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middleman status
by Middle Man 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Damn!! A corrupted reply block! Anyway, the middleman remailer seems to be functional again. Give it a try and see if it works for you. The middleman remailer will respond to both middle-man(a)alpha.c2.org and middle-man(a)nym.jpunix.com. I will eventually drop one of the nyms in favor of the more robust nym server. I've tested it and it works for me. Please let me know if you have problems. middle-man-admin(a)alpha.c2.org middle-man-admin(a)nym.jpunix.com

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Re: Anti-Scientologists
by jamesd＠echeque.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 07:13 PM 6/9/96 +0200, Anonymous wrote: >Truth #1: It is a religion >Truth #2: It is no longer a cult, since the leader is dead. Truth number 3: It charges fifty thousand dollars or so for secrets of "religous technology" that are available free of charge on the internet. --------------------------------------------------------------------- | We have the right to defend ourselves | http://www.jim.com/jamesd/ and our property, because of the kind | of animals that we are. True law | James A. Donald derives from this right, not from the | arbitrary power of the state. | jamesd(a)echeque.com

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You bet they have/are: NSA/CIA to snoop INSIDE the U.S.???
by attila 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

** Reply by attila to note from Anonymous User <nobody(a)c2.org> 06/08/96 5:05pm -0700 anyone who believes the FBI and a host of other U.S. agencies even less scrupulous does not wiretap without permits, has been standing behind the door. generally, it does not matter if the information learned is admissable in court --they never admit wiretapping in the first place as the agency themselves, in many cases, *did*not*wiretap* --but the agency does buy info from usually unsavory "contractors" who do wiretap. as for the NSA/CIA spying on US citizens --they dont, they spy on British citizens with facilities provided by M5 and M6. in return, British M5/6 agents spy on U.S. citizens from Langely or Gaithersberg, or wherever. The fact they just happen to share information is an "accident." so, why legalize it? --if it aint broke, don't fix it. when the great sleeping, well-fed dog awakes in slavery, they will look for the "false"-prophets who have long since been purged by the adversary government --and fools like Baker-Halle will be in power (temporarily). --- original post by anon-remailer --- = : This is a fucking big story. = : Allowing the CIA and NSA to snoop domestically, and using only a handful of = : suspicions and anecdotes about cybernastiness and evil cryptohackers to = : justify this major policy shift -- well, it's fucking amazing. = : Nunn's proposal, unfortunately, was more than a "suggestion." = = This is very serious. Why has there not been more discussion about = this on the list? = = How close/far is this from becoming law? = = If they are now trying to make it legal for the CIA and NSA to snoop = inside the US I would guess that it's happening already. Remember = wiretaps? Do it now and they will make it legal later. -- The result of today's 'government' is new world disorder, unfolding at warp velocity.

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Re: Anti-Scientologists
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Anonymous wrote: > > >1. There's a gang of flamers (David Gerard, Jon Noring, Ron Newman, Rob J. > >Nauta, and the like) who try to stop $cientologists from discussing their > >religion on the Usenet newsgroup alt.religion.scientology. Most of them are > >disgruntled former cult members and/or members of other similar cults. > > Untruth #1. Aside from the "religion" red herring you tossed in (it's a cult), the critics expose the lies, doubletalk and inconsistencies posted by cult apolo Truth #1: It is a religion Truth #2: It is no longer a cult, since the leader is dead.

