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Re: John Gilmore is playing with himself
by nobody＠replay.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

frantz(a)netcom.com (Bill Frantz) wrote: >At 6:15 AM 11/24/96 -0500, aga <aga(a)dhp.com> wrote: >>On Sun, 24 Nov 1996, John Anonymous MacDonald wrote: >actually the message was from lucifer(a)dhp.com: > >>> aga <aga(a)dhp.com> writes: >... messages suppressed You bet they want to suppress the truth about them being faggots! Faggot John Gilmore does NOT eat pussy. He only eats asshole if it's got a big dick up in front. Whoever calls Gilmore bisexual is a fucking liar. John likes to suck cocks at his San Fransicso bathhouse (the Toad Hole). >It looks like our juvenile "friend" is talking to himself. I am truely >sorry that he feels a need to harass ladies who have actually made ^ >something of their lives. Gilmore's friends try to drag every lady Gilmore knows into this shit. Gilmore is a fag. Gilmore does NOT eat pussy. Not Denning's, not Dyson's. >------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Bill Frantz | The lottery is a tax on | Periwinkle -- Consulting >(408)356-8506 | those who can't do math. | 16345 Englewood Ave. >frantz(a)netcom.com | - Who 1st said this? | Los Gatos, CA 95032, USA You can say that again, good buddy. diGriz

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Re: Exon Countdown Clock and farewell messages
by azur＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

This is a draft of my letter to our dear retiring senator. Any suggested improvements? ------------- Honorable Senator Exon, Although in all likelyhood you will never read this memorandum, I wish to express my sincere regret at your retirement and thanks for your many years of ignoble service to our nation misrepresenting the wishes of your constituents. You have served as a stallwart against change as did those who resisted the telephone, automobile, radio, television and computer (to name but a few) before you. You are a champion of politically correct thinking and behaviour, perhaps the most dangerous manifestation of an American trend to intolerence and obedience to social rules. It is a shame we will not have your carcass to kick around in the halls of Congress come next term. All the luck you're due. -- Steve Schear

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public
by rudd_a＠alph.swosu.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I am new here, and I was wondering, why are there still stupid, immature people on line who have the audacity, here in the 90's, to still call people a "cocksucking faggot". I mean no offense here, but please, stop using such offensive words! Thanks.... As I said, I am new here, and am a libertarian/anarchist who wants the government to butt out of our lives...I am very interested in privacy, and am also against censorship. I hope there are others out there who feel as I do, but if not, I guess I'll find out I'm on the wrong place!! :-) Anyhow, I hope you can welcome a Cincinnati goth who lives in Oklahoma...thanks!!....Amy **************************************************************************** ***** * * It's better to regret something you did than something you * * didn't do. * * * * * ********************************************************************************

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Re: IPG Algorith Broken!
by paul＠fatmans.demon.co.uk 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> The algorythm cannot be considered secure until it has been > peer-reviewed. They refuse to release the algorythm for review, simply saying > that "you can't break the code" therefore "it is secure". This isn`t strictly true. Don Wood (spit) has actually released the algorithm details for review. It`s just that no-one considers it even worthy of looking at. I wearily downloaded the details then realised I had better things to do than sift through pages of pompous self important drivel about "software one time pads." Datacomms Technologies web authoring and data security Paul Bradley, Paul(a)fatmans.demon.co.uk Paul(a)crypto.uk.eu.org, Paul(a)cryptography.uk.eu.org Http://www.cryptography.home.ml.org/ Email for PGP public key, ID: 5BBFAEB1 "Don`t forget to mount a scratch monkey"

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Provably "Secure" Crypto (was: IPG Algorithm Broken!)
by nobody＠cypherpunks.ca 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 12:28 PM 11/25/1996, Dana W. Albrecht wrote: >For an (again, non-cryptographic) example of a proof of the second sort >--- that is, that "any algorithm that solves a given problem requires a >minimal running time" --- consider the proof that the "minimal" number >of key comparisons in the worst case required to sort a random list of >elements for which only an ordering relationship is known is O(nlog(n)). >See Knuth, Volume 3, section 5.3. For a simpler example, a standard >"binary" search which requires O(log(n)) comparisons to find a given >element in the worst case is provably the optimal algorithm for this >task. What is the longest running provably optimal algorithm? Would it be possible to construct a crypto system from it? A relatively weak crypto system which is provably no weaker than it appeared would have its uses. >Comments, anyone? Congratulations on your excellent post. diGriz

