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Routing around damage
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Remember "the internet interprets censorship as damage and routes around it"? I'd be happy with an internet that interprets DAMAGE as damage and routes around it. >A minor construction accident in San Jose, California, caused >three hours of Internet slowdowns this morning, especially for >those trying to connect to and from West Coast Web sites. >Backbone Internet providers route requests and information >through about a half-dozen network access points (NAPs). >When one has a problem, it can affect the entire Internet.

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McCain Open to Key Recovery Alternative
by Alan 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Lets try that again... http://www.wired.com/news/news/politics/story/5133.html McCain Open to Key Recovery Alternative by Rebecca Vesely 3:06pm 11.Jul.97.PDT Senator John McCain, sponsor of legislation that would create a domestic key recovery system for all encrypted commercial transactions and personal communications, said Friday that he is open to hearing alternatives to such a plan. "We are not wedded entirely to key recovery," the Arizona Republican said in an interview. McCain, chairman of the Senate Commerce, Science, and Transportation Committee, and Senator Bob Kerrey (D-Nebraska) introduced the Secure Public Networks Act last month. Privacy advocates and much of the high-tech industry oppose domestic key recovery on grounds that it would violate civil rights and be impractical and expensive to build and manage. McCain said he met with Microsoft representatives recently to discuss a new technology being developed by the software giant that could be less intrusive and problematic than key recovery. The senator also said he plans to meet with Netscape officials next week to discuss yet another alternative. Officials from Netscape were not immediately available for comment. "I'm saying, OK, if you have another solution, I'd like to hear it," McCain said, though he stressed that protecting national security remains his "first obligation." The McCain-Kerrey bill includes provisions for setting up a voluntary domestic key recovery system, including incentives for those who participate. Critics say participation in the key-management infrastructure wouldn't really be voluntary - it would be a prerequisite to conducting electronic commerce. Encryption, or data-scrambling technology, is widely viewed as the cornerstone to e-commerce because it conceals credit card numbers and other personal information traveling over networks. Key recovery, as outlined in the bill, would create a system of certificate authorities to whom users would give a copy of their data keys. Law enforcement could then access that copy of your key through a court order. McCain's flexibility on the issue could influence the debate over how to protect national security while allowing a free market to flourish in the digital age. Just two days ago, at a Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on the bill, FBI director Louis Freeh testified on the need for mandatory domestic key recovery, and some senators on the committee, notably the chairman, Orrin Hatch (R-Utah), seemed to agree that some sort of domestic key recovery is needed to allow law enforcement to wiretap suspect digital communications and transactions.

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McCain Open to Key Recovery Alternative by Rebecca Vesely 3:06pm 11.Jul.97.PDT Senator John McCain, sponsor of legislation that would create a domestic key recovery system for all encrypted commercial transactions and personal communications, said Friday that he is open to hearing alternatives to such a plan. "We are not wedded entirely to key r
by Alan Olsen 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

http://www.wired.com/news/news/politics/story/5133.html McCain Open to Key Recovery Alternative by Rebecca Vesely 3:06pm 11.Jul.97.PDT Senator John McCain, sponsor of legislation that would create a domestic key recovery system for all encrypted commercial transactions and personal communications, said Friday that he is open to hearing alternatives to such a plan. "We are not wedded entirely to key recovery," the Arizona Republican said in an interview. McCain, chairman of the Senate Commerce, Science, and Transportation Committee, and Senator Bob Kerrey (D-Nebraska) introduced the Secure Public Networks Act last month. Privacy advocates and much of the high-tech industry oppose domestic key recovery on grounds that it would violate civil rights and be impractical and expensive to build and manage. McCain said he met with Microsoft representatives recently to discuss a new technology being developed by the software giant that could be less intrusive and problematic than key recovery. The senator also said he plans to meet with Netscape officials next week to discuss yet another alternative. Officials from Netscape were not immediately available for comment. "I'm saying, OK, if you have another solution, I'd like to hear it," McCain said, though he stressed that protecting national security remains his "first obligation." The McCain-Kerrey bill includes provisions for setting up a voluntary domestic key recovery system, including incentives for those who participate. Critics say participation in the key-management infrastructure wouldn't really be voluntary - it would be a prerequisite to conducting electronic commerce. Encryption, or data-scrambling technology, is widely viewed as the cornerstone to e-commerce because it conceals credit card numbers and other personal information traveling over networks. Key recovery, as outlined in the bill, would create a system of certificate authorities to whom users would give a copy of their data keys. Law enforcement could then access that copy of your key through a court order. McCain's flexibility on the issue could influence the debate over how to protect national security while allowing a free market to flourish in the digital age. Just two days ago, at a Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on the bill, FBI director Louis Freeh testified on the need for mandatory domestic key recovery, and some senators on the committee, notably the chairman, Orrin Hatch (R-Utah), seemed to agree that some sort of domestic key recovery is needed to allow law enforcement to wiretap suspect digital communications and transactions.