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Global Internet Liberty Campaign Alert 2.4
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

GILC Alert Volume 2, Issue 4 March 16, 1998 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Welcome to the Global Internet Liberty Campaign Newsletter ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Welcome to GILC Alert, the newsletter of the Global Internet Liberty Campaign. We are an international organization of groups working for cyber-liberties, who are determined to preserve civil liberties and human rights on the Internet. We hope you find this newsletter interesting, and we very much hope that you will avail yourselves of the action items in future issues. If you are a part of an organization that would be interested in joining GILC, please contact us at gilc(a)gilc.org. If you are aware of threats to cyber liberties that we may not know about, please contact the GILC members in your country, or contact GILC as a whole. Please feel free to redistribute this newsletter to appropriate forums. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ [A] FOREMOST NEWS [A1] GILC to Issue Statement on Internet Content and Conduct [B] ROUNDUP OF GLOBAL INTERNET ISSUES [B1] Africa [B1.1] Sudan's Muslim Sects Want Internet Ban [B1.2] Ghana Brings Internet to People [B2] Asia/Oceania [B2.1] Singapore Requires ISPs to Install Internet Filters [B2.2] Malaysia Warns Against Technology Without Morality [B2.3] Hong Kong Labels Candy Site "Objectionable" [B2.4] Australia Concerned Over US Domain Name Proposals [B3] Europe [B3.1] EU Critiques US Over Domain Name "Green Paper" [B3.2] Russia Considers Amendment to Protect Internet From New "Mass Media" Law [B3.3] Kosovo Atrocities Posted to Internet [B3.4] UK Called on EU Members to Allow Police to "Tap" Encrypted Messages [B4] North America [B4.1] Senate Approves Two Internet Bills [B4.2] FBI Chief Freeh Warns Against "Uncrackable Encryption" [B4.3] FBI Rethinks Encryption Position, For Now [B4.4] New Mexico Censors Internet [B4.5] 100 Companies Join to Fight Encryption Controls +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ CELEBRATE THE 50TH ANNIVERSARY OF THE SIGNING OF THE UNIVERSAL DECLARATION OF HUMAN RIGHTS BY GOING TO THE AMNESTY INTERNATIONAL HUMAN RIGHTS CARAVAN SITE AND JOINING THE THOUSANDS WHO'VE SIGNED THE DOCUMENT. THE CYBER"BOOK" OF SIGNATURES WILL BE CARRIED AROUND THE WORLD AND SIGNED BY DIGNATARIES, CELEBRITIES, POLITICIANS AND OTHERS. REAFFIRM THE WORLD'S DEDICATION TO HUMAN RIGHTS AND CIVIL LIBERTIES!!! http://www.rights.amnesty.org/english/signup/index.html +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ [A] FOREMOST NEWS [A1] GILC to Issue Statement on Internet Content and Conduct Preparing for an OECD one day meeting on "International Co-operation Concerning Content and Conduct on the Internet", 25th March 1998, in Paris, members of the Global Internet Liberty Campaign will soon issue "Content and Conduct on the Internet: The Impact of Self-Regulation and Filtering on Human Rights to Freedom of Expression." Among other things, the statement notes: "Global rating or labeling systems squelch the free flow of information: Efforts to force all Internet speech to be labeled or rated according to a single classification system distorts the fundamental cultural diversity of the Internet and will lead to domination of one set of political or moral viewpoints. Such systems will either be easy to use and not have enough categories for all cultures or it will have so many categories to cater for all cultures that it will be unusable. These systems are antithetical to the Internet and should be rejected." A full report on the OECD meeting and GILCs presentation will appear in the next Alert. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ [B] ROUNDUP OF GLOBAL INTERNET ISSUES [B1] Africa [B1.1] Sudan's Muslim Sects Want Internet Ban Islamic clerics, in recent calls, have focused their ire on Sudan's single Internet Service Provider, Sudanet. Inter Press Service quotes Mohamed Salih Hassan, a cleric of the influential Ansar Muslim sect, who sees the Internet as "pollutive" and fears that Sudanese youth are in jeopardy: "The Muslim people should respect the faith, and not allow such information to reach their families. If an uncontrollable system like the Internet is introduced in society it will be very difficult for us to preach the Kingdom of Allah." The battle to ban the Internet will be difficult, however. The newspaper interviewed people already connected to the Internet; one, who used an alias because he feared repercussions, said: "The Internet is