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Re: A Chance Encounter with Brad Templeton, of ClariNet
by mkj＠october.ducktown.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Adam Shostack wrote: > There is an entire parasitic > class that does nothing useful, but makes money from the idea of > copyright. (Most entertainment industries operate like this. The > industry puts up seed money in exchange for the profits that an artist > generates.) Books, music, film to a lesser extent are all in the path > of a digital revolution which eliminates the need for a middleman. If > I can download music to DAT, I don't need Sony records. Neither does > Peter Gabriel, Robert Fripp or any other musician. The above is a key insight into what I see as one of the biggest issues of the next couple of decades, certainly one of the biggest issues affecting the networks. A battle is looming between public freedoms on the nets, and powerful copyright-based economic interests. Such a battle is very apt to turn the networks into a minefield of impossible laws, ubiquitous surveillance and unending litigation. Note that the Clinton/Gore administration, and its Information Infrastructure Task Force (IITF), have already taken the (in my opinion extreme and unrealistic) position that intellectual property laws must be not merely preserved but *strengthened* and *expanded* in the context of the National Information Infrastructure. (See the report of the IITF's Intellectual Property Working Group, as well as other relevant reports available at iitf.doc.gov.) And I see no reason to hope that Congress will take a different approach. Such a battle could have far-reaching implications. Taken to its logical conclusions, a "War on Piracy" could make the "War on Drugs" look benign (and inexpensive) by comparison. Averting this disaster may be one of the most important challenges facing the cypherpunks. Just my two cents' worth. --- mkj

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more on twwells
by an234＠vox.xs4all.nl 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- The discussion we've seen here re the reputation of the anon server at twwells.com has found its way to the a.s.a.r. newsgroup. Most, if not all, of the thread has been posted there via the khijol anon-server, including Tim's repost of Mr. Wells' remarks to the list. These posts to a.s.a.r. evidently prompted this from Mr. Wells: >Sat, 19 Nov 1994 10:11:29 >alt.sexual.abuse.recovery >Phui! >bill(a)twwells.com <T. William Wells at None, Mt. Laurel, NJ> > >I'm having a nice time at a science fiction convention and a brand >new, well paying job to return to Monday, and other good things >are happening in my life. I'm not going to let Ed and the cohort >of Wells-bashers spoil things for me. I won't play, and that's >that. > >I know that some of you will be concerned about what they're >saying. If you are, you can send me e-mail and ask whatever you >want. Alternately, there are plenty of people on asar who are not >involved in this whole mess, who will give you straight, unbiased >answers. > >I can be reached at: bill(a)twwells.com, admin(a)anon.twwells.com, or, >anonymously, at anon-0(a)anon.twwells.com. > >Other than that, I'm out of this. The khijol server, being little >more than a blind for Ed and his own, I'm killfiling entirely, as >well as the threads concerning my server (including this one). If >there is going to be yet another (this has been going on for over >two years!) anon server flame-war, I will not be a part of it. > >Take care everyone, and may you find the healing you need. And the posts have apparently caused one user of Wells' service to become a former-user: >Sat, 19 Nov 1994 00:21:55 >alt.sexual.abuse.recovery >Re: T. Wells Anon Service--His Comments >laurahelen(a)delphi.com <Laura Helen at Delphi> > >T W Wells writes: >>> >>>I provide a service to people who, at least in specific areas, >>>are not rational, who are definitely irrational. I know of, for >>>example, one person who went into convulsions simply because they >>>received e-mail from a person who, many years ago, had abused a >>>child. >>> > >this sounds like my fucking father -- I want more respect than this. >No I am not the person he's referring to but I trust an anon server to >be neutral, forward messages and not make highly personal and judgemental >comments on survivors. Fuck him. I'm not using that server any more. > >I suppose this will be labelled "irrational" by some. > >I don't even believe in a separation between the head and the heart. > >It's pretty warped. > >I feel betrayed. > > Laura N. Cognito =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= N. Cognito "Don't put no constrictions on da people. an234(a)vox.xs4all.nl Leave 'em ta hell alone." -- J. Durante =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= public key available via keyserver -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBLtDWTqL3ipYu3mvVAQHa3wP+MqLly0c3PGbQKOOKI3cEjFVhMBx3aQYf P6/MAaim41+EoL7CTk1TQszSpTeGDwHm8axUeAhManAuPzEBRbLdh6pvFTrnZ3Om 0j2HXDH5zrRHvL8lTRrWtFnK5/VVWdttMGt4qe7YDbu4Ekm60MSagstly1DFfpo2 4l9wiUMEJtc= =MItJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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PGP for VMS
by Tony.Gurnick＠nzdairy.co.nz 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Can anyone tell me where I can get a copy of PGP for vms? AXP or VAX. T

