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by Mail Delivery Subsystem 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

The original message was received at Tue, 2 Jul 2002 18:35:48 -0500 from cpunks@localhost ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- cypherpunks(a)openpgp.net ----- Transcript of session follows ----- ... while talking to domains.invweb.net.: >>> MAIL From:<cpunks(a)ssz.com> SIZE=11523 <<< 451 4.7.1 Please try again later ... while talking to router.invlogic.com.: >>> RCPT To:<cypherpunks(a)openpgp.net> <<< 550 5.7.1 <cypherpunks(a)openpgp.net>... Relaying denied. IP name lookup failed [207.200.56.4] 550 cypherpunks(a)openpgp.net... User unknown

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Returned mail: User unknown
by Mail Delivery Subsystem 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

The original message was received at Tue, 2 Jul 2002 18:38:08 -0500 from cpunks@localhost ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- cypherpunks(a)openpgp.net ----- Transcript of session follows ----- ... while talking to domains.invweb.net.: >>> MAIL From:<cpunks(a)ssz.com> SIZE=13409 <<< 451 4.7.1 Please try again later ... while talking to router.invlogic.com.: >>> RCPT To:<cypherpunks(a)openpgp.net> <<< 550 5.7.1 <cypherpunks(a)openpgp.net>... Relaying denied. IP name lookup failed [207.200.56.4] 550 cypherpunks(a)openpgp.net... User unknown

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Returned mail: User unknown
by Mail Delivery Subsystem 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

The original message was received at Tue, 2 Jul 2002 18:40:00 -0500 from cpunks@localhost ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- cypherpunks(a)openpgp.net ----- Transcript of session follows ----- ... while talking to domains.invweb.net.: >>> MAIL From:<cpunks(a)ssz.com> SIZE=15295 <<< 451 4.7.1 Please try again later ... while talking to router.invlogic.com.: >>> RCPT To:<cypherpunks(a)openpgp.net> <<< 550 5.7.1 <cypherpunks(a)openpgp.net>... Relaying denied. IP name lookup failed [207.200.56.4] 550 cypherpunks(a)openpgp.net... User unknown

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Returned mail: User unknown
by Mail Delivery Subsystem 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

The original message was received at Tue, 2 Jul 2002 18:42:07 -0500 from cpunks@localhost ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- cypherpunks(a)openpgp.net ----- Transcript of session follows ----- ... while talking to domains.invweb.net.: >>> MAIL From:<cpunks(a)ssz.com> SIZE=17181 <<< 451 4.7.1 Please try again later ... while talking to router.invlogic.com.: >>> RCPT To:<cypherpunks(a)openpgp.net> <<< 550 5.7.1 <cypherpunks(a)openpgp.net>... Relaying denied. IP name lookup failed [207.200.56.4] 550 cypherpunks(a)openpgp.net... User unknown

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Returned mail: User unknown
by Mail Delivery Subsystem 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

The original message was received at Tue, 2 Jul 2002 18:43:55 -0500 from cpunks@localhost ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- cypherpunks(a)openpgp.net ----- Transcript of session follows ----- ... while talking to domains.invweb.net.: >>> MAIL From:<cpunks(a)ssz.com> SIZE=19067 <<< 451 4.7.1 Please try again later ... while talking to router.invlogic.com.: >>> RCPT To:<cypherpunks(a)openpgp.net> <<< 550 5.7.1 <cypherpunks(a)openpgp.net>... Relaying denied. IP name lookup failed [207.200.56.4] 550 cypherpunks(a)openpgp.net... User unknown

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Returned mail: User unknown
by Mail Delivery Subsystem 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

