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Re: big word listing
by hal9001＠panix.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 02:06 7/22/95, Alex de Joode wrote: >Jim Gillogly sez: > >: Also you should be aware that cracking passwords is passe' these days: >: it's much easier to run an ethernet sniffer and gather them wholesale. >: Every little bit helps, though. > >Is there a "challenge response" type of password/login available >somewhere ? There is the S/Key system. The system sends you an iteration number and you send back the responce that results (by feeding the iteration number into a program that runs on your computer). The other side then iterates what you send once to check against its computed PW. Every challenge counts the number down one step so replay does no good (since the actual PW for the this attempt is what you sent as your response during the prior cycle and there is no way to crack the code even if you know a sequences of responses [you need to know the seed that will generate the PW the challenger is looking for when they do one iteration of the encoding]).

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ObCrypto
by merriman＠arn.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>From the Aug/Sep 95 edition of PC Techniques magazine, 'End' feature by Jeff Duntermann except as noted, any typos or other errors are my own. ============================================================================ =========== Zhilchistan on the Hudson Remember central Asian genius Vasily Ovariaidt of Zhilchistan? ("Zhilchistan Moon," December/January 1994.) In my admittedly goofy idea piece, Ovaraidt basically took over the the world by exporting /privacy/ instead of yak hides, and ended up with much of the global economy passing through his hands - minus, of course, his 1 percent service charge. With income tax rates in some Western nations way up in the 70 percent range or worse, there was a /lot/ of reason to work through Zhichistan. Now hey - why leave such a scheme to a tinpot dictator from the steppes? We could do it right here, do it better, and make it stick for all time - and dump the IRS in thr process. Nay, we could /export/ the IRS, and get top dollar for it from backward countries who think they can prosper by punishing the industrious. I'm serious this time. Here's the deal: For maybe the cost of a dozen stealth bombers, the U.S. could create a satellite-based electronic funds transfer system that could literally pass every single financial transaction in the world through its hands every day. Computability isn't the issue. It's simple arithmetic and bandwidth. The quality of the hardware - that is, communications technology - dictates the success of the systems. Nobody does that better than us. On the surface, the purpose of a government-owned central system would be authentification of transactions. (Do you /really/ trust Vassily Ovaraidt?) If Uncle Sam puts his stamp on it, the transaction is probably real - and few will twitch at the .05 percent service charge. This can be valuable even if you're in England and buying a bicycle from the shop across town. Build it, and they will come running from every corner of the Earth - /if/ we can somehow guarantee that we won't snitch to the home boss. The only way to do that is to design absolute anonymity into the system from the ground up, and eliminate our own mechanism - the IRS - for tracking incomes. That's being discussed right now, on both the Democratic and Republican sides of the fence, because it's far from clear that American's hate anything - even poor Bill Clinton - worse than the IRS. No really new technology is involved. Public key certificate authorization can do it; see Schneier's /Advanced Cryptography/ [sic]. Money from all over the world would flood into the system, generating direct benefits from revenues levied on the the transfer, and then indirect benefits of foreign cash invested in a U.S. that doesn't snoop. This system really doesn't favor the rich against the poor. Why? Because it taxes the /velocity/ of money - and the rich's money moves around a lot more than the poor's. By that I mean that a guy who buys a chicken at Safeway pays one tax one time, but a rich guy's money chases all over the world looking for the highest return. Freed from physical constraints and regulation, that money could move from one place to another a couple of times a day, and anonymously drop .05 percent in the government's hands at each transfer. Want to lower your taxes? Leave your moeny in one place for longer periods of time. I would bet that we wouldn't need anything like the 20 percent replacement Federal sales tax now being discussed; we would be taxing the total cash flow of most fo the world's supply of rich guys. In fact, after a year or two, we might not need to levy a federal sales tax on own citizens at all. Sure, it's devilish. The harder other governments squeezed their people, the richer America would grow. Whole governments would fall. Freedom and privacy would be required for a foreign government to compete. In other words, we would save the world. If I live to see that, I don't much care what else I /don't/ live to see. ============================================================================ ========== This is a test (3 UUE lines) of the unconstitutional ITAR - 1/713th of the PGP executable. See below for getting YOUR chunk! ------------------ PGP.ZIP Part [015/713] ------------------- M=$<(&L`#*IPP",(G6(,,S,`P](<2RWU96XCW86/JBYV8A\D8@X'HB_9H#&\X MX'PCUB.,13B"X8`R?^J-:UB.M_`U\>[#)BS&5$0C,Y#^1CS>1`\T1QTXX6!3 M8H,),S$8G>&.WP(8IRA`-M['+`Q%&_C"">5-F%LX@<_Q$;*P'',Q$Z/AA[8M ------------------------------------------------------------- for next chunk to export --> http://dcs.ex.ac.uk/~aba/export/

