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Re: Sampler: February 26
by Toto 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

sampler-request(a)lmboyd.com wrote: ====================================================== Wrote Peter Chippindale in the United Kingdom's New Statesman: "A good police force is one which catches more criminals than it employs." -- Toto ----------------------------- "The Xenix Chainsaw Massacre" http://bureau42.base.org/public/xenix/xenbody.html

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Re: We are ALL guests (except Eric)
by Blanc Weber 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: Eric Hughes These discussions on the interest of power are fascinating to me. So many of them do not take into account my own desires to create a useful discussion forum, which desires bind me tighter than any law ever could. There are some very interesting implications of this _de facto_ solipsism to achievement of equilibria in games with iterated dominance. ......................................................................... Eric is so cool for starting a flame war about his authority, on his very semi-own list. Turn-around is fair play, do unto others, and all that. For myself, I list below some items of importance which I would look for in deciding whether to participate with expectations of complicity to any given 'rules': . advance knowledge of the requirements & procedures . whether they are consistent with the purpose they serve . whether there has been an intelligent argument presented which would convince me that it is more advantageous to do as expected, than not . that there have been means provided to be able to follow through, or that . there has been information provided on how to obtain the means needed for follow through . that information is available on how to overcome the obstacles & difficulties which could prevent adherence to the given requirements i.e., that those who place certain requirements upon membership also make it possible to comply with them by preparing the way, making it easy to do so and providing sufficient appeal to make it worth the trouble. Blanc

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Re: Remailer Chaining Security? [LONG]
by usura＠vox.hacktic.nl 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

:But how does one go about chaining through the remailers? I tried this :and the message got lost. If indeed you can, does it just involve using :more than one (anon-to) line in the header? Note-1: [R-R-T: stands for Request-Remailing-To: ] Note-2: [You is in this doc abraxas(a)cyberspace.org, substitute that adress for own if you want to receive the test message yourself] First you should test only one remailer: you > remailer 1 > RRT- you This is what you send: -- TO: remailer(a)jpunix.com :: Request-Remailing-To: abraxas(a)cyberspace.org Test of remailer at jpunix.com ------------------------------------------------ This is what you receive: -- You will receive this message from jpunix.com From: remailer(a)jpunix.com To: abraxas(a)cyberspace.org Test of remailer at jpunix.com -- If this is succesful you add another remailer: you > remailer 2 > RRT- rem 2 >> RRT you This is what you send: --- TO: remailer(a)jpunix.com :: Request-Remailing-To: nobody(a)kaiwan.com :: Request-Remailing-To: abraxas(a)cyberspace.org Test of remailer at jpunix.com and RRT kaiwan.com ----------------------------------------------------- Remailer nobody(a)kaiwan.com will receive this message from remailer(a)jpunix.com ------ From: remailer(a)jpunix.com To: nobody(a)kaiwan.com :: Request-Remailing-To: abraxas(a)cyberspace.org Test of remailer at jpunix.com and RRT kaiwan.com ------ Because the message has the header pasting tokens [::] the remailer at kaiwan.com knows where to send it to. You will receive this message from kaiwan.com From: nobody(a)kaiwan.com To: abraxas(a)cyberspace.org Test of remailer at jpunix.com and RRT kaiwan.com --------------------------------------------------------- You can keep adding remailer this way, everytime you receive a test message back you add another remailer: if you stop receiving test messages, the last remailer added is most likely "down". You can check that by using that remailer directly. --------------------------------------------------------- The above is simple unencrypted remailing. If you want to have an encrypted chained remailing, you first have to "design" the chain. 1] send to jpunix.com there RRT kaiwan.com 2] at kaiwan.com RRT vox.hacktic.nl 3] at vox.hacktic.nl RRT abraxas(a)cyberspace.org First you make the 3rd stage: -- :: Request-Remailing-To: abraxas(a)cyberspace.org Test of PGP'ed remailing trough jpunix, kaiwan and vox. -- The above is encrypted whit the PGPpubKEY of VoX.hacktic.nl and will result in this: -----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE----- Version: 2.6 for VoX Labz. hIwCWd90FI1WkT0BA/9I6ILVhl5ZpsgKgHye+ng9CokwzdW1pMgcd0ecigppAODe 53LlyVw/hl1ERYIzWW9W4vnuh7sLgu9XjxB515FtT5VSyZLZrhKIF7XtACga2On+ 1NmsecLTrgXYcc4k0Y+l66Hs06z92yhFvjXruDBS2Pame0VDtgZo+4aPntioDaYA AABJsVIWRaJkCib+uek9Pr6GqFP7lwaMqq8XFnFxY42h3Wn3c5DikrzmwKGK5xVs hmiZnEhJgXvR7jS2cNNOk/geG4SnUqvMTzpq6w== =b0bT -----END PGP MESSAGE----- -- Then you than proceed to the 2nd stage the message wich has to leave kaiwan.com: :: Encrypted: PGP -----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE----- Version: 2.6 for VoX Labz. hIwCWd90FI1WkT0BA/9I6ILVhl5ZpsgKgHye+ng9CokwzdW1pMgcd0ecigppAODe 53LlyVw/hl1ERYIzWW9W4vnuh7sLgu9XjxB515FtT5VSyZLZrhKIF7XtACga2On+ 1NmsecLTrgXYcc4k0Y+l66Hs06z92yhFvjXruDBS2Pame0VDtgZo+4aPntioDaYA AABJsVIWRaJkCib+uek9Pr6GqFP7lwaMqq8XFnFxY42h3Wn3c5DikrzmwKGK5xVs hmiZnEhJgXvR7jS2cNNOk/geG4SnUqvMTzpq6w== =b0bT -----END PGP MESSAGE----- But kaiwan.com has to know where to send it to, so the 2nd stage msg is: :: Request-Remailing-To: remail(a)vox.hacktic.nl :: Encrypted: PGP -----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE----- Version: 2.6 for VoX Labz. hIwCWd90FI1WkT0BA/9I6ILVhl5ZpsgKgHye+ng9CokwzdW1pMgcd0ecigppAODe 53LlyVw/hl1ERYIzWW9W4vnuh7sLgu9XjxB515FtT5VSyZLZrhKIF7XtACga2On+ 1NmsecLTrgXYcc4k0Y+l66Hs06z92yhFvjXruDBS2Pame0VDtgZo+4aPntioDaYA AABJsVIWRaJkCib+uek9Pr6GqFP7lwaMqq8XFnFxY42h3Wn3c5DikrzmwKGK5xVs hmiZnEhJgXvR7jS2cNNOk/geG4SnUqvMTzpq6w== =b0bT -----END PGP MESSAGE----- The above is then encrypted whit the PGPpubKEY of kaiwan.com: -- Stage 1: This new encrypted message gets the headers for jpunix to remail: :: Request-Remailing-To: nobody(a)kaiwan.com :: Encrypted: PGP -----BEGIN PGG MESSAGE----- and the PGP encrypted message from stage 2 -----END PGP MESSAGE----- --- Stage 0: the message you send to jpunix.com is the encrypted message [with the PGPpubKEY of jpunix.com] of stage 1 plus a Encrypted: PGP header. To: remail(a)jpunix.com :: Encrypted: PGP -----BEGIN PGG MESSAGE----- and the PGP encrypted message from stage 1 -----END PGP MESSAGE----- -- Exit! Stage Left. Alex de Joode <usura(a)vox.hacktic.nl>

