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RE: CDA Strikes.
by Chris Grantham 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

So true, so true. Where on earth does the Government get the idea that they have the obligation or for that matter, the right to play parent. *sigh* Chris ---------- From: Ludwig von Drakenberg III[SMTP:drake@servidor.dgsca.unam.mx] Sent: Monday, February 26, 1996 1:19 AM To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com Subject: CDA Strikes. Read this in http://www.zippo.com/editor.htm. > So what's the plan....man ? > > So the CDA has come to pass and we need to move on. People will test the > constitutionality of bits and pieces of the Telecom Law, a conservative > supreme court will find the law valid, or refuse to review it. Things will never > be the same. For those who think they will be, or the for the" Don't worry, > President Clinton won't enforce the law" crowd, Friday marked the first arrest > under the new law. They picked an unsympathetic figure, twice before > convicted child pornographer, and got him for illegal data transmission over > the Internet. > Next time it won't be such an unsympathetic figure. It will be some ISP, > minding their own business, not knowing they have a user that didn't read the > rules. They'll spend a year in federal court, defending their postion based on > not knowing they comitted a crime. In the end, they will win, but they'll be > broke, and out of the business. Won't happen to large providers, too political, > and they have the resources to do all of the CDA compliance window decorating. -- Ludwig von Drakenberg III God *is* the dice of the universe. drake(a)servidor.unam.mx My goddess gave birth to your god. Facultad de Ciencias, UNAM Fuck the CDA -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6 mQCNAzExbCgAAAEEAONJqT5AeaOg29oT2WXzpgkMQ/BxZXCiduJsOAWRRIPlkOQc 7RN2ooQKJmvHamhoaXktoIbmpK3fkPoEt4OONDtncmOKQKKKl9BgifUW9lO1msRp W0WIGZ9wTlX/1j6RTcdAEEWqWlBi4xz8A7a3MJdoIANPOV1Zs6HEQwyN9No5AAUR tCpFZHVhcmRvIEVzY2FsYW50ZSA8ZHJha2VAc2Vydmlkb3IudW5hbS5teD4= =nmxM -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----

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Re: Ass. Politics
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- At 10:51 PM 2/25/96 -0500, David R. Conrad wrote: > >Salman Rushdie, in a speech I heard several years ago, said that it was >widely doubted that Iran would or could actually come up with the three >million dollar bounty on his head. >This may play a large part in why he is still around. A few people who basically seem to oppose my idea ("Assassination Politics") try to use the Rushdie example as being some sort of "evidence" why it wouldn't work. ("If Rushdie is alive years later, with a few million on his head, that proves assassination doesn't work...") I, on the contrary, believe that it actually SUPPORTS my theory: Clearly, nobody has trusted Iran's leadership enough to genuinely believe he would be able to collect the reward, and thus the apparently size of the reward is discounted in people's minds. When I respond to these objectors, I point out that if Iran was REALLY serious about expecting to see Rushdie dead, they would have long ago set up some sort of system, analogous to AsPol, that would allow an anonymous assassin to kill Rushdie and collect the reward, guaranteed, without risk of exposure. Clearly, that hasn't happened. (I think we would have heard about it if it had.) This doesn't make the Iranians any more "civilized," obviously, it just means that they are either less competent or trustworthy about achieving their goals (or are seen to be so), or that they really don't want to/can't pay anybody the money for Rushdie's death. I don't recall every seeing anyone even attempt to contradict this counter-argument; they always agree that nobody really believes anyone can safely and reliably collect the Rushdie reward. Needless to say, this raises serious doubts about the competence of many objectors to critically analyze the issues in AsPol. It would be interesting to get Rushdie's opinion about AsPol. It's understandable if he had an initial feeling of revulsion about such a system, on the other hand he should recognize that this system would also allow opponents of the Iranian government to eliminate those who called for his death in the first place. It is reasonable to suppose that had this system been functioning years ago, Iran's government would have been taken down long ago. >I think all the analyses of the economic costs of protecting one person >vs. protecting many people are rather beside the point, in light of this. I agree. AsPol will work even if a few people can be protected, and protecting many people is simply not an option. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMTJ0NPqHVDBboB2dAQGLmAP/dAPz0FrZNT12NjEvkXuXm5JHVbdJPwDq JhwDBTAReTOirpNJ8mcgn8KN4hsL5rK5Qwyp+7YO3xRPMh39HPH2uBpq63/RZn2p uu7eXmrR4HQMKhuK5XReYJtARdPdTgL/F3cmMr1TNUW7M+aJikGo4b1OEycIYNdo Aa1o/peUXlw= =059O -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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RC
by A. Padgett Peterson P.E. Information Security 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