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Remailers & local newsgroups
by Checkered Daemon 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Do any of the posting remailers accept the inclusion of regional usenets in their active files so that people can use them to post directly to regional newsgroups? -- The Checkered Daemon cdaemon(a)goblin.punk.net

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Re: Government Mandated Keys
by tcmay＠sensemedia.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 2:42 PM 7/22/95, Dan Bailey wrote: >On Wed, 19 Jul 1995 11:39:07 -0700 you wrote: > >>At 11:02 AM 7/19/95 PDT, rick hoselton wrote: >>>I want to register the 1-bit key of "1". I expect to >>>send about half my message bits encrypted, the rest will be clear-text. >> >>Oh, go ahead, register 0 also. You'll probably want to switch keys >>occasionally during sessions. > >Actually, why don't we just register our favorite geometric constant, >pi? Assuming it's non-repeating, and non-terminating, you're >guaranteed that whatever key you end up using will be somewhere in pi. Reasons this won't work: 1. The Real Reason: It's terminally cute, and terminally cute arguments rarely stand up in court. 2. The Technical Reason: As I recollect, it is unproven that "any sequence of digits will appear in pi someplace." (It may be expected that any finite sequence will eventually appear, but I'm unaware of any proof, and I have reason to suspect such a proof might be impossible.). A wise-ass judge--not that any court in the rational (or irrational) world would ever deal with this--could demand proof. 3. The Legalistic Reason: The "key registration" law would likely be phrased in terms of direct opening of messages, not existential trickery about "the set of all keys." I urge that we deal with key registration on more plausible bases than trickery and sophistry. (How may keys can dance on the head of a PIN, and all.) --Tim May .......................................................................... Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)sensemedia.net | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero 408-728-0152 | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Corralitos, CA | black markets, collapse of governments. Higher Power: 2^756839 | Public Key: PGP and MailSafe available. "National borders are just speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Re: speeding detected by civilians
by btmoore＠iquest.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- At 02:01 PM 7/13/95 -0700, Vladimir Z. Nuri wrote: >hate to start another endless thread on speeding limits, but >this is an interesting privacy anecdote... hope this hasn't >been posted here. > > >=== > >From: "Steven M. Horvath" <horvath(a)comm.mot.com> >Subject: Speeder's Beware of Vernon Hills, IL. >To: snet-l <snet-l(a)world.std.com> > >- - -------- FYI------------------FYI--------------------FYI----------------- > >Vernon Hills, IL. > >Vernon Hills, Illinois, a Chicago suburb, has passed legislation allowing >citizens to check out radar guns from the local police department to >catch speeders in their community. The radar guns are combined with >cameras in order to instantaneously capture the car, license number, and the >rate of speed. The citizens can check out the units for a week at a time. The >police have stated that they, at this time, will use the data to issue >warning letters to the violaters. > > > > > > >- ------- End of Forwarded Message Actually... this sounds like a GREAT IDEA!!! Do you know how many cops you could catch with one of those??? I cannot count the times I've had cops go by me at speeds in excess of 80 mph without lights or sirens! Everyone ought to check one of those things out, catch the cops and turn it in to your local media establisment! Benjamin T. Moore, Jr. btmoore(a)iquest.net (Jian #AJF - IRChat) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBMBMV/4SAJOVFNaChAQEO0wf/W8Nudez5Xu6+VqomN6jlE5aKixkNz59M UTh9y57zRMuYr1sE1abqr90kmANwo6bG8CmOmn1CS9vnGjvhzO4MeJJGfsc3elwT EMXTJy4Er5DPoswqUehNKghKvoNEvxL0+CUcTVjkMNCrOt6O5oetUq4hzPBKwC8a G98Mk8uTZ64YpU1IIZQmHaZrUgA0DpV2tDFA3vX4dSxpeKYP0EHmEIeV1jL8kax+ /DQqYYzYaQYGjfA7bAo6d9jBJkjlPqSYiJVnjTKSScqF7ke31nPfNMCC1B+XdhpQ G7+rDEcyFubj0awwV8liYE7dnM3j0wxAy9hb0fzNINUv5xNjbj3KTA== =sx7M -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Something occured to me
by us009440＠interramp.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- At 10:54 PM 07/22/95, Lucky Green wrote: > >In article <199507221725.NAA18382(a)bb.hks.net>, jburrell(a)crl.com ("Jason >Burrell") wrote: > >>The pity, of course, is that we can't get Exon for passing around a book >>that he said contained child pornography, since he's immune while he's on >>the Senate floor. > >Wouln't the book become part of the Congressional Record? I'd love to know >what Exon considers child pornography. > It would seem to me that, while the book may become part of the Congressional record, the contents will somehow be redacted. After all, isn't redacting the number one hobby in D.C.? Regards, Fred -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMBJh0VSU4cVs4SvxAQGxPwQApiNjMcn+3V9fA5kDdt3+AduGR2zyzl7X vcIiJBC/yHQas9d26sW6dJw+EFgF1pOhRBvUARGApgRjESU5amrNXfnEtr3kGUAM lHkQ475mnNorQeALUgPvdpFJ6QsZLKBZ3oakKj7C+jlzSO55XCmSIaOwTXvdD3Tj sq9a+KcJD9M= =E16K -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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OVR_byt
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