not against anybody. It is a new information system that feeds the world with information . . . . The Internet will bring peace to all of us. It makes me feel like I am living in a world without borders." +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ [B1.2] Ghana Brings Internet to People While most people in Ghana do not have access to their own computers (because of the combined problems of illiteracy, poverty and weak electrical supplies), they will soon have access to the Internet. Several Internet Service Providers are looking for ways to bring the Internet to the average Ghanaian, through channels that people are already familiar with: communication centers that offer secretarial, word-processing, telephone and fax services. Inter Press Service reports "Africa Online will create a domain for each of the participating communications centers. The center, in turn, will be free to create E-mail addresses for its customers, who can then send and receive messages from their address at fixed costs." ISPs are also looking to provide access to school children. Network Computer Systems, another ISP, has recently offered to provide free Internet connections for a year to 100 high schools around the country. Visit the Network Computer Systems homepage: http://www.ghana.com Visit Africa Online: http://www.africaonline.com ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ [B2] Asia/Oceania [B2.1] Singapore Requires ISPs to Install Internet Filters Singapore, which already censors the Internet, books and movies will require its Internet Service Providers to install, at the server level, software that filters "inappropriate material." Reuters quoted Information and Arts Minister George Yeo's address to parliament where he said that a software package, like Netnanny was "in the interest of cleaner, more sanitized internet service." A few days after that speech, Bill Gates said, during a one-day trip to the country: "I have no doubt Singapore, given it is a forward-looking country . . . will avoid doing something that will be a major roadblock." Read http://biz.yahoo.com/finance/980319/singapore__1.html Read http://www.wired.com/news/news/email/other/politics/story/10944.html +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ [B2.2] Malaysia Warns Against Technology Without Morality With Internet cafes springing up in suburbs all over Malaysia, students are beginning to send E-mail, chat in chat rooms, and eventually view sexually explicit material. To officials in the predominantly Moslem country, this presents problems. The nation's censors already take pains to keep movies free from "sex scenes" and magazines bare-breastless. The Associated Press quotes Junid Megat Ayob, Consumer Affairs Minister, who wants stricter controls on the Internet because he sees his mission as keeping youth from "poisoning their minds with filth." To aid in his mission, Cybercafes must now post with authorities about US$5,100 to ensure that their computers remain free from pornography. If the Cafes allow access to sexually explicit material, the government would confiscate the money. Read http://www.wired.com/news/news/politics/story/10712.html Read http://search.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WAPO/19980314/V000800-031498-i dx.html +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ [B2.3] Hong Kong Labels Candy Site "Objectionable" In another attempt to block "objectionable material" from the Internet, Hong Kong has censored a Hershey's candy Web site. The Television and Licensing Authority (TLA) put the "Smarties" candy site on a list of 1,000 sites which it deemed unfit for children. CNET quoted Raymond Yip, of TLA: "We need to investigate the case. It is probably a typing error on our part." Read http://www.news.com/news/item/textonly/0,25,20039,00.html?pfv The "unfit" Web site is: http://www.smarties.com Read EPIC's "Faulty Filters" report: http://www2.epic.org/reports/filter-report.html +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ [B2.4] Australia Concerned Over US Domain Name Proposals The United States has recently proposed a centralized plan to regulate Internet issues. Besides changing the way persons register Internet Domain Names, a US-based corporation would administer the names and subject any disputes to US law. Fears are that the plan would "effectively ensure US jurisdiction over trademark issues and dispute resolution processes," said Senator Richard Alson, the Minister for Communications, the Information Economy and the Arts, in a press release. He added: "We need to ensure that the views of Australian stake holders, and the Australian