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Re: Giving Kill Files a Workout...
by Alan Olsen 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 08:48 AM 11/16/96 -0800, Dale Thorn wrote: >Alan Olsen wrote: >> What a week! What is this? "Net Loon pig-pile on Cypherpunks day?" >> So far i have killfiled three people in the past two days. (That is the >> total number I filtered to trash before that date.) >> For those of you who are sick of wading through this mess, I am willing to >> show you what it will take to filter those of your choice to /dev/null or >> its local equivelent. (procmail can be your friend!) > >Thank you in advance for your filtering instructions (yawn). > >BTW, why would anyone give a shit whether you killfiled anyone or not? The point is not who or what I care to killfile. The idea is that it can be done by most people without a whole lot of hastle. There are a number of people who do not have experience in setting up procmail. I am offering to help them out in the hope that it will strain out some of the resultant noise from these "Freedom Knight" loons. (Or at least keep a number of people from dropping the list from the bogosity.) I suspect I am in a number of killfiles already... --- | "Remember: You can't have BSDM without BSD." - alan(a)ctrl-alt-del.com | |"The moral PGP Diffie taught Zimmermann unites all| Disclaimer: | | mankind free in one-key-steganography-privacy!" | Ignore the man | |`finger -l alano(a)teleport.com` for PGP 2.6.2 key | behind the keyboard.| | http://www.teleport.com/~alano/ | alano(a)teleport.com |

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RE: ideal secure personal computer system
by John Fricker 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>Igor Chudov @ home (ichudov(a)algebra.com) said something about Re: ideal secure personal computer system on or about 11/16/96 7:41 AM > >Bill Frantz wrote: >> Protection against strangers walking up to your machine and using it is >> nice, and easy to do. Protection against viruses which install Trojan >> horses in your system would also be nice, but is very hard to do in systems >> where programs run with all the privileges of their users. Examples >> include (in alpha order): DOS, MacOS, Unix, and Windows (including NT). > >I wonder what are the operating systems where programs may be run with >_less_ privileges than the user who starts them? Is VMS one of such >systems? > >thanks > > - Igor. >End of message In WinNT a program may impersonate a user such as Guest. Also, trojan horses are ineffective in NT as typical users do not have write permission to system binaries. --j ----------------------------------- | John Fricker (jfricker(a)vertexgroup.com) | -random notes- | My PGP public key is available by sending mail with subject "send pgp key". | www.Program.com is a good programmer web site. -----------------------------------

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Fat Cocksucker John Gilmore-ASSHOLE!
by aga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Fri, 15 Nov 1996, Mike McNally wrote: > Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 09:03:48 -0600 > From: Mike McNally <m5(a)tivoli.com> > Reply-To: freedom-knights(a)jetcafe.org > To: aga <aga(a)dhp.com> > Cc: freedom-knights(a)jetcafe.org, Dave Hayes <dave(a)kachina.jetcafe.org>, > declan(a)well.com, InterNet Freedom Council <ifc(a)pgh.org>, > cypherpunks(a)toad.com > Subject: Re: THAT is what makes John Gilmore an ASSHOLE! > > aga wrote: > > > > No it ain't; not after the list gets so big. Public newsgroups > > lose all rights of censorship by the owners, and that is law. > > Guffaw, guffaw. > PUKE , PUKE !!! You are a stupid bastard to laugh. > (So what if John decided simply to pull the plug on toad in order to > plug in a new hot tub?) > So what the fuck? That matters not. The point is that the cypherpunks is an "all or nothing" proposition. There is no "in between" allowed any more. After a certain level, EVERYTHING reaches the "public doamin," and that is the *common-law of cyberspace.* Like, why is the fatso John Gilmore out here talking about this? Steve Boursy says all of this should go to UseNet, so it goes. > ______c_________________________________________________________________ > Mike M Nally * IBM % Tivoli * Austin TX * How quickly we forget that > mailto:m5@tivoli.com mailto:m101@io.com * "deer processing" and "data > http://www.io.com/~m101/ * processing" are different! > We want John Gilmore to respond to this censorous matter on the net. -aga