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re: sci fi
by Ken Kirksey 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>(Where would this world be without Mark Twain (a nym for >Samuel Clemmens), Maxwell Grant (the nym for Walter B. Gibson and others >for the Shadow pulps), and the thousands of other nyms that appear in the >publishing field?) Heinlein used a few nyms. His best stories were published under the names Robert Heinlein and Anson Macdonald. The Heinlein/Macdonald split came about because John W. Campbell didn't want it to look like _Astounding_ was being dominated by one other, though the quailty of the stories was about the same. (All but a couple of dthe Future History stories were published under one of these names, but I don't remember which). Heinlein used other nyms for stories of lesser quailty, or stories he sold to other markets in genres other than sf. He created one nym to sell off stories that he described as "stinkeroos", and went so far as to get a separate PO Box in the name of this nym so that it couldn't be associated with Robert Heinlein. Ken

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Re: Bounty Server, Revisited.
by Matthew J. Miszewski 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

(snip) > BTW, bid to do what? Using market terminology, I have assumed thay > bid is to buy, that is provide cash. Offer is to sell, that is provide > software. Ah, yes, bid is add to bounty. (snip) Ian and Snow, I think it would be extremely valuable to have the ability to "offer" and to "bid". If Joe Student has much spare time and wants to develop a tool for themselves they should also have the option to "offer" it to the bounty server. If any one is interested, offers could be made. Good luck to you both. This sounds like it is coming along. > TTFN > iang. Matt _________________________________________________________________________ Matthew J. Miszewski | <mjmiski(a)execpc.com> Practice Crypto Civil Disobedience | Export your favorite Cryptosystem ------------------------------------------------------------------------- print pack"C*",split/\D+/,`echo "16iII*o\U@{$/=$z;[(pop,pop,unpack"H*",<> )]}\EsMsKsN0[lN*1lK[d2%Sa2/d0<X+d*lMLa^*lN%0]dsXx++lMlN/dsM0<J]dsJxp"|dc`

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Re: Provably "Secure" Crypto
by nobody＠cypherpunks.ca 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 4:18 AM 11/26/1996, Peter M Allan wrote: >> Which part of this have you failed to understand? Look in section 5.3.1 >> of Volume 3 of "The Art of Computer Programming" by Knuth. You will find >> there a rigorous proof that the "information theoretic lower bound" of >> an algorithm which sorts by comparison of keys is O(nlg(n)). >That is a bound on a _reliable_ algorithm. A faster one is to shuffle >the elements and present it as sorted. Lightning fast, but only with >low probability of correctness. That is what we are up against in a key >search attack. The other guy just might guess my 100 bit key first time, >millionth time or whatever - early enough anyway. >So to get a lower bound you have to show that a lucky guess cannot be >distinguished from an unlucky one - and if you do that without a one >time pad I take my hat off. If the chance of a successful guess is absurdly low, the algorithm can be considered to be secure. It is quite unlikely that you will guess a random 128-bit key. Hence, you could have a secure algorithm in which a successful guess can be distinguished from an unsuccessful one. diGriz

