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Objet Trouve from talk.religion.newage
by lefty＠apple.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

If this _is_ Detweiler, he's getting quite a bvit stranger... >Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage >Path: >gallant.apple.com!trib.apple.com!agate!darkstar.UCSC.EDU!news.hal.COM!olivea!ch >arnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!csusac!csus.edu!netcom.com!nym >From: nym(a)netcom.com (Sue D. Nym) >Subject: Re: Light & Love to Jupiter! >Message-ID: <nymCszrzw.G71(a)netcom.com> >Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) >X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] >References: <3040nf$oor(a)triton.unm.edu> >Date: Fri, 15 Jul 1994 17:16:43 GMT >Lines: 15 > > >I was just thinking that the collision of the comet with jupiter seems >to be to be symbolic of a sperm colliding with an egg. > >I was reading recent forwarded Ashtar channelings which stated that >the collision will create a sort of new harmonic resonance in this >plane. that explanation seems intuitive to me. the whole solar system >is going to ring at the striking of the bell, the `blaring of the >first trumpet' (which someone was claiming this constitutes). > >p.s. could someone familiar with the Revelations describe some of >the symbolism of the trumpets? -- Lefty (lefty(a)apple.com) C:.M:.C:., D:.O:.D:.

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Re: Jim Bell Complaint
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

William Geiger wrote: >After reading the complaint I have to say that with friends like that >who needs enemies? True, if that's what the friends actually said, and if they were not induced to do so by being fed lethal information: don't go down with Bell, protect yourself, spill your guts. Recall that John Painter spoke to one or more of them and they hedged the remarks of the complaint, but he, too, saw the makings of a deal in the affadavit's allegations. Turning friends against friends is pretty common in investigations, using threats and promises of relief from possible charges, even saying that your friend is squealing on you. I was struck by how similar some remarks attributed to Bell were to those attributed to McVeigh, not that they were not made, but that the investigators chose to select just those to indicate lethal intent. The possible link between the McVeigh trial and Jim Bell's bust could indicate how the feds are itching to attack every advocate of anti-gov mayhem (no pun Tim). The IRS searching the Internet for incriminating advocacy is a warning of what's to come, as often predicted here. Time to study and ponder the 1st Amend -- which, by the way, Matt Blaze did at the NYC crypto forum last night to challenge Charney and Denning. Matt pulled out a copy and cited it, which may be a good indication of what he knows that we don't about what's coming.

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Police & military access
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi, It occured to me that if the police have no civil liberties extending beyond that of a citizen and citizens are not legaly permitted access to military hardware then neither should the police. If this applied then it would not be legal for police to have access to any sort of communication or encryption technology that was not available to the normal citizen. If a police officer can buy body armor and automatic weapons for self defence then so can a citizen. If a police officer can search a suspect for weapons "to protect their person" and confiscate or otherwise remove them from the immediate vicinity then a normal citizen should require a police officer to do the same. In other words, once it is established that the suspect is not armed the police officer should be required to place their weapon in their vehicle or othewise secure it off their person. etc. etc. So, the question of the hour is: Do police have any civil rights not endowed to a individual citizen? Jim Choate CyberTects ravage(a)ssz.com

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Re: Police & military access (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 23:23:31 -0700 > From: Kent Crispin <kent(a)songbird.com> > Subject: Re: Police & military access > > Do police have any civil rights not endowed to a individual citizen? > > No. But on the job, doing their state assigned duties, they have > access to instrumentalities not available to private citizens or > off-duty police. "On" and "off" duty may sometimes be a little fuzzy > in practice, but the principle is clear. It isn't a big deal, and > it's not a matter of civil rights. Which principle is clear? That police like to confuse the issue as much as possible to their advantage? Of course it is a matter of civil rights. The police are a representative of the CIVIL authorities, you have truly missed the entire point of the constitution. > A license to practice medicine > gives you the ability to prescribe morphine. A certain class of > drivers license lets you drive a school bus full of children. True, but there is NO law that can dictate which doctor I choose let alone if I choose one at all. At least there I have a choice, because of this the comparison you are trying to draw is broke. Jim Choate CyberTects ravage(a)ssz.com

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New FLA
by j.hastings6＠genie.geis.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The computer-designed replicant, Kent Borg, writes: >We need another TLA? >I propose: TPD: Terrorists, Pedophiles, and Drug-dealers. No, we need another FLA: TPMD: Terrorists, Pedophiles, Money-Launderers, and Drug-dealers. The Treasury's IRS and Customs collectors are really concerned that the rich will evade their fair share of taxes. We'll accomplish something if we can discredit tax collection. Billions of unregulated dollars will destabilize foreign democracies. Corrupt regimes may enact strict bank secrecy laws. These new evil dictators may not cooperate with income tax investigations. Send the Marines and the ATF now!!! Yes, a horde of Islamic fundamentalist, child molesting, dope smoking, welfare chiseling tax cheaters may soon cross our borders. There is only one way to repel this invasion. We must give up our infantile obsession with Liberty. The President's responsible leadership with the Clipper chip and Digital Telephony will protect us from certain doom. Let's unite under Uncle Sam's infobahn jackboot, install Big Brother's interactive video cameras in our homes, and embrace the new national socialist health I.D. internal passports without complaint. Then we can be happy. The one true Kent - j.hastings6(a)genie.geis.com Proud to have watched 1,743.21 hours of Beavis and Butt-head this week