Government, are fully considered in decisions to reform the international system." Read the Press Release: http://www.dca.gov.au/mediarel/98/028.html Go to Electronic Frontiers Australia for more news on related issues: http://www.efa.org.au +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ [B3] Europe [B3.1] EU Critiques US Over Domain Name "Green Paper" The battle against the US Domain Name proposals is also being waged on European soil. The European Commission has accused the US of desiring to keep the international network of computers under domestic control, and thereby, creating a monopoly. The European Report announced that "the EU and its Member States are calling for a re-balancing of interest and responsibilities in recognition of the Internet's international character." They want balanced and fair participation by the private sector in Internet management. In a "green paper" published in January, the US suggested that the private sector begin controlling essential pieces of the system, instead of the US government. The "essential pieces" are "generic top-level domains": for example, ".net," ".org," and ".com." The Deutsche Presse-Agentur quotes Professor of Computer Science, Werner Zorn of the University of Karlsruhe in Germany: "The U.S. government is trying to prevent foreign dominance on the Internet." Another motive, adds Zorn, is retaining a lucrative source of income. Today, US-based Network Solutions charges $100 per domain name registered. Read the International Council of Registrars' response to the US "Green Paper": http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/980323/core_1.html Read the CATO Institute's "INTERNET DOMAIN NAMES: Privatization, Competition, and Freedom of Expression": http://www.cato.org/pubs/briefs/bp-033es.html +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ [B3.2] Russia Considers Amendment to Protect Internet From New "Mass Media" Law The Moscow Times reported that the Russian Duma has recently proposed a new law on "mass media that could place a roadblock in the path of Russia's fledgling web publishers, from individuals with personal home pages to large corporations blazing the trails of electronic commerce." Duma deputy, Y.M. Nesterov, however, suggested an amendment excluding any mention of "computer information" from the bill. Furthermore, the chair of the committee preparing the bill, displayed some interest in the Internet question. The Communication Committee will examine that and other amendments to the "mass media" bill and draft a second bill for final hearing. As of yet, nothing has been announced. Latest information in Russian: http://www.cityline.ru/politika/media/media.html +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ [B3.3] Kosovo Atrocities Posted to Internet In the remote parts of Yugoslavia, unreliable links to the outside world and the tight-lipped state news agency, Tanjug, have made a journalist's job difficult. But in many situations, the Internet continues to provide detailed and timely reports. The Scotsman reports that Web sites publish, without the "benefit" of censorship, and post eyewitness accounts and pictures of "men, women, and children with eyes gouged out, throats cut, and grenade and gunshot wounds." The Internet accounts guarantee that traditional sources of information will not dictate the spread of complete and accurate information; therefore, "there can be no doubt whatsoever of the veracity of claims made by Albanians in Kosovo." Visit: http://www.kosova.com Visit: http://www.albanian.com Read the GILC Statement on Human Rights and the Internet: http://www.gilc.org/news/gilc-ep-statement-0198.html +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ [B3.4] UK Called on EU Members to Allow Police to "Tap" Encrypted Messages Following the GILC statement on encryption, European Voice reported that officials from the UK desire that, in particular situations, government officials should be authorized to tap encrypted E-mail messages sent through the Internet. Citing concerns with terrorists, the Mafia, and other criminal organizations, UK officials warned: "Where an encryption key is used for confidentiality purposes, it may be necessary for law enforcement agencies to have lawful access . . . .. either overt[ly] or covert[ly]." For an opposing view, European Voice quoted the Business Software Alliance: "Without strong encryption, businesses and individuals will not entrust their valuable proprietary information, creative content, and sensitive information to electronic networks. The result will be that the full potential for electronic commerce, personal growth and government