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Phbbbbbbbbt!
by merriman＠metronet.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

***************** Begin PKP Signed Message ***************** Version 3.14159 A Proposal That It Be Resolved: * That Eric can, and will, do as he sees fit with the Cypherpunks mailing list on toad.com. * That Eric can, and will, do whatever he's going to do, whenever he does it. * That many have made their positions clear - amply, and repeatedly - on what they think of the various proposals put forth in response to Eric's initial posting, the clarifications, the clarified clarifications, the counter-proposals, counter-counter-proposals, ad nauseum. * That if/when Eric does something that those on the Cypherpunks mailing list do/don't agree with (or otherwise find inconvenient, distasteful, awkward, reprehensible, foolish, appropriate, called-for, suitable, necessary, ad nauseum), they will respond as they feel appropriate. * That responses to any actions taken by Eric may include letters of support/condemnation, forged/faked information, leaving in a snit/huff/quietly/loudly, formation of a C1Ph3rD00Dz mailing list, ranting, raving, cheering, applause, or whatever else the individual may feel appropriate. * That Eric has had ample opportunity to see the response to his proposal, and will therefore take it into consideration as he feels appropriate. * That the subject will not be properly addressed and resolved until and unless some _definitive_ action occurs. * That until and unless such action occurs, anything else is so much flailing about madly, with a fair measure of High Blood Pressure and Hurt Feelings tossed in. * That the subject has now been flogged to death, and that further discourse on it only serves to fragment the CP mailing list. Respectfully Submitted Dave Merriman ***************** Begin PKP Signature ***************** 1 ******************************************************* ****************** End PKP Signed Message ****************** - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Finger merriman(a)feenix.metronet.com for PGP public key and fingerprint. PGP encrypted Email welcome, encouraged, and preferred. "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." John F. Kennedy

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New Yorker First Flame Author on TotN
by kentborg＠world.std.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I forget his name, but the guy who wrote the New Yorker article about being flamed will be on National Public Radio program "Talk of the Nation" on Monday. I don't know which hour, but the live feed (and live is important for a phone-in program) is 2 PM through 4 PM ES/DT. Let's not all start phoning just yet, and when we do let's all be calm and not flame him without listening to him first. For example, the excerpts of the original article posted here on c'punks wasn't the best example of editing that I have ever seen (slight flame there...), it seemed to attribute to him things I don't think he said. The subject is flaming, we will be in public, let's all be calm... -kb -- Kent Borg +1 (617) 776-6899 kentborg(a)world.std.com kentborg(a)aol.com Proud to claim 28:15 hours of TV viewing so far in 1994!