7-23-95. NYPaper "True Believers Gather To Honor White Race: Aryans Open Annual Congress in Idaho. Angry outbursts, and an increasing focus on Hitler and Nazi ideals." White supremacists from around the country and Canada gathered here this weekend for the Aryan World Congress, an annual celebration of the white race and anti-Semitism. The congress is being held at a time when Federal lawmakers are pushing to learn more about white supremacists, paramilitary organizations and other fringe right-wing groups following the Oklahoma City bombing. NAZ_raz "The Unending Search for Demons In the American Imagination. Pick a villain. The Jesuits? The arms makers? The U.N.? Or maybe you like Ike." Today's militia members aren't the first to warn that plots are eating at America. There's a familiar ring to much of their fear. A vast array of Cassandras echo through American history. Through the centuries the vlllains of the pieces have shifted -- from Masons to Catholics to Jews, for example -- but the alleged plots also have a lot in common: a foreign (or otherwise alien) connection, a tie to big money, a secret organization more powerful than any state. IFU_knu "Attack of the Cyberthieves, and Other Assaults." Cyberthis. Cyberthat. Could it all be cyberhell? As we venture through the digital gates into information heaven, it might be wise to recall earthly matters. Like theft, for starters. NFO_rip Tri-Lat: OVR_byt

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NOISE: advice on applications
by Allen Robinson 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I've just recently set up a PPP account, mainly so I could run Netscape. I'm thinking of adding PC Eudora for mail. Any advice on a good newsreader and any other applications it would be handy to have? Thanks. AR [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] "Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one." - Thomas Paine, _Common Sense_ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Allen Robinson..................................sebaygo(a)intellinet.com PGP public key AD022AA9 fingerprint 5A3BC05B2EC67724 F5664A20AEEAB07A