efficiency and other benefits of the information society will be delayed or lost altogether." According to Yaman Akdeniz of Cyber-Rights & Cyber-Liberties (UK) the current UK policy is still not clear: "We will have to wait and see the new policy; and I, unfortunately, believe that it will still be a system which favors key escrow." Read the GILC Statement on possible UK Cryptography Policy: http://www.gilc.org/crypto/uk/gilc-dti-statement-298.html Read BBC News Coverage of the GILC member statement, "UK government dithers on encryption regulation," Feb.20, 1998. http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/special_report/1998/encryption/newsid _58000/58499.stm Read GILC's Cryptography and Liberty: An International Survey of Encryption Policy, February 1998, at http://www.gilc.org/crypto/crypto-survey.html. Read Cyber-Rights & Cyber-Liberties (UK), "First Report on UK Encryption Policy" is available at http://www.leeds.ac.uk/law/pgs/yaman/ukdtirep.htm. Read "Scrambling for Safety" Conference Web site is at http://www.privacy.org/pi/conference/dti/. Read the Walsh Report, "Review of policy relating to encryption technologies": http://www.efa.org.au/Issues/Crypto/Walsh/ Read Kryptographie, Cryptography resources in German from FITUG, at http://www.fitug.de/ulf/krypto/. Britain has delayed any encryption proposals: http://www.techweb.com/wire/story/TWB19980219S0008 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ [B4] North America [B4.1] Senate Approves Two Internet Bills The Senate Commerce Committee approved on a voice vote two bills that restrict speech on the Internet. The first was Senator John McCain's (which would limit student access to constitutionally protected speech in schools and libraries) and the other was Senator Dan Coats's (which would censor legitimate adult speech). McCain's bill requires schools and libraries, which receive federal subsidies for Internet connections, to install filtering software. Senator Conrad Burns, however, offered an amendment that would not require the use of filtering software, but would require that schools have some kind of Internet policy which shields students from sexually explicit material. Senator Coats's bill would censor commercial distribution of "harmful material" to people under 17 years of age. Senator Dan Wyden, the sole dissenter on the Coats bill, criticized Coats's attempt as a "one size fits all" model. Read the ACLU Press Release: http://www.aclu.org/news/n031298b.html Go to the Internet Free Expression Alliance for more news on the bills: http://www.ifea.net Go to the EPIC site for the text of the bills: http://www.epic.org Read EFF's Press Release: http://www.eff.org/pub/Censorship/Internet_censorship_bills/1998_bills /19980312_eff.statement Go to CDT's site for more information: http://www.cdt.org/speech +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ [B4.2] FBI Chief Freeh Warns Against "Uncrackable Encryption" Before a Senate Appropriations Committee Subcommittee on Commerce, Justice, State and Judiciary on March 3rd, Louis Freeh, director of the FBI, argued that online anonymity imperiled FBI criminal investigations and put children in danger: "We would encourage the Internet provider industry to maintain subscriber and call information. We certainly hope it would be done, even on a voluntary basis." Freeh added: "Uncrackable encryption allows, and will continue to allow with increasing regularity, drug lords, terrorists, and even violent gangs to communicate about their criminal intentions with impunity." The ACLU challenged these scare tactics with "Big Brother in the Wires": http://www.aclu.org/issues/cyber/wiretap_brother.html +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ [B4.3] FBI Rethinks Encryption Position, For Now The FBI has had a long history of arguing against strong encryption. Nevertheless, on March 17th, a Justice Department official, Robert Litt, the deputy assistant attorney general of the criminal division, remarked to a Senate Judiciary subcommittee hearing on the constitutional issues raised by government encryption controls: "We are not looking for any mandatory controls domestically at this time." The CyberTimes reported that, for now, he/the FBI/the Clinton administration is "retreating from legislation that would give 'law enforcers access to encrypted computer data and communications.'" CyberTimes: http://www.nytimes.com/library/tech/98/03/cyber/articles/18encrypt.htm l CNET's article: http://www.news.com/news/item/0,4,20149,00.html For a full transcript of the congressional testimony: http://www.computerprivacy.org/archive/03171998-1 Legal scholars