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Re: Government money, Net picketing, and public fora (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi, Forwarded message: > Date: Thu, 05 Jun 1997 13:48:59 -0700 > From: Bill Stewart <stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com> > Subject: Re: Government money, Net picketing, and public fora (fwd) > You're not doing very well. I can see a number of possible meanings: > > 1) You want to be able to "picket" other people's net traffic, > and think that the amount of government funding out there gives you some > standing to force some parts of the net to carry your "picket signs". > And therefore you keep posting similar vigorous assertions, in response > to other people's contentions that this would be bad. You have been paying NO attention at all, no wonder you are having a hard time trying to figure it out. Concentrate now, I DO NOT want to picket anyone for anything at anytime. I have better things to do with my time like spend my money in another store. It HAS been my contention from my original post that I DO NOT think this is a good idea. I am going to decline responding to the remiander of this since it is a waste of my meta-carpal tunnel syndrome. [much inattentive blah deleted] _______________________________________________________________________ | | | Speak the truth, but leave immediately after. | | | | Slovenian Proverb | | | | Jim Choate ravage(a)ssz.com | | The Armadillo Group www.ssz.com | | Austin, Texas, USA 512-451-7087 | |_______________________________________________________________________|

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Re: PGP in Fidonet
by msattler＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The real question is, what attorney jokes do *you* know? Do you tell programmer jokes? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael S. Sattler msattler(a)netcom.com +1 (415) 358-3058 Digital Jungle Software Encrypt now; ask me how. (finger for PGP key) Evil will certainly triumph if good people do nothing at all.

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Start up costs and paying for speech...
by Peter Wayner 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Of course there would need to be some mechanism associated with letting new people into the system. In the real world, the parents and to some extent the government bear the responsiblity to bring up the young and provide for them. Perhaps some form of welfare could be instituted without offending the strict libertarians? Each month, the smartest and wittiest would be taxed and their success redistributed to the new and the epistolarily challenged. Ack... I don't know if digital money is such a great idea. A worl d without it seems so free. -Peter

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Identifying GIFs, was Re: criminal gif upload
by Pat Farrell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In message Tue, 5 Oct 1993 17:11:17 -0400 (EDT), Matthew J Ghio <mg5n+(a)andrew.cmu.edu> writes: > Seriously tho, just posting a list of MS-DOS filenames is rather > useless as filenames do get changed. It is highly likely that a sysop > or user might have changed the filenames to something else, especially > if their operating system supported filenames longer than 8 characters. Doesn't this bring up a fundamental question: when is a file equivalent? we can easily use MD5 or brik to identify identical files. But GIFs, and other image files (MPEG, JPEG, TIFF, etc.) are subject to both lossey compression and stegnagraphic [sic, sorry] coding techniques. If you change one pixel of the background, the checksums are different, but it will still show *porm or whatever to a judge who "knows it when he sees it." We can prove statistical insignificance of duplication using strong hashing functions. Can we find a way to statistically prove "looks like" on a numerical basis? Pat Pat Farrell Grad Student pfarrell(a)cs.gmu.edu Department of Computer Science George Mason University, Fairfax, VA Public key availble via finger #include <standard.disclaimer>

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Re: Start up costs and paying for speech...
by Joe Thomas 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On cypherpunks, Peter Wayner <pcw(a)access.digex.net> writes: > Each month, the > smartest and wittiest would be taxed and their > success redistributed to the new and the > epistolarily challenged. > > Ack... I don't know if digital money is such a > great idea. A worl d without it seems so free. I wouldn't worry about either. I don't see how enforcement of copyright will be possible under crypto-anarchy any more than taxation will be. If one person pays for a posting, what's to keep him from sharing it anonymously with whomever he wants? Is there any way that crypto-anarcy won't bring the death of "intellectual property"? Joe

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No Subject
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> and cause people not to buy their next posting. 2) People would > have an incentive to contribute to the group because they would > start running out of cash if they didn't say something valuable. Yes, but it would also discourage lurkers like me who are here to learn - and don't have much to contribute so far. If you have to pay to read, and to get more money you have to post something useful that people want to read, the "startup cost" associated with the list would grow as time goes on.

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oops!
by ssteele＠eff.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Sorry about that last post -- just noticed the date. Now I realize what they were talking about. Please disregard. Shari

