf the tech-support >websites of your tools vendors hoping for clues to some bug. They yield >unmaintainable / throwaway solutions. They tie you to a single vendor's >hardware, operating system, or database. They force you to use some arcane >GUI environment to create your "application". This process always feels >like Voodoo to me. M1CR0S0F4 R00LZ D00D!!!1!!1!. They cost money whether >they work well or not. > > 6. What can I do for the WASP? > > I will be setting up a database here soon to keep track of a wishlist, >bugs, etc. In the meantime, consult the source code and look for XXX in >the comments. These indicate areas that need work. Obviously, general >stuff like cleaning up error paths/exception handling would help. Anyone >with experience in the area of Enterprise Java Beans who could offer >suggestions on how to implement the Data Access stuff in the approved Java >framework would be greatly appreciated. I understand the EJB isn't baked >yet. I guess I'll buy a book on it after I finish the contract I'm on. > > After the Parser is reworked, the Page cache might be reworked to >serialize and write to disk or use some persistant store. The WASP caches >pages to avoid expensive parsing but I haven't yet measured how much >memory this uses. (RAM sure is cheap these days!) > > Also, if you really want a pure OpenSource stack of software, someone >needs to implement an OpenSource servlet runner. That is truely a >"chasing taillights" problem (as the Halloween Document put it) so it >should be easily enough accomplished. If no one steps up to plate, maybe >I'll get around to it, but don't hold your breath. I'm enjoying writing >WASP applications too much! > > There is a net-CVS repository for the WASP code. Read-only access has >not been set up yet. Contact steven.t.smith(a)pobox.com to obtain access. > > 7. What about the LGPL and Java Virtual Machine? > > I'm no licensing expert. Ostensibly, I want this program to be freely >used and improved while not enriching the lawyers, taxmen and all the >other parties that surround commercial software. Mostly, however, I want >to share this cool program with my friends. If anyone else can use it, >that would be great! If anyone could help me debug it, that would be even >greater! That's why I chose to OpenSource. > > What exactly defines a program running inside a JVM is not immediately >obvious. I just assumed that Java classes are all kind of like libraries. >That's why I chose to use the LGPL. > > In my view, the WASP consists of every class in the org.wasp.* heirarchy. >I don't consider any Data Access code that is specific to your >website/application and which may be "linked" into the WASP at runtime, to >be "part of" of the WASP or create some kind of derivative work. If you >do write additional Taglets which are of general use, I expect those to be >included in the WASP. This is sort of "enforced" by Taglets registering >themselves via code in the main org.wasp.engine.Servlet.init(), thereby, >in my view, making them part of the WASP. Data Access stuff that is >custom to your application can be configured in via initialization >parameters and thusly not considered to be part of the WASP. > > For what it's worth, the more you poke around this stuff, the more you >realize that Software isn't a THING at at all. All those phantasms people >use to think about it are simply anachonistic hold-overs from industrial >era, scarcity thinking. Software Licenses and the businesses they support >begin to look like so many Voodoo incantations and pointless >pontifications about angels on the head of pin. Or worse, they seem like >the rules of a silly boardgame which is played with real money, and in >which the house (government, lawyers, VCs, Investment Banks and corporate >shareholders) always wins. Casinos at least offer better odds. I believe >a programmer is better off figuring out how to get people to actually use >and propagate code in ways that enrich each of us individually and empower >individuals generally. > > 8. Who wrote it? > > Me. (steven.t.smith(a)pobox.com) And whoever I could sucker into helping >me. ;-) See the CONTRIBUTORS file for details. ----------------- Robert A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)philodox.com> Philodox Financial Technology Evangelism <http://www.philodox.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

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Search and Seizure abuse...