respond to Litt: http://www.computerprivacy.org/archive/03231998-1.shtml ACLU's "White Paper" on Clinton's encryption policy: http://www.aclu.org/news/n031798b.html +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ [B4.4] New Mexico Censors Internet The Electronic Frontier Foundation will challenge New Mexico's "Net Indecency Law." Earlier this month, Governor Gary Johnson signed a bill that suffers from the same constitutional defects that caused the Supreme Court to strike down the Federal Communications Decency Act in June of 1997. In a letter to Johnson, Barry Steinhardt, president of EFF (a GILC founding member) wrote, "the bill is patently unconstitutional and represents a threat to freedom of expression, not only in New Mexico, but across the country." EFF's letter: http://www.eff.org/pub/State_and_local/NM/Censorship/Internet_censorsh ip_bills/1998/19980307_eff_sb127.letter CNET article: http://www.news.com/news/item/textonly/0,25,19859,00.html?pfv Reno v. ACLU: http://www.aclu.org/court/renovacludec.html +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ [B4.5] 100 Companies Join to Fight Encryption Controls Americans for Computer Privacy (ACP) has begun an advertisement campaign urging citizens to stop their politicians from limiting encryption. In a press release, ACP stated that it "will implement a multi-million dollar campaign to demonstrate to members of Congress and administration officials that a fair encryption policy is not just a computer issue. It's a privacy issue. It's a consumer issue. It's a medical records issue. It's a taxpayer protection issue. It's a crime deterrent issue. It's a jobs issue. It's a competitive issue. In an open letter, the American Civil Liberties Union, the Electronic Frontier Foundation and the Electronic Privacy Information Center said, (W)e believe that the ACP will be an important ally in the ongoing effort to protect personal privacy in the digital age," the letter says, "and we look forward to working together towards a complete and unrestricted repeal of the current controls on the export of strong cryptography and to resist any domestic restrictions on the use of encryption." The Washington Post article: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/Wplate/1998-03/04/0491-030498-idx ..html ACP can be found at http://www.computerprivacy.org The American Civil Liberties Union, The Electronic Frontier Foundation, and the Electronic Privacy and Information Center issued this joint letter: http://www.aclu.org/news/n030498a.html ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Raafat S. Toss GILC Organizer Developer American Civil Liberties Union 125 Broad Street New York, New York 10004 rtoss(a)aclu.org ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Links to all information in this alert can be found at http://www.gilc.org You are welcome to pass the GILC ALERT to all who may be interested. And you have permission to re-print GILC ALERT and distribute it. If you are not a subscriber but would like to be, please send an email to gilc-announce(a)gilc.org with the following message in the body: Subscribe gilc-announce <your email address> PUBLICATION OF THIS NEWSLETTER IS MADE POSSIBLE BY A GRANT FROM THE OPEN SOCIETY INSTITUTE (OSI)

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Re: [NOISE] Re: RFD: Time to kick some anti-scientologist ass?
by Rich Burroughs 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- At 09:34 AM 6/9/96 EDT, LD wrote: >Rich Burroughs <richieb(a)teleport.com> writes: >> I don't know of any "Anti-Scientologists" who are forging cancels. > >Check out the Lasarus reports on alt.religion.scientology -- 5000 lines, >6000 lines, 7000 lines... Gee, those poor CoS posters you mention must be pretty busy to generate that many messages (which were then canceled). Homer adjusted Lazarus, and the last I knew the reports didn't have enough info for anyone to tell who the sender of the cancel was. Here's an example from back on the 5th: - - ---------------------------------------------------------- Mon Jun 3 19:45:33 EDT 1996 Lazarus V2.3 lightlink.com/var/spool/news/control/1501139 Article: 176082 From: info(a)ars.com (ARS FAQ) Date: 1 Jun 1996 17:34:29 GMT Subject: Bryan Wilson - Diversity Among Religions: A Modern Example. Message-ID: <4opuv5$6s0(a)mordred.cc.jyu.fi> Control: cancel <4opuv5$6s0(a)mordred.cc.jyu.fi> - - ---------------------------------------------------------- Homer condensed them to one post, as they were just exacerbating the spam clutter. I wish he'd have left more info in them. To be honest, I haven't paid that much attention to them in the last few days, since it's