And might I point out that "RC" has been the registered trademark of the Royal Crown Bottling Company since long before Mr. R... P.fla

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CDA Strikes.
by Ludwig von Drakenberg III 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Read this in http://www.zippo.com/editor.htm. > So what's the plan....man ? > > So the CDA has come to pass and we need to move on. People will test the > constitutionality of bits and pieces of the Telecom Law, a conservative > supreme court will find the law valid, or refuse to review it. Things will never > be the same. For those who think they will be, or the for the" Don't worry, > President Clinton won't enforce the law" crowd, Friday marked the first arrest > under the new law. They picked an unsympathetic figure, twice before > convicted child pornographer, and got him for illegal data transmission over > the Internet. > Next time it won't be such an unsympathetic figure. It will be some ISP, > minding their own business, not knowing they have a user that didn't read the > rules. They'll spend a year in federal court, defending their postion based on > not knowing they comitted a crime. In the end, they will win, but they'll be > broke, and out of the business. Won't happen to large providers, too political, > and they have the resources to do all of the CDA compliance window decorating. -- Ludwig von Drakenberg III God *is* the dice of the universe. drake(a)servidor.unam.mx My goddess gave birth to your god. Facultad de Ciencias, UNAM Fuck the CDA -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6 mQCNAzExbCgAAAEEAONJqT5AeaOg29oT2WXzpgkMQ/BxZXCiduJsOAWRRIPlkOQc 7RN2ooQKJmvHamhoaXktoIbmpK3fkPoEt4OONDtncmOKQKKKl9BgifUW9lO1msRp W0WIGZ9wTlX/1j6RTcdAEEWqWlBi4xz8A7a3MJdoIANPOV1Zs6HEQwyN9No5AAUR tCpFZHVhcmRvIEVzY2FsYW50ZSA8ZHJha2VAc2Vydmlkb3IudW5hbS5teD4= =nmxM -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----

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Re: Remember, RC4 is now PC1 (fwd)
by Alan Olsen 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 09:08 PM 2/26/96 -0500, you wrote: >The latest version of ssh has something named "arcfour, which is a >cipher based on a usenet posting in Spring-1995. It is widely >believed and has been tested to be equivalent with RC4. (RC4 is a >trademark of RSA Data Security." Then they will get sued by SeaWare saying it conflicts with their trademark for .arc format compression. Maybe someone should go into the business of "Trademark Collision Insurance(tm)". It seems that no matter what you do, everything(tm) is trademarked nowadays. (TCMAY(tm) and "Cypherpunks(tm)" are a trademark of "Tentacles R Us(tm)", a division of "Evil Incarnate International(tm)".) | Remember: Life is not always champagne. Sometimes it is REAL pain. | |"The moral PGP Diffie taught Zimmermann unites all| Disclaimer: | | mankind free in one-key-steganography-privacy!" | Ignore the man | |`finger -l alano(a)teleport.com` for PGP 2.6.2 key | behind the keyboard.| | http://www.teleport.com/~alano/ | alano(a)teleport.com |

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Re: Ass. Politics
by tbyfield＠panix.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 7:02 PM 2/26/96, jim bell wrote: >>Salman Rushdie, in a speech I heard several years ago, said that it was <...> >A few people who basically seem to oppose my idea ("Assassination Politics") >try to use the Rushdie example as being some sort of "evidence" why it Has anyone considered using jim bell as a source of randomness?

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SSH for Windows update?
by Ed Carp 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The SSH Windows client stopped working on Feb. 9. Anyone either have another version that works now or another SSH client for Windows? Anyone know if Tatu's client is ready yet? Thanks in advance. :) -- Ed Carp, N7EKG Ed.Carp(a)linux.org, ecarp(a)netcom.com 214/993-3935 voicemail/digital pager 800/558-3408 SkyPager Finger ecarp(a)netcom.com for PGP 2.5 public key an88744(a)anon.penet.fi "Past the wounds of childhood, past the fallen dreams and the broken families, through the hurt and the loss and the agony only the night ever hears, is a waiting soul. Patient, permanent, abundant, it opens its infinite heart and asks only one thing of you ... 'Remember who it is you really are.'" -- "Losing Your Mind", Karen Alexander and Rick Boyes The mark of a good conspiracy theory is its untestability. -- Andrew Spring

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Perl T-shirt makes the big time
by anon-remailer＠utopia.hacktic.nl 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Spotted in an NSA contractor's office: a column from InfoWeek or some such rag about the RSA-Perl T-shirt. Said column hijacked May's idea that shirting was trivial and turned it on ear-- ITAR is routinely being violated and no one cares. NSA-heads said they got article by fax from the Death Star in Ft. Meade. Wonder how many black-clad Perl-toters there are on the reservation.