by Jean-Francois Avon 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Note to elected officials: please inquire on this event an reply. Thanks JFA ========== forwarded from the Canadian Firearms Digest, V2 #701 ======== Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 15:23:49 -0600 From: Marstar <marstar(a)hawk.igs.net> Subject: Re: Cdn-Firearms Digest V2 #699 I WOULD LIKE TO ADD MY TWO CENTS WORTH, THIS IS A VERY SENSITIVE SUBJECT WITH US.... 1. Ask to see the search warrant. NFA: The searchers are required to SHOW you a COPY of the warrant or TELL you what is in it before executing it, and LEAVE you a copy of it when they leave.. 100% RIGHT, BUT WHEN THE PERSON POINTING THE MP-5 AT YOU TELLS YOU TO SHUT-UP AND MOVE AWAY, WHAT WOULD SUGGEST ?? 2. Ask the person in possession of the warrant to identify himself and all of those with him and to indicate whether those persons are authorized to aid in the execution of the warrant. WITH 40 PEOPLE ALREADY TEARING THINGS APART AND AN ENTIRE SWAT TEAM ON HAND HOLDING YOU AND YOUR EMPLOYEES AT GUNPOINT, THEY REFUSE TO IDENTIFY THEMSELVES, HOW SHOULD WE IMPRESS THEM WITH OUR DEMANDS ?? TO ADD A BIT OF CHALLENGE TO THE AFFAIR MOST OF THE PEOPLE WERE IN CIVILIAN CLOTHES AND WORE NO ID....MOST OF THE TRUCK AND CARS WERE UNMARKED.... HAD WE NOT TAKEN PICTURES WE WOULD NOT EVEN KNOW WHO HAD "VISITED" US. 3. Request time to review the warrant and to obtain advice with respect to the appropriate course of conduct. EXCELLENT IDEA, WHEN I REACHED FOR THE PHONE TO CALL OUR LAWYER TWO OF THE SWAT TEAM SMEMBERS WITH MP-5s POINTED AT ME INSTRUCTED ME "TO GET THE HELL AWAY FROM THE PHONE" THE FACT THAT I TOLD THEM I WANTETO CALL MY LAWYER DID NOT SEEM TO IMPRESS THAT AT ALL.... AS FOR HAVING TIME TO REVIEW THE WARRANT, THEY DID NOT SEEM INTERESTED IN HEARING ANY ARGUMENTS ON THE SUBJECT.... IS THERE SOME OTHER APPROACH I SHOULD HAVE USED ?? 4. Read the warrant carefully to determine: the premises covered WE ADVISED THE OFFICER IN CHARGE THAT THIS WAS INCORRECT...."NOT IMPORTANT" WAS THE REPLY the specific documents or objects it covers WE ALSO ADVISED THEM OF THE ERRORS IN THIS SECTION...."IT DOES NOT MATTER" REPLIED THE ONE IN CHARGE OF THE RAID.... the alleged offence(s) subject of the warrant NEW: Read the DATE and TIMES that the warrant authorizes search. THESE POINTS WERE CORRECT.... Often, the warrant is invalid because they were supposed to do the search YESTERDAY, or EARLIER TODAY, and entry can then be legally refused. CC s. 488 forbids the execution of a search warrant AT NIGHT, unless "(a) the justice [who issues it] is satisfied that there are reasonable grounds for it to be executed by night, (b) the reasonable grounds are included in the Information [laid before the justice to get the warrant], AND (c) the warrant authorizes that it be executed by night." 5. At the same time that the warrant is being reviewed, instruct someone to make the following calls (if not already made): legal counsel I INDICATED ABOVE WHAT HAPPENED WHEN WE ATTEMPTED TO USE THE PHONE, WE WERE SOME TIME INTO THE SEARCH BEFORE MY WIFE WAS ABLE TO CALL OUR LAWYER.... individuals named in the warrant whose offices are to be searched each should be advised that the search is pending and cautioned that they must not remove, alter or destroy any documents or other material in their offices. HEY THAT MANY PEOPLE CARRYING SUB MACHINE GUNS, SHOTGUNS, STUN GRENADES, HANDGUNS, ETC, ETC....HAVE MY INSTANT OBEDIENCE ASSURED.... >NFA: ADD the local news media GOOD LUCK, IN OUR CASE THEY CLOSED OFF OUR ROADWAY AND TURNED AWAY EVERYBODY WHO SHOWED UP.... FEW PEOPLE APPRECIATE THE "HOSPITALITY" OF ARMED POLICE AT YOU GATE.... >NFA: ADD NFA HQ: (403)439-1394 or NFA- (add prov.branch # here WE WERE UNABLE TO CONTACT THE NFA FOR SEVERAL HOURS.... >NFA NOTE: If told that you must sit down and not use the phone, ask: "Am I under arrest?" If the answer is "No, not YET!" then no one has any right to TOUCH you, or to hinder your use of the telephone. WE TRIED THAT APPROACH BUT I'M A CHICKEN AT HEART, TWO MP-5s POINTED AT MY MID-SECTION MADE ME THAT WAY.... If an officer DOES touch you, then ask again: "Am I under arrest?" If the answer is no, then say: "In that case, take your hand off me -- or I will arrest YOU for assault." [Yes, you ARE authorized to do that by Canadian law, CC s. 494(1) and (3)]. 