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Re: wealth and property rights
by Clay Olbon II 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 12:46 PM 11/27/96 -0800, Dave Kinchlea <security(a)kinch.ark.com> wrote: >On Wed, 27 Nov 1996, Clay Olbon II wrote: >> >> The average welfare benefit (including food stamps, medicaid, and all the >> other myriad programs) is $10/hr. Compare to a minimum wage of $5/hr. >> Offer most welfare recipients a minimum wage job and they will laugh in your >> face. (In fact, here in Michigan most employers are already paying several >> $$ above minimum wage, and often these jobs are unfilled). > >I am not in a position to argue with you, I simply don't have the facts. >My question is, do You? can you cite where this figure came from, it >sounds like Republican rhetoric to me. Of course, I will point out, that >minimum wage is simply not enough to feed a family. It is (or at least >it should be) reserved for single folks just starting out. Can't give you the exact date, but it was an article in our local paper (The Detroit News). The $10 figure is not exact, as the actual number varies from state to state, I remember that number as being about average. >> >> More bullshit. You don't know what anyones motives are. To ascribe your >> >> motivations to Bill Gates is unrealistic. >> > >> >But you claim to know the motives of those on welfare: pot->kettle->black >> >> I don't claim to know the motives. I am examining empirical evidence. As > >Sure you do: "economic decision to do nothing and go on welfare vs. >going to work". It seems to me that you are claiming their motives are >econmic, is there some other way we should read that sentence? You got me there :-) >It takes an awful lot to prove a causal relationship, empirical evidence >notwithstanding. You haven't made your case, as far as I am concerned >(not that you need to convince me), there are a myriad of other factors >involved. I have no doubt that given two (or three) poor choices, most >will choose the lesser evil and that *may* mean choosing welfare over >working, but I seriously doubt that this is anything but a small >minority of the cases of people who are actually using the system. > >You suggest that what ought to be done is give less welfare. If your >thesis is correct, I suggest that better paying jobs is the real answer >(assuming you agree that minimum wage is too little for most to live >on). Shrinking welfare payouts may serve to get people off welfare but >it won't make it any easier to live on low wages. We DO have a duty to >help our neighbours, do we not? Or has greed taken over entirely? I don't mind helping my neighbors. Of course, they live next door and I know them! The problem is that the welfare creates a system where behaviour that is generally bad for society is subsidized. The incentives are all wrong. And no, I don't think the minimum wage should be increased either. Increasing the minimum wage at a time when you are pushing people off of welfare is the wrong action, because it decreases the number of jobs available. Clay ******************************************************* Clay Olbon olbon(a)ix.netcom.com engineer, programmer, statistitian, etc. **********************************************tanstaafl

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Re: Bounty Server, Revisited.
by Omegaman 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> The objective is to actually bring this system online. "cypherpunks write code." good. > Background: > > There is a lot of software floating around. It basically falls into > 5 catagories: Commercial, Shareware, Freeware, Gnu (and other > "Copyleft" schemes) and Public Domain. > <Need to fill this in, but at this point we all know what the 5 types > are> > > It is the "Copylefted" software that interests me at this point. There > is quite a bit of high quality "Gnu" software, and at least one > operating system based on the GNU mentality (linux) however there > is a dearth of _enduser_ tools such as mail and news readers for > the more popular end user operating systems, word processors and > graphics editing software, easy to use Graphic Design Software (TeX > is NOT easy to use) and easy to use Cryptographic software. many would pay good money for Linux native versions of programs like Wordperfect, Corelpaint & draw, Pagemaker , etc. > 4) Desired "quality" level: Proof of Concept, Alpha, Beta, Release etc. Needs flesh. What defines "alpha" or "beta" for purposes of bounty or is that up to the person initiating the bounty? > 6) Where the initiators money is to go if the bounty is not claimed: > I will provide a short (8 or 10) list of charities that the money > will go to if the bounty is not met. This is to keep the initiator > honest, as well as the server. Each contributor will also get this > choice. Do you have the charities in mind? They should be listed in the abstract, I think. Who will be publicize the initial bounty offer -- the server or bounty initiator? Information about a specific software project will need to be disseminated beyond bounty.org. More details on conflict resolution are needed in a final draft. The process and priorites the server administator will use to make his judgements should be abastractly discussed and possibly 1 or 2 specific hypotheticals detailed. me -------------------------------------------------------------- Omegaman <mailto:omega@bigeasy.com> PGP Key fingerprint = 6D 31 C3 00 77 8C D1 C2 59 0A 01 E3 AF 81 94 63 Send a message with the text "get key" in the "Subject:" field to get a copy of my public key. --------------------------------------------------------------

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