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Re: Barry Smith (FBI) to speak on encryption policy
by William H. Geiger III 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Anyone going to this? ------------------------------------------------------------------------- The following message is forwarded to you by "William H. Geiger III" <whgiii(a)invweb.net> (listed as the From user of this message). The original sender (see the header, below) was "Dr. Alan Sherman" <sherman(a)gl.umbc.edu> and has been set as the "Reply-To" field of this message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >From: "Dr. Alan Sherman" <sherman(a)gl.umbc.edu> >Newsgroups: sci.crypt >Subject: Barry Smith (FBI) to speak on encryption policy >Date: 19 Jan 1998 01:54:28 -0000 >Organization: University of Maryland, Baltimore County Campus >Lines: 55 >Message-ID: <69ubok$lkn(a)news.umbc.edu> >NNTP-Posting-Host: news.umbc.edu >NNTP-Posting-User: sherman >Path: edison.dotstar.net!pull-feed.internetmci.com!news-out.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!204.59.152.222!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!feeder.qis.net!news.umbc.edu!not-for-mail The UMBC Security Technology Research Group presents A Law-Enforcement Perspective on Encryption Policy Barry Smith Supervisory Special Agent, FBI moderated by journalist Peter Wayner 3:30pm - 5:00pm Friday, March 6, 1998 Lecture Hall V (LOCATION SUBJECT TO CHANGE) University of Maryland, Baltimore County http://www.cs.umbc.edu/events/spring98/crypto.shtml The second lecture and discussion in a two-part forum on encryption policy. Journalist Peter Wayner will introduce and moderate the event, which is free and open to the public. In Part I, freedom activist John Gilmore and Fritz Fielding (Ex-Associate General Councel, NSA) gave their divergent views, focusing on the Burnstein case. Barry Smith will articulate the needs of law enforcement to conduct lawful wiretaps; he will advocate the use of key-recovery techniques to achieve this end as a way that provides adequate privacy to law-abiding citizens. Schedule: The event will begin with a brief (10 minute) introduction by Peter Wayner. Following Barry Smith's talk, which will last approximately 45 minutes, there will be an opportunity to ask questions for approximately 20-30 minutes. Questions: Attendees are encouraged to ask questions in advance by sending email to sherman(a)cs.umbc.edu Directions: Take Exit #47B off interstate I-95 and follow signs to UMBC. LH V is on the 100-level of the Engineering Computer Science (ECS) Building, directly behind the University Center. There is a visitor's parking lot near the I-95 entrance to UMBC. Host: Dr. Alan T. Sherman Associate Professor, Computer Science sherman(a)cs.umbc.edu http://www.umbc.edu (410) 455-2666 This event is held in cooperation with the UMBC Intellectual Sports Council Honors College Phi Beta Kappa honors society CMSC Council of Majors IFSM Council of Majors ----------------------------------------------------- -- End of forwarded message ----------------------------------------------------- -- --------------------------------------------------------------- William H. Geiger III http://users.invweb.net/~whgiii Geiger Consulting Cooking With Warp 4.0 Author of E-Secure - PGP Front End for MR/2 Ice PGP & MR/2 the only way for secure e-mail. OS/2 PGP 2.6.3a at: http://users.invweb.net/~whgiii/pgpmr2.html --------------------------------------------------------------- Tag-O-Matic: One man's Windows are another man's walls.