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Re: Hashed hash
by kentborg＠world.std.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Ben.Goren(a)asu.edu foolishly says: >I'm planning on implementing the "cryptographic protection of databases" And wonders about the hash being too fast to compute, that a brute-force traversal of the database would be too easy. The idea is then to hash a bunch of times to burn CPU cycles, but what if the hash is a group, extra hashing could be reversed quickly. (Did I get that right?) Well, as the LOUD proponent of making secret keys s-l-o-w-e-r to decrypt, I have thought about this a bit, and have a suggestion: Hash once, then do a zillion encryptions of the hash with a non-group cypher like DES. Another idea (something I have thought less about): send every legit user of the database a custom version with the parts encrypted with that user's public key--and do the trick mailing list companies use, scatter some dummy info in the list. When a dummy (not just me) gets a junk mailing, go beat up on the user who's copy had to have supplied the junk. Not perfect: combinations of dummies are needed in case the junk mailer cracks multiple copies (multiple work) and then trys to sift unique dummies that way. Another problem: it is expensive to monitor the dummies. (1990's biz opportunity?, the monitoring of data that no one is supposed to have.) -kb, the Kent who doesn't want to be thought of as only a card player -- Kent Borg +1 (617) 776-6899 kentborg(a)world.std.com kentborg(a)aol.com Proud to claim 35:00 hours of TV viewing so far in 1994!

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CPP: Card Playing Protocol
by kentborg＠world.std.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Having reread pages 78-81, I guess pagers, usenet, and slow email are pretty much out. I looks like I am going to have to track down the proceedings from Crypto 85, 86, and 87. (Still in print? Expensive??) All the main sources seem to be in them. Though all the applicable literature talks of playing poker, it seems more general and politically wiser to talk about playing cards. Besides, "PPP" is already in big-time circulation meaning "Point-to-Point Protocol", "PP" for "Poker Protocol" is only two letters--of course verboten. "PGP" for "Pretty Good Poker" would only get Phil's lawyers after me. That leaves "CPP", for a nice wholesome card game. -kb, the Kent who might actually do it -- Kent Borg +1 (617) 776-6899 kentborg(a)world.std.com kentborg(a)aol.com Proud to claim 32:00 hours of TV viewing so far in 1994!

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Travel Deal$
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17 Dec '03

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More Sky Station Info
by Steve Schear 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 08:11:54 -0700 >Subject: More Sky Station Info >From: "Dewayne-Net Information List" <dewayne-net(a)odo.warpspeed.com> >To: dewayne-net(a)warpspeed.com (Dewayne's Wireless News List) >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Precedence: Bulk >Reply-To: dewayne-net(a)warpspeed.com > >>> The FCC just approved Sky Station International, a plan to provide >>> T1-level service (1.5Mbps) to your laptop via giant "weather balloons." >> >>http://www.fcc.gov/Bureaus/International/Public_Notices/1996/pnin6060.txt >>http://www.fcc.gov/ib/wrc97/texts/iwg1-m3.txt >>http://www.fcc.gov/ib/wrc97/texts/iwg6-m5.txt >>http://www.fcc.gov/ib/wrc97/texts/iwg6-m3.txt >> >> The stations themselves will be platforms held at a height of >> approximately 100,000 feet by lighter-than-air craft and station-kept >> by corona ion engines. > >-- >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Dewayne Hendricks, WA8DZP ! AOL: HENDRICKS >Warp Speed Imagineering ! Internet: dewayne(a)warpspeed.com >43730 Vista Del Mar ! Packet Radio: WA8DZP @ K3MC.#NOCAL.CA.USA.NOAM >Fremont, CA 94539-3204 ! WWW: <http://www.warpspeed.com/> >Fax: (510) 770-9854 ! >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > PGP mail preferred Fingerprint: FE 90 1A 95 9D EA 8D 61 81 2E CC A9 A4 4A FB A9 Key available on BAL server, http://www-swiss.ai.mit.edu/~bal/pks-toplev.html --------------------------------------------------------------------- Steve Schear | tel: (702) 658-2654 CEO | fax: (702) 658-2673 First ECache Corporation | 7075 West Gowan Road | Suite 2148 | Las Vegas, NV 89129 | Internet: azur(a)netcom.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- I know not what instruments others may use, but as for me, give me Ecache or give me debt. SHOW ME THE DIGITS!

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Re: Leaving the Country
by frissell＠panix.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 03:50 PM 7/15/94 -0500, Benjamin McLemore wrote: > >*New Hampshire--alcohol sales (state run liquor stores), anything else? >*Alaska--lots of oil. All the New England States including Taxachussets have State Liquor Stores. NH has the cheapest booze of the lot and even entreprenurially advertizes to encourage the residents of other states to save money at their stores. Actually lots of states had no sales and income taxes when I was born and yet life somehow went on. People may have even been happier (or more satisfied). DCF "Sunday is the 200th anniversary of the Whiskey Rebellion. Our last chance to avoid a strong federal system. Have a rye whiskey in memorium."

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