The original message was received at Tue, 2 Jul 2002 18:45:06 -0500 from cpunks@localhost ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- cypherpunks(a)openpgp.net ----- Transcript of session follows ----- ... while talking to domains.invweb.net.: >>> MAIL From:<cpunks(a)ssz.com> SIZE=20953 <<< 451 4.7.1 Please try again later ... while talking to router.invlogic.com.: >>> RCPT To:<cypherpunks(a)openpgp.net> <<< 550 5.7.1 <cypherpunks(a)openpgp.net>... Relaying denied. IP name lookup failed [207.200.56.4] 550 cypherpunks(a)openpgp.net... User unknown

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Returned mail: User unknown
by Mail Delivery Subsystem 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

The original message was received at Tue, 2 Jul 2002 18:46:19 -0500 from cpunks@localhost ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- cypherpunks(a)openpgp.net ----- Transcript of session follows ----- ... while talking to domains.invweb.net.: >>> MAIL From:<cpunks(a)ssz.com> SIZE=22839 <<< 451 4.7.1 Please try again later ... while talking to router.invlogic.com.: >>> RCPT To:<cypherpunks(a)openpgp.net> <<< 550 5.7.1 <cypherpunks(a)openpgp.net>... Relaying denied. IP name lookup failed [207.200.56.4] 550 cypherpunks(a)openpgp.net... User unknown

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[WIKILEAKS] NYTimes Ed / Icelandic bank threats
by Wikileaks Press Office 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

WIKILEAKS NEWS Sat Aug 1 00:46:32 GMT 2009 1. Offshore banks v. WikiLeaks--round 2 Back in February 2008, WikiLeaks together with our boldest supporters, defeated an attack by Swiss Bank Julius Baer over "banking secrets". Now WikiLeaks has received a legal demand from the infamous Icelandic bank Kaupthing. The legal letter requests the removal of a confidential 210 page risk analysis of hundreds of companies and groups which owed the bank billions shortly before its collapse. Kaupthing's lawyers claim to have briefed US counsel. http://bit.ly/cJpDh 2. New York Times editorial on the money, but 7 years out of date On Wednesday, the New York Times devoted an editorial to domestic intelligence "fusion centers" and possible violations of the Posse Comitatus Act. Posse Comitatus prevents the US military from being used as police. The potential violations cited by the Times date back to 2002--seven years ago. While it is good to see the issue getting some attention, on May 5, 2009, we released the March 2009 "US Army Concept of Operations for Police Intelligence Operations", a 60 page, official US military manual. The confidential manual contains phrases such as "It [fusion] does not have constraints that are emplaced on MI [Military Intelligence] activities within the US, because it operates under the auspice and oversight of the police discipline and standards." and "The coordinated effort gave law enforcement agencies the knowledge to identify and prevent disruptive actions by violent protesters. The operation was considered by Corps leadership to be a watershed event for in-depth involvement of a garrison-based FP [Force Protection] fusion cell in support of unit deployments. Moreover, the Corps headquarters integrated the fusion cell into other operations where the G2 [military intelligence] is constrained by intelligence oversight rules". This is the official policy behind the recently Force Protection infitration of the activist group SDS in Washington State. On July 25 we released "Washington Joint Analytical Center Seattle private intelligence outsourcing, 1525 pages, 2006-2008". And on July 29, an analysis, "The spy who billed me twice", which starts: "There has been extensive political debate in the United States on how safe it would be to move Guantanmo's detainees to US soilbut what about their interrogators? A confidential 1525 page file of correspondence released to the public by WikiLeaks provides insights into the privatization of intelligence operations in the United States and the movement of such individuals into domestic intelligence 'fusion' centers...." See http://wikileaks.org/wiki/The_spy_who_billed_me_twice and associated links under "Source Documents". 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[osint] Martha's lesson - don't talk to the FBI
by Tefft, Bruce 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