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by trump＠foursssst.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: Jim Bell reference
by Antonomasia 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

mctaylor(a)mta.ca commented on the Jim Bell case and Dorothy Denning. Vin McLellan <vin(a)shore.net> forwarded the 'Freeh Speech' Statement of Louis J. Freeh, Director, FBI.... >The looming spectre of the widespread use of robust, virtually uncrackable >encryption is one of the most difficult problems >confronting law enforcement as the next century approaches. At stake are >some of our most valuable and reliable investigative >techniques Baloney. The figures you give later indicate 1000 or 2000 investigations a year meeting computer encryption. Even if they were all unbreakable that's 2000/year in a population of how many ? Dents the clear-up rate by how much ? Makes me think the issue is the preservation of many thousands of _unathorised_ taps. What else could explain that viewpoint? >There have been >numerous cases where law enforcement, through the >use of electronic surveillance, has not only solved and successfully >prosecuted serious crimes and dangerous criminals, but has >also been able to prevent serious and life-threatening criminal acts. For >example, terrorists in New York were plotting to bomb >the United Nations Building, the Lincoln and Holland Tunnels, and 26 >Federal Plaza as well as conduct assassinations of >political figures. Court-authorized electronic surveillance enabled the FBI >to disrupt the plot as explosives were being mixed. Over here video cameras in public places seem to hit the jackpot quite often in this area. >another example, electronic surveillance was used to >prevent and then convict two men who intended to kidnap, molest and then >kill a male child. Witnesses are better, they can catch the lone molester who has no communications. We had a well-publicised case a couple of years ago where a man was caught with a kidnapped girl in his van shortly after a gardener happened to see the girl's feet beneath the van at the instant she was lifted off the ground. Incidentally, I'm against terrorism, child molestation etc etc. I'm confident most other cypherpunks are too, so no nonsense please about free crypto supporters being backers of [crime of the month]. > Convicted spy Aldrich Ames was told by the Russian intelligence > service to encrypt computer file information that was > to be passed to them. But he was convicted anyway ? So crypto was not a problem to LE ? > An international terrorist was plotting to blow up 11 U.S.-owned > commercial airliners in the far east. His laptop > computer which was seized during his arrest in Manilla contained > encrypted files concerning this terrorist plot. Also not a problem if the files were found to concern the plot. > A subject in a child pornography case used encryption in > transmitting obscene and pornographic images of children > over the Internet. As above. > A major international drug trafficking subject recently used a > telephone encryption device to frustrate court-approved > electronic surveillance. If life were that easy you'd have your budget cut, and deserve it. >Over the last three (3) years, the FBI has also seen the number of computer >related cases utilizing encryption and/or password >protection increase from 20 or two (2) percent of the cases involving >electronically stored information to 140 or seven (7) >percent. These included the use of 56 bit data encryption standard (DES) >and 128 bit "pretty good privacy" (PGP) encryption. >Just as when this committee so boldly addressed digital telephony, the >government and the nation are again at an historic >crossroad on this issue. ...are again at a sharp disagreement ? Now over to M. C. Taylor >The one major difference in Dr. Denning's point of view is that she has a >large degree of trust in LEA. Period. That is the difference >between Dr. Denning and the average cypherpunk. Here in the UK you just have to say 'West Midlands Serious Crime Squad' (now disbanded) to blow away the idea that the police evidence is always genuine. Even today a senior policeman is reported in newspapers as saying his force employs dishonest people who would not be employed by a supermarket, and that he regrets needing such a high standard of evidence to fire them. When you think how easily alleged communications can be faked in contrast to physical evidence (such as a bloody glove, say) I'm uncomfortable that electronic evidence is even admissible. >The evidence is weak, in an article from May of this year, Denning quotes >500 cases world-wide, but neglects to follow-up with which of these cases >were solved regardless; due to other evidence or because the suspect was >using crummy crypto. > >Denning doesn't seem too concern with lawless government access, access >beyond the scope, government tampering or forgery of information which are >possible with poor key escrow technologies. Very good points. -- ############################################################### # Antonomasia ant(a)notatla.demon.co.uk # # See http://www.notatla.demon.co.uk/ # ###############################################################

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by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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From Hatch's testimony
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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by nim＠nim.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Advertise to 100 MILLION People for FREE!!
by nim＠nim.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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