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TAL Press Releases
by dewayne＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Peter: I thought that you would be interested in our rollout press releases from Monday. We are now ready for prime time. Best, -- Dewayne TETHERLESS ACCESS LTD. ANNOUNCES STRATEGIC ALLIANCES FOR WIRELESS MAN DEPLOYMENT October 4, 1993, Fremont, California-Tetherless Access, Ltd. (TAL), a leader in the development of user-provided wireless metropolitan area networks (MAN), today announced the formation of three separate strategic business and technology alliances. The alliances envision the provision of wireless access, applications development, packet radio hardware development and new services for wireless connectivity to the worldwide Internet. TAL has developed a "plug-and-play" interface for the Macintosh platform for the unlicensed operation of packet radio systems. The systems enable peer-to-peer wireless connectivity over AppleTalk networks within a MAN environment. The system software also provides transparent connectivity to TCP/IP networks and to services available on the worldwide Internet. User-provided wireless networking allows anyone within range of another system to automatically make a network connection. This "ad hoc" network means that each node not only generates its own traffic, but also relays the transmissions of nearby nodes. Each system owner becomes a "de facto" member of the network. The system provides a low-cost connectivity solution for community networks, libraries, schools, businesses, telecommuters, and an easily deployed communications infrastructure for developing countries. "In association with our strategic alliances we will deploy wireless MANs on a worldwide basis with a focus on providing access to the Internet" said Dewayne Hendricks, President of TAL. Pandora Systems of San Francisco, CA, a software development and network operations company, will design Internet-based wireless networking products and services. Pandora's principals have been involved in the establishment of PeaceNet, GreenNet, The WELL and have developed numerous Internet applications including Veronica, one of the most popular and useful navigation tools available on the Internet today. "The Internet and wireless communications are both experiencing dramatic growth. The combination of these environments offer unparalleled applications development opportunities" said Mark Graham, President of Pandora Systems. InterNex Information Services, Inc. of Menlo Park, CA, a provider of high bandwidth connectivity to the Internet, will provide wireline access points to the Internet for wireless MANs in major metropolitan areas throughout the U.S. InterNex and TAL will jointly market network services to businesses, educational institutions, communities and individuals. Cylink of Sunnyvale, CA, the leading worldwide supplier of commercial communications security products and spread spectrum wireless modems and systems, is cooperating in the supplying of spread spectrum radios for deployment in TAL's MAN packet radio systems on a worldwide basis. Cylink's founders are leading authorities in encryption and spread spectrum technologies, and the company currently services customers in over 40 countries. Tetherless Access, Ltd., based in Fremont, California, is a leader in the development and deployment of "plug-and-play" wireless metropolitan area networks. The company's products allow customers to achieve efficient, low-cost, flexible, high-quality wireless data communications in metropolitan network environments and to the worldwide Internet. TETHERLESS ACCESS, LTD. ANNOUNCES NET/MAC PRO WITH SUPPORT FOR POWERTALK October 4, 1993, Fremont, California-Tetherless Access, Ltd. (TAL), a leader in the development of user-provided wireless metropolitan area networks (MAN), today announced NET/Mac Pro, a new version of its NET/Mac Internet Protocol application for packet radio environments. NET/Mac Pro adds support for a personal gateway that allows PowerTalk users to exchange mail with SMTP servers over a TCP/IP network. PowerTalk is Apple's new mail and messaging technology, built in to System 7 Pro. This combination provides convenient Internet access for Apple® Macintosh® users through wireless Metropolitan Area Networks. TAL's standard products have led the way for wireless TCP/IP network access on the Macintosh. Now, with System 7 Pro, this access is simplified even more by not having to use a separate SMTP client program to transfer mail. "The PowerTalk universal mailbox and drag send capability integrated with our NET/Mac Pro product allows our users to deploy wireless MANs on a worldwide basis with a focus on providing easy access to the Internet mail services" said Dewayne Hendricks, President of TAL. TAL has formed strategic alliances with InterNex Information Services, Inc. of Menlo Park, CA, Cylink of Sunnyvale, CA and Pandora Systems of San Francisco, CA. Together the four companies will provide hardware, software and services which can be used to provide low-cost MAN connectivity solutions for community networks, libraries, schools, businesses, telecommuters, and an easily deployed communications infrastructure for developing countries. "In association with our strategic alliances we will deploy wireless MANs on a worldwide basis with a focus on providing access to the Internet" said Dewayne Hendricks, President of TAL. Tetherless Access, Ltd., based in Fremont, California, is a leader in the development and deployment of "plug-and-play" wireless metropolitan area networks. The company's products allow customers to achieve efficient, low-cost, flexible, high-quality wireless data communications in metropolitan network environments and to the worldwide Internet. Apple and Macintosh are registered trademarks and PowerTalk and System 7 are trademarks of Apple Computer, Inc. ----------- Dewayne Hendricks, WA8DZP ! CIS: 75210,10 AppleLink: D6547 Tetherless Access Ltd. ! Packet Radio: WA8DZP @ K3MC.#NOCAL.CA.USA.NA 43730 Vista Del Mar ! AOL: HENDRICKS Fremont, CA 94539-6250 ! Internet: dewayne(a)netcom.com Phone: (510) 659-0809 ! Fax: (510) 770-9854 -----------

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17 Dec '03

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Re: Start up costs and paying for speech...
by habs＠panix.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

We are planing on adding pay for use features to the Extropian Mailing List software. However it is a bit on the back burner. However, If there is serious interest on using a digi-cash system for pay-as-you post mailing list we should "TALK." Hal do you have any free time? /hawk -- Harry S. Hawk ON Vacation

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