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Re: Censor John Gilmore -- EFF is a disgrace!
by George A. Stathis 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 05:24 ðì 16/11/1996 -0500, Tim Scanlon wrote: >Stephen Boursy wrote, along with a horde of others with no lives: >[lots of worthless crap snipped out] As an aside, some of this "worthless crap" written by Stephen Boursy and "others with no lives", happens to contain jewels of wisdom and humility such as the following: (cut and pasted from another posting): >> P.S. I never understood the (American?) preoccupation about... "putting >> out flames". If I find flame-messages boring, I don't read them! >> If anyone insults me, I reply; If anyone speaks nicely, I also do. >> The (American?) preoccupation about flames conceals a deep _fear_ >> of freedom, freedom of the other person's freedom. > > > This is very true. I'm worried about the US--our lack of respect >for free speech--our extremely poor social services for the poor, etc. >It is not a country I'm proud of at the moment. Much of what is >praised about the US--our stability of government--is our downfall--we >should be able to toss a government like we have out on its ass and >string up the leaders on telephone polls. Are you aware... tiny Tim, that Stephen Boursy's comment should make Americans feel PROUD, and that his response to my rant made me think a LOT? Perhaps learning from the humility and wisdom of others has also been banned inside your... tiny-Tim brain cells. Happy Recovery Geirge

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Re: Giving Kill Files a Workout...
by cvhd＠indyweb.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 01:52 AM 11/16/96 -0800, you wrote: >What a week! What is this? "Net Loon pig-pile on Cypherpunks day?" >So far i have killfiled three people in the past two days. (That is the >total number I filtered to trash before that date.) >For those of you who are sick of wading through this mess, I am willing to >show you what it will take to filter those of your choice to /dev/null or >its local equivelent. (procmail can be your friend!) >Maybe after some creative filtering, the list will settle back to the usual >noise, instead of the net-loon noise. As the smoke from the first rounds of cyber-gunfire of the Gilmore vs Vulius shootout were wafting thru C-space several of us were bemoaning the fact that the entire issue hadn't been handled thru creative filtering on the part of list members as opposed to the heavy-handed "Big-Bro'ish" plug pulling by Mr. Gilmore. The "net-loon noise" level increase was predictable. Like you I will continue to perform creative filtering in order to extract the 4 out of 240 messages worth reading in any given 48 hour period. cvhd

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Giving Kill Files a Workout...
by Alan Olsen 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

What a week! What is this? "Net Loon pig-pile on Cypherpunks day?" So far i have killfiled three people in the past two days. (That is the total number I filtered to trash before that date.) For those of you who are sick of wading through this mess, I am willing to show you what it will take to filter those of your choice to /dev/null or its local equivelent. (procmail can be your friend!) Maybe after some creative filtering, the list will settle back to the usual noise, instead of the net-loon noise. --- | "Remember: You can't have BSDM without BSD." - alan(a)ctrl-alt-del.com | |"The moral PGP Diffie taught Zimmermann unites all| Disclaimer: | | mankind free in one-key-steganography-privacy!" | Ignore the man | |`finger -l alano(a)teleport.com` for PGP 2.6.2 key | behind the keyboard.| | http://www.teleport.com/~alano/ | alano(a)teleport.com |

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National Emergency
by Hal Finney 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Michael Froomkin posted to the cyberia list a pointer to the Clinton administration's new export policy. He has a copy on his web site at: <URL: http://www.law.miami.edu/~froomkin/nov96-regs.htm >. The thing I found interesting is that it refers to the fact that we are currently living under a state of national emergency! I searched on the whitehouse web site and couldn't find the executive order referred to (maybe it was classified) but did find this one: For Immediate Release June 30, 1994 Executive Order #12923 - - - - - - - Continuation Of Export Control Regulations By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, including but not limited to section 203 of the International Emergency Economic Powers Act ("Act") (50 U.S.C. 1702), I, William J. Clinton, President of the United States of America, findthat the unrestricted access of foreign parties to U.S. goods, technology, and technical data and the existence of certain boycott practices of foreign nations, in light of the expiration of the Export Administration Act of 1979, as amended (50 U.S.C. App. 2401 et seq.), constitute an unusual and extraordinarythreat to the national security, foreign policy, and economy of the United States and hereby declare a national emergency with respect to that threat. Apparently this state of emergency is still in effect. This is what gives the President the power to unilaterally make changes in the export policy. It would be nice if our congresspeople would take some responsibility in this matter. Hal