6. Do not "agree" that the search can be expanded beyond the limits described in the warrant. IN OUR CASE THEY DID ABSOLUTELY AS THEY PLEASED, THEY HAD GUNS AND WE DID NOT.... 7. Do not answer any substantive questions. NFA: More people are convicted from what they SAY than from any other cause. You have a right to SILENCE. USE IT. Unless you know as much about firearms law as the NFA does, you have NO IDEA whether or not you ARE guilty - -- because you may SEEM to be guilty, and yet the NFA can often tell your lawyer why you are NOT. YOU ARE QUITE RIGHT, KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT.... 8. Do not attempt to impede, physically or ot otherwise, the person executing the warrant. NFA: That is obstruction, and a criminal offence. AND IF YOU HAVE A PUMPED UP BUNCH OF PEOPLE CARRYING AUTOMATIC WEAPONS WITH FINGERS ON THE TRIGGER DON'T EVEN THINK OF GIVING THEM A PROBLEM.... THESE PEOPLE WILL SHOOT FIRST AND ASK QUESTIONS LATER....THEY PROVED THAT ON A NUMBER OF RAIDS IN THE PAST FEW YEARS.... 9. If any documents exist in respect of which solicitor-client privilege may exist, identify the documents and their location and indicate to the search officer that the documents are subject to solicitor-client privilege and that you require that the appropriate procedures be followed to protect the privilege. OH YEAH, THAT IS GAURANTEED TO IMPRESS THEM, HELL WE EVEN HAVE PICTURES OF AN OFFICER STEALING DOCUMENTS.... 10. Keep an accurate log (or copy) of all documents seized. NFA: the searchers are required to file an "Information" with the court to get a search warrant. Unless the justice blocks it, the "Information" is a public document. After executing the warrant, the searchers must file a "Return" with the court, explaining what they did with the warrant and listing what they took. SO: After being searched, go to the court that issued the warrant and request a copy of the Information and Return relating to that warrant. You should be able to get them for the cost of photocopying, and they are VALUABLE. IN OUR CASE THEY SEALED THE WARRANT THEREBY DENYING ACCESS TO ALL WHO ASKED.... THEY WILL GIVE YOU WHATEVER RECEIPTS THEY FEEL LIKE GIVING YOU....WHEN THEY PLEASE.... ALL OF THE ABOVE INFORMATION IS ACCURATE AND A MATTER OF COURT RECORD. WE CHALLENGED THE WARRANTS AND THEY WERE DECLARED ILLEGAL.... WE CHALLENGED THE RAID UNDER TWO SECTIONS OF THE CANADIAN CHARTER, WE WON.... I THINK WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY IS "DON'T EXPECT THINGS TO GO DOWN IN A SMOOTH AND ORGANIZED MANNER, THEIR PEOPLE ARE RUNNING ON ADRENALIN, YOU ARE UPSET AND NERVOUS, THE HEAD MAN IS TRYING TO IMPRESS HIS MEN, DON'T BE A HERO, DON'T DO ANYTHING STUPID, LIVE TO FIGHT ANOTHER DAY. SORRY FOR DRAGGING ON BUT EVEN AFTER 3.1/2 YEARS THIS EVENT STILL HAS ME FURIOUS. JOHN F ST AMOUR Definition: FASCISM: n.: a political and economic movement, strongly nationalistic, magnifying the rights of the state as opposed to those of the individual, in which industry, though remaining largely under private ownership, and all administrative political units, are controlled by a strong central government. ------------------------------------------------- "One of the ordinary modes by which tyrants accomplish their purpose, without resistance, is by disarming the people and making it an offense to keep arms". - Joseph Story, U.S. Supreme Court Justice. ------------------------------------------------- the