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Re: Admiral Inman
by frissell＠panix.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 08:30 PM 11/21/94 EST, Jim Grubs, W8GRT wrote: >> It does amaze me that what can be a victimless activity is such >> a hotbutton. > >Drugs are victimless? What about crack babies, which cost a million >dollars EACH in medical care, btw. > Just as I could not sue my parents for being dumb commies who would send me to government schools (not that they are or did), I could not sue my parents for using crack. One takes one's parents as one finds them (at Common Law in any case). The medical care cost *can* be blamed on the government that exacts payments for it. DCF

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Re: NYT on MCI Net Shop
by habs＠warwick.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> > > Interestingly, our MCI salesman has told us they cannot offer Internet > > Access.. e.g, we can't buy a T1 line (for example) from them... > > Ack, Pfft! Little Garden is in the process of getting about 3 T1s from MCI. Now they finallly admited to offering the service... We had a meeting last week where they claimed not to offer this service... /hawkk

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Re: Admiral Inman
by Rich Salz 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> I recall hearing that Inman lost a tremendous amount of credibility in the > government and the media during the confimation; He lost even more during his rambling, almost incoherent "I'm withdrawing my name" speech, which apparently took the administration by surprise and wherein he sounded like a paranoid Perot as a victim of drug experiments. Followup articles explained things like "hey, MCC isn't such a sterling success as we all first thought." Even if he were willing to be a spokesman, it'd probably hurt the cause. /r$

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Re: Voice PGP, When?
by rah＠shipwright.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 5:37 PM 11/22/94 -0500, Perry E. Metzger wrote: >James Hightower says: >> I'm wondering if I should continue writing my own. > >Why not? Let a thousand flowers bloom... Remembering of course what happened when these words were last used seriously... ;-). Cheers, Bob Hettinga ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) "There is no difference between someone Shipwright Development Corporation who eats too little and sees Heaven and 44 Farquhar Street someone who drinks too much and sees Boston, MA 02331 USA snakes." -- Bertrand Russell (617) 323-7923

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NYT on DNA Compute
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

If anyone wants to know the NYT has a longish article today on Leonard Adleman's experiment using DNA as a molecular computer. It amplifies the Science article mentioned here earlier and quotes several computer scientists who praise the work. To see it, send a blank message with subject: DNA_la

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A Chance Encounter with Brad Templeton, of ClariNet
by blancw＠pylon.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Responding to msg by Mike McNally: "Put yourself in his place. Mr. Templeton's attitude makes perfect sense. The entire fabric of his business is based upon state-supported protection of the "property" that's his stock in trade. I would think very little of him as a businessperson were he to simple roll over and give up." ........................................................ Businessmen must find a way to channel their goods & services so that they can reach their customers and receive the desired return on their efforts and their investments. It's a paradoxical quagmire, isn't it, to be both open, available, and accessible, while yet needing to be exclusive, particular, and restricted. Blanc

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re: Wired Whitehall
by m5＠vail.tivoli.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Duhh. Reading a little further, I find that Kable can be reached at +44 171 410 9046. I called and there's a two-tier pricing policy for the report: about L40 (that's a fancy "pounds sterling" sign) for public sector & university purchases, and about L200 for private-sector purchases. They can't do credit cards, ironically enough. | GOOD TIME FOR MOVIE - GOING ||| Mike McNally <m5(a)tivoli.com> | | TAKE TWA TO CAIRO. ||| Tivoli Systems, Austin, TX: | | (actual fortune cookie) ||| "Like A Little Bit of Semi-Heaven" |

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