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FWD> ADMIRAL WILLIAM O. STU
by Dave Banisar 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Mail*Link(r) SMTP FWD> ADMIRAL WILLIAM O. STUDEMAN Gee I guess we can trust these guys.... ---- CONCORD, Calif., Feb. 28 /PRNewswire/ -- Premenos Technology Corp. (Nasdaq: PRMO), a leading provider of electronic data interchange (EDI) software solutions for electronic commerce applications, today announced the election of Admiral William O. Studeman, U.S. Navy-retired, to its Board of Directors effective immediately. Studeman will also act as consultant on special projects including security and encryption issues. Admiral Studeman, age 56, is the former Deputy Director of Central Intelligence and served for five months in 1995 as the acting Director of Central Intelligence. He retired from the Navy in October 1995. Prior to his assignment at the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), Studeman was the Director of the National Security Agency (NSA), and before that was the Director of Naval Intelligence. In these positions, Studeman was involved in attempting to develop public policies and technologies that addressed the complex and often conflicting issues of enhanced economic competitiveness, law enforcement's warranted requirement for information transparency in pursuit of criminal investigations, national security interest in combating potential information warfare threats, and the country's overall increased need for enhanced protection of its information-related systems and applications. In commenting on his election to the Board of Premenos, Studeman stated that "Premenos is not only a leader in facilitating the promising future of electronic commerce, it is the first company in the marketplace with a product line for enhanced protection, security and integrity for the Internet and other electronic communications-related business transactions." Studeman added, "In working with Lew Jenkins and others in the company, I have an opportunity to better frame the government-industry dialogue and define the infrastructure, standards, regulatory, technical and other directional factors which must be addressed for electronic commerce -- a rapidly evolving industry segment so fundamental to the future of the American lifestyle and national security." Lew Jenkins, chairman and founder of Premenos said, "The infrastructure for moving critical business data over the Internet is crucial to the success of electronic commerce. We welcome Admiral Studeman to our team and look forward to his help in developing a trusted model for the electronic commerce market and establishing a solid infrastructure similar to the stringent military requirements that have been in place for decades." About Premenos Corp. Premenos is setting the agenda for electronic commerce and EDI through open networks such as the Internet. Premenos EDI software is an enabling strategy for transforming how corporations conduct business in extended enterprises using electronic communications. Templar -- a suite of software and services that enable businesses to send and receive EDI documents securely and reliably over the Internet -- was awarded the EMA '95 Electronic Commerce Product Excellence Award recognizing the most innovative new product debuted at EMA's annual conference. Premenos products support the IBM AS/400, RISC System/6000, HP 9000, SunSparc, Windows 3.x, NT and Windows 95. Premenos has a worldwide presence with sales offices in California, London and Paris. Contact Premenos World Wide Web (WWW) home page at http://www.premenos.com to access over 3000 pages of information on electronic commerce, EDI, standards, as well as Premenos corporate information materials. NOTE: Premenos is a registered trademark of Premenos Corp. All other product and company names are trademarks of their respective corporations. CO: Premenos Technology Corp. ST: California IN: CPR SU: PER

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Re: "Physical Reality"
by Duncan Frissell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 08:41 AM 2/28/96 +1100, Mark wrote: >I dislike having to follow up something so unrelated, but the bad boys are the >criminals, the song is about what will you do when the cops come for you. >The cops are not the "bad boys" in the song. Trust me. > >Mark > Actually, the song is deliberately ambiguous. Because the phrase "Bad Boys" is repeated at both ends of the verse, you can't tell whether it refers to the cops or perps or both. I don't know the origin of the song but I recall in life or in fiction a special (Las Vegas?) police unit that called itself the Bad Boys. Certainly the Bad=Good reversal is well established in popular culture. DCF

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