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Re: HOUDINI ON CRYPTO
by Robert A. Rosenberg 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 23:53 7/22/95, Samuel Kaplin wrote: >On Sat, 22 Jul 1995, Sandy Sandfort wrote: > >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> SANDY SANDFORT >> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >> >> C'punks, >> >> Blanc wrote: >> >> >> PRSRVYPRFCTMNVRKPTHSPRCPTSTN >> > .................................... >> > >> > It looks to be something like this to me: >> > >> > PRESERVE YE PERFECT MEN ?VR? KEEP THIS PERCEPT (or PRECEPT) SATAN >> >> Close, very close. >> >> >> S a n d y >> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >Preserve ye perfect men ever keep the precepts ten > >(As in Commandments!) In that case you gave an incorrect message to decode (by adding vowels) since your expansion/decode had no S between the TH of "THe" and the PRCPTS of "PReCePTS" <g>.

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RE: Netscape the Big Win(dows)
by rah＠shipwright.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- At 12:32 PM 7/21/95, Timothy C. May wrote: > >No, I don't use any of the "-works" apps, and I think the success of the >Web speaks for itself... This is not a view I have just come to, as my >recent message shows. Agreed. My posting seemed to get stuck in the response queue to the original post, and came out a little "dated", I guess... > >And I'm not wedded to "Netscape" per se, though that particular environment >has the current momentum. I've also used Mosaic and MacWeb to do much the >same things, but find Netscape smoother. I agree. By far the best web-browser out there is Netscape. They don't call it Mozilla for nothing. > >Out of curiosity, the phrase "grown out of Netscape," aside from the >implied barb, means what? Just what am I missing and what do I need to >"grow out of"? No. That seems to be my unintentional verbal style on the net, a little prickly around the edges. My actual barbs are so over the top that you'll never misunderstand them for their subtlety. What I mean is, that after you've used Netscape, a web client, to read news for a while, you'll start to think about more specialized applications like Newswatcher, for instance. The reason that Netscape has either built-in news reading or mail reading functions is feature creep. My hypothesis is that feature creep is brought about by some combination of venture capitalists, securities analysts, and "real marketing people", all of which Andreasson at Netscape has in spades, now, all with their chins on his shoulder saying, "That's nice, what else will it do?". In-line gifs or jpegs (or mpegs or whatever) are integral to the function of seeing what's on the web. So are in-line FTC, Gopher, etc. I think. My opinion about e-mail and news are that they're pretty orthogonal to the functionality of a web-browser. Kind of like building wheels on a boat. >If, perchance, this is just what of those throwaway barbs, implying I move >from fad to fad (as Fraering's post implied), you should know that I stuck >with tin/elm/emacs/Eudora for more than 3 years, as nothing obviously >better--and worth the learning curve to switch to--had come along. (In the >Mac domain I used other programs, none of them "-works" packages.) No, Tim, your mother does *not* wear army boots. ;-). I just have several friends who recently moved to a TCP net feed and thought they only needed Netscape. That is, until they used Eudora, and/or Newswatcher (preferably in it's "value added" editions), and switched to them instead for their respective purposes. >But, I'll tell you what, I *will* tell you about it in 6 months, whether or >not I've grown out of Netscape! Of that we can rest assured. :-). Cheers, Bob Hettinga -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMBLOsPgyLN8bw6ZVAQEzbAP/eosm6SNC1TdvduCWlPVO9WDbqlAcQtvj jL+jsy0QjEgMNwsGQGCQBAHMXxtOJC2GPC+lGVfGZcTDFljvgzhBJc2/QWI0mQcK Jz/vdYGfxhkBSlW0Xm+zcilmyYgvMr/KeIeJUcExYyVSSWpof7fuSG6jkfVmTWZ5 JDSHHd922U4= =ipGf -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) Shipwright Development Corporation, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA (617) 323-7923 "Reality is not optional." --Thomas Sowell >>>>Phree Phil: Email: zldf(a)clark.net http://www.netresponse.com/zldf <<<<<

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