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Exploring hooks in MSIE
by Dietrich J. Kappe 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

A little bird told me that MSIE has Javascript hooks that allow a site to check whether all Microsoft products on a client machine are properly licensed. Has anyone investigated the Javascript (err, Jscript) implementation in MSIE to see if this is true? The same little bird told me that MS is building some use of this "feature" into their Websites. Can any MS consultants corroborate on this issue? This is just a rumor. The names of the birds have been changed to protect the innocent. DJK

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Re: NT insecurity
by Adamsc＠io-online.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Sat, 16 Nov 1996 17:00:56 -0500 (EST), Michael H. Warfield wrote: > Hooo Hummm... Another one... >> Given the recent comments about insecure machines, I thought it was >> interesting to note that you can clear *every* password on an NT box by using >> a diskeditor to corrupt the password file (Boot off of a floppy and use >> NTFSDOS if you have to). It'll reboot several times and then you'll be >> allowed to login. > Much as I absolutely detest NT, lets reitterate what everyone else >on this list has already heard too TOO many times... If you have physical >access to the machine, it ain't secure. It doesn't matter what operating True. However, as has been reiterated many times, NT is being marketed as a secure platform. Unix people tend to know that you need to work to secure it. MS hype might lead some of the non-cypherpunk admin types to believe it's secure. Trust me. I hear from these people all the time! # Chris Adams <adamsc(a)io-online.com> | http://www.io-online.com/adamsc/adamsc.htp # <cadams(a)acucobol.com> | send mail with subject "send PGPKEY" "That's our advantage at Microsoft; we set the standards and we can change them." --- Karen Hargrove, Microsoft (quoted in the Feb 1993 Unix Review editorial)

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It Used to Be Eric's Inscrutable Deficiency
by blanc 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In glancing through and deleting so many messages about how blasphemous and perverted John Gilmore is for having "censored" one list afficionado (more symbolically than in actual fact), I am amused to recall that it used to be Eric Hughes who was the bad guy identified as the Egotistical Slave Master who abused his ownership privileges. Now he's left the list, it is JG who gets the drift & drivel about list management. Strange, too, that those who clamor for freedom of speech are accusing JG of being contrary to his principles. They expect that just because individuals should be at liberty to speak, everyone must therefore be prepared to tolerate all manner and kind of insults against themselves (or be a passive witness to it). In that case, it would mean that because individuals are to be free "to do" as they will, therefore that courtesy and manners are no longer valid, that high standards of personal behavior are not important, that self-command is not required, that exercising one's best judgement is of no practical value for life in the real world. It would mean that in the environment of liberty, it would be incorrect for individuals to prevent assaults against themselves or their morals, against their personal preferences, or against their choice of topics for a discussion list which they started. This would mean that, for instance, it wouldn't be right for free individuals to prevent from being sexually molested, because it would be "censorship" against the perpetrator. These complaintants against censorship must not understand the purpose for freedom of action, of expression, etc.; that they do not understand the need for being "free": it is so that one may, without interferance from uninvited participants, engage in arranging the elements of one's existence for the greatest benefit to oneself. Tolerating insulting drivel does not fall into that category. The environment of liberty to express oneself also permits the exercise of the highest logic possible to an unfettered intelligence. Filling up the mailing list with irrelevant accusations about bizarre sexual practices is not of any logical benefit towards enlightenment on the subjects of encryption or privacy. .. Blanc

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