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(None)
by Jeff Gostin 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Paul Schauble <pls(a)crl.com> writes: > Can I do this with crypto technology? Can I send someone a message, and > possible a program, such that the message can only be decrypted after a > predetermined date? Easy to do! Send out encrypted text, along with a plaintext note explaining that the information is time sensitive. Further explain that the key needed to undo the encryption will be sent out at the appropriate time. Then, just sit tight, and wait for the time to come. --Jeff -- ====== ====== +----------------jgostin(a)eternal.pha.pa.us----------------+ == == | The new, improved, environmentally safe, bigger, better,| == == -= | faster, hypo-allergenic, AND politically correct .sig. | ==== ====== | Now with a new fresh lemon scent! | PGP Key Available +---------------------------------------------------------+

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Announce: Secure HTTP Draft Specification (fwd)
by bart＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > From commercenet-request(a)commerce.NET Sat Jun 11 02:32:46 1994 > Date: Sat, 11 Jun 94 01:17:50 PDT > From: wtwong(a)eitech.eit.com (William Tao-Yang Wong) > Message-Id: <9406110817.AA22886(a)eit.COM> > To: commercenet(a)ibs.eit.COM, network-wg(a)ibs.eit.COM > Cc: heathman(a)commerce.net > Subject: Announce: Secure HTTP Draft Specification > > A draft specification for Secure HTTP has been released. You may retrieve it > via any of the following methods: > > WWW: http://www.commerce.net/information/standards/drafts/shttp.txt > Email: shttp-info(a)commerce.net (Automatic response) > Anonymous FTP: ftp.commerce.net/pub/standards/drafts/shttp.txt > > > William > Secure HTTP (S-HTTP) provides secure communication mechanisms between an HTTP client-server pair. Our design intent is to provide a flexi- ble protocol that supports multiple operation modes and cryptographic algorithms and formats through option negotiation between the tran- saction parties. 1.1. Summary of Features Secure HTTP has been designed to enable incorporation of various cryptographic message format standards into Web clients and servers, including, but not limited to, PKCS-7, PEM, and PGP. S-HTTP supports interoperation among a variety of implementations, and is backward compatible with HTTP. ...

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crypto in the NY Times
by Duncan Frissell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Control freaks - yah gotta love 'em. DD in today's Times - "I was exposed to cases where wiretaps had actually stopped crimes in the making...If they didn't have this tool, some of these things might have happened." I have been exposed to cases where torture actually stopped crimes in the making... I have been exposed to cases in which locking the entire population of a nation into a totalitarian control regime with internal passports and everything has actually stopped crimes in the making... I have been exposed to cases in which decimating the inhabitants of a village actually stopped crimes in the making. Guess what control freaks: The guy next door may have strong crypto, a gun, and a car with a tank full of gasoline with enough energy in it to blow up your house. There's not a goddamned thing on this good green earth that you can do about it. Get used to it. Learn to trust people until proven otherwise. DCF --- WinQwk 2.0b#1165

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CERT warning about majordomo
by adwestro＠ouray.Denver.Colorado.EDU 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Regarding the list going down again: I was just informed that CERT has issued a warning about a security hole in majordomo. Anyone have any info on this? Alan Westrope <awestrop(a)nyx.cs.du.edu> __________/|-, <adwestro(a)ouray.denver.colorado.edu> (_) \|-' finger for pgp 2.6 public key "Silent, We the Empire Await, Trystero!" -- Pynchon (sorta...) S,W.E.A,T! -- graffito at Moe's Pretty Good Gym -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6 iQCVAgUBLfu61lRRFMq4NZY5AQESBQP/fn0lhPeUgVk+abGqQzNSOG+7895AvWFQ oWguun145cEB93NxL4vZyHOg5OgtEod7M33uvOGCVssEj3ux8iv8aW96LJOmc6ph kWIlXieNnvsR9WUXk2mapoYsakwz0VkwL4rsCLQhHcbQbFhlnJbKXOtw9n1h7Q8V Fas0G695ZyE= =C8+V -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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RE: cypherpunks list wiped out again... (duplicate)
by nobody＠shell.portal.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

================ > From: IN%"rslau(a)usc.edu" 12-JUN-1994 17:57:04.72 > To: IN%"cypherpunks(a)usc.edu" > Subj: cypherpunks list wiped out again... (duplicate) > It looks like the cypherpunks list was wiped out again this afternoon... > I think I may have found the bug in majordomo that caused this or maybe > it's just coincidence since the last time this happened was also on a > sunday afternoon, i believe. there must be a timebomb in majordomo ala > pgp 2.6 :) > > Resubscribe by sending the following in the body of the message to > majordomo(a)toad.com: > > subscribe cypherpunks > > Robert Lau - Systems Programmer, Unix Systems 213-740-2866 > -- University Computing Services Internet: rslau(a)usc.edu > -- University of Southern California Bitnet: rslau@uscvm > -- 1020 W Jefferson, LA, CA USA, 90089-0251 UUCP: > ...!uunet!usc!rsla> This may sound like a "dumb" question, but if the list was "wiped out", why did I receive this? ====================

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