Thought everyone knew that. Bruce ----- http://www.nwanews.com/times/story_Editorial.php?storyid=115586 Guest Commentary : Martha's lesson - don't talk to the FBI BY DONALD KAUL Posted on Saturday, March 20, 2004 Here is the lesson to be learned from the fall of Martha Stewart: Don't ever, under any circumstances, answer questions put to you by the FBI or any other federal agent unless you have a competent criminal lawyer at your side. And it would be better if it were a very good criminal lawyer. There are other lessons to be drawn from the fate of poor Martha, but that's the main one. You see, there is a section in the federal code, referred to as 1001 by legal eagles, that makes it a crime to lie to a federal agent. The agent doesn't have to put you under oath. If you tell him or her a lie, you're guilty. The federal officer doesn't even have to tape the conversation. All he or she has to do is produce handwritten notes that indicate that you made false statements. So, if you misspeak or the agent mishears or there is an ambiguity that the agent chooses to interpret in an unfortunate (for you) direction, you're on the hook. There's also the possibility that you might be tempted to shade the truth a bit when an IRS agent is quizzing you about that business deduction you took for the trip to Vegas. My advice to you is: Don't do it. To be on the safe side, when confronted by a federal agent, don't say anything at all unless your lawyer says you have to. It's a shame things have come to this. It used to be that people felt it their duty as citizens to cooperate with federal authorities. That was before Law 1001. We now live in an era of Incredible Shrinking Civil Rights. You have to protect yourself at all times. Let's look more closely at the case of Poor Martha the Match Girl. What did she do? She was convicted of lying about the reason she sold her shares in a biotechnology company two years ago. She said she sold them because they had fallen to the price at which she and her broker had agreed to sell. The government argued (and the jury believed) that she sold because her broker passed on some inside information that the stock was going to plunge in the next couple of days. I know what you're going to say - "insider trading." True, it has that smell about it, but the government did not charge her with insider trading, only with lying about it. I hate that. It seems to me that convicting someone of lying about a crime that the government isn't willing to prove happened is unfair. Add to that the fact that Ms. Stewart saved all of $45,000 on the stock transaction and has seen her fortune decrease by hundreds of millions because of the trial, and the penalty does not seem to fit the crime. I think the reason the government has spent millions pursuing this two-bit case is because Ms. Stewart is famous and the case makes it look as though the Justice Department is doing a bang-up job running down crooks in high places. Also, the lifestyle lady - a political contributor to Democrats rather than Republicans, incidentally - irritated prosecutors with her haughty, arrogant attitude. (It's always a bad idea to make prosecutors mad.) Then too, her high-priced attorney, Robert Morvillo, lost a series of strategic gambles that left his client virtually defenseless. After the government had spent six weeks making the case against Stewart, Morvillo called only one witness in her defense and questioned him for 20 minutes. His chief argument was that Stewart and her broker were too smart to pull a dumb stunt like this. As one juror said later, "How could we tell anything about how smart either of them was if they never took the stand?" 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[Politech] Correction on security firms and detecting spyware [priv]
by Declan McCullagh 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

Whoops! I mistyped when sending out the last message. To be clear, we asked the 13 companies this question: "Is it your policy to alert the user to the presence of any spyware or keystroke logger, even if it is installed by a police or intelligence agency in the absence of a lawful court order signed by a judge?" And we received 13 responses saying YES, it was their policy. Putting this thing together was a beast (about 5,000 words including the verbatim responses) and you can tell that I'm a bit frazzled as a result. Previous Politech message: http://www.politechbot.com/2007/07/17/will-security-firms/ And, by way of comparison, here's something from the archives saying Symantec in 2001 would overlook FBI spyware: http://www.politechbot.com/p-02851.html And McAfee apparently saying the same: http://www.politechbot.com/p-02834.html But then McAfee challenged the AP article: http://www.politechbot.com/p-02846.html http://www.politechbot.com/p-02840.html At least now we have them on the record in a less ambiguous way. (The court order clause could be a loophole, but National Security Letters aren't signed by a judge so I don't think it's a big one.) -Declan _______________________________________________ Politech mailing list Archived at http://www.politechbot.com/ Moderated by Declan McCullagh (http://www.mccullagh.org/) ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> http://leitl.org ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com http://postbiota.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE

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