German gun control laws were enacted by the "liberal" Weimar Republic government that preceded Hitler, and were a strong aid to his coming to power -- because they disarmed Hitler's opponents, and Hitler's adherents ignored them -- as criminals have always ignored gun control laws. Disarming the public is a frequent first step toward dictatorships and genocides. Once the disarming is complete, the public is helpless against those who have the guns. ------------------------------------------------- "Both oligarch and tyrant mistrust the people, and therefore deprive them of their arms." -- Aristotle, "Politics" ------------------------------------------------- PGP keys: http://bs.mit.edu:8001/pks-toplev.html PGP ID:C58ADD0D:529645E8205A8A5E F87CC86FAEFEF891 PGP ID:5B51964D:152ACCBCD4A481B0 254011193237822C

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update.402 (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 14:04:23 -0500 (EST) > From: physnews(a)aip.org (AIP listserver) > Subject: update.402 > PHYSICS NEWS UPDATE > The American Institute of Physics Bulletin of Physics News > Number 402 November 13, 1998 by Phillip F. Schewe and Ben > Stein > > IMMISCIBLE QUANTUM LIQUIDS. The wavelike overlap of > cooled alkali atoms known as Bose Einstein condensation (BEC) > represents a new form of condensed matter in which physicists can > pursue studies of fluid dynamics, sound propagation, persistent > currents, and many of the coherence phenomena occurring in other > "super" states such as superfluids and superconductors. One notable > BEC innovation introduced in the past year by Wolfgang Ketterle > and his colleagues at MIT was the development of an all-optical trap > (Update 362) which can hold condensate atoms in a number of > distinct (hyperfine) internal states. And just as helium-3 (which has > a magnetic substructure) is a more complex superfluid than > nonmagnetic helium-4, so the multi-component MIT condensate > ought to exhibit behavior not seen in single-component BEC. > Indeed, at the New Horizons in Science meeting in Boston last week > Ketterle reported that when he immersed his BEC in a uniform > magnetic field and a stream of radio waves, those portions of the > condensate in different hyperfine states (m=0 and m=1) quickly > segregated themselves into alternating domains (differing in energies > equivalent to only a few nanokelvins) as if they were oil and > vinegar. Furthermore, these layers unexpectedly persist; in effect > this arrangement of the condensate constitutes a metastable > macroscopically occupied excited state. > THE ARROW OF TIME has been directly measured by two groups > of physicists, one at CERN in Geneva > (www.cern.ch/cplear/Welcome.html) and one at Fermilab > (http://fnphyx-www.fnal.gov/experiments/ktev/ktev.html) near > Chicago. Time reversal (T) is one of those symmetries, along with > charge conjugation (or C, the operation which turns particles into > antiparticles) and parity (or P, the reversal of a particle's > coordinates from x,y,z to -x,-y,-z) that were once thought to be > preserved in interactions at the atomic level. But then experiments > showed that P, C, and the combination CP were not sacred. And > since the triple symmetry of CPT is still thought to be valid, T by > itself was thought to be vulnerable. That is, it is not thought that > physics does differentiate between the forward or backward > movement of time. The two groups have now seen evidence for this > T violation in the observed decay rates for neutral K mesons. > (Science, 2 Oct.; Science News, 31 Oct.) > SONIC BANDGAPS, frequency ranges in which sound waves are ____________________________________________________________________ Lawyers ask the wrong questions when they don't want the right answers. Scully (X-Files) The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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