impossible to tell from them who issued the cancel. If you know who is forging cancels you might want to share with me, but I honestly don't. The only people I am aware of who have been canceling have been JEM and some of the ISPs involved. Vague accusations against "Anti-Scientologists" don't really tell me much. >> really doubt anyone would have checked with Dimitri first, though :) > >The forged cancels started a short time after one prominent anti-scentologist >flamer e-mailed me and asked for a copy of my cancelbot. (The first time I've >seen him being quasi-polite! :-) The cancels look like they came from my 'bot, >and are directed at _anything posted by certain Co$ supporters. I haven't seen any of the actual cancels, and I wouldn't know how to identify them as being from your bot. Those "certain Co$ supporters" are all probably one person who's telnetting to open NNTP ports and forging thousands of messages a day. The posts are all obviously produced by a script (pulling info mainly from the CoS book _What is Scientology_), and they are not anything even in the neighborhood of an honest attempt at communication. It's Net abuse, and I think you must be trolling if you don't see that. Should have known you'd go where the action is :) >I don't care about the bizarre religion views of the present or former cult >members, but forging cancels makes you as much of a slime as Co$. The messages that are being canceled are forgeries. They are a result of an abuse of service. That isn't at all the same as CoS canceling due to content. Those poor "certain Scientologists" you mentioned have produced over 12,000 forged messages, which are actually only a small number of articles that are being continually reposted. Most must be way over the BI. I'm not crying a river for them. >I note that you chose to ignore the cypherpunks-relevant portion of my question >- that the anti-scientologists have been abusing the cypherpunks remailers. Wow. Good thing that there was a relevant portion, huh. :) Sorry I missed it. I have some mixed feelings about the CoS materials that were posted through the remailers. I'm sorry that Hacktic was shut down, but I don't think that was the intent of the people who posted those materials. They were blowing the whistle on a criminal organization. I can't honestly say whether I think their actions were "right" or not. In any case, the actions you've described were committed by a handful of people. There are hundreds of Anti-Scientologists who post to a.r.s., and many more who lurk. Probably less than 5 have done wholesale posting of copyrighted materials, (beyond what would be considered "fair use") and most of them didn't even use remailers. Scamizdat being the big exception. I'm assuming that your anti-"Anti-Scientologist" screed is just an attempt to get people riled up. Having fun? Rich -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMbsypoT0GKfZRA/9AQF62wP/TUdUKXwAgO7irnE08P5mSP1K+MNP0Ukb ZqZPCKmWxrtHql/a3E7dYquQ0fp9fCe4a+d/TyvJQFAc3/LS/6/Qb6nkOB0HqSP5 +9URNIJPgBVRigxbL0m9ZJS6zzw9+ewRi6mu1wxaaHlPE/QDjZZnfKJi8bjcMUCk Ap7kN+sw8GQ= =jIEl -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ______________________________________________________________________ Rich Burroughs richieb(a)teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~richieb See my Blue Ribbon Page at http://www.teleport.com/~richieb/blueribbon New EF zine "cause for alarm" - http://www.teleport.com/~richieb/cause

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No Subject
by winn＠Infowar.Com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Class III InfoWar Part 2 Report from Europe FEEL FREE TO DISTRIBUTE WIDELY I am ostensibly on vacation with my wife and two children ages 11 & 5 : Here we are in Venice, Italy but I can't ignore what seems to be going on in England. American media does not appear to be following it. So here 's what is happening. Headline of June 9, 1996 Sunday Times in London reads: "Secret Inquiry into Cyber Terror." This is a follow-up of last Sundays story about alleged extortion attacks against British financial institutions using Trojan Horses and /or HERF Guns. According to today's article, the British government is holding secret investigations into the "attacks" for more than two years involving the Dept. of Trade and Industry (DTI), government communications headquarters (GCHQ), the Brits NSA, The Defence Research Agency (DRA), and the Bank of England. On June 8, the DTI issued a public statement which included : "We are very interested in the allegations of extortion directed at City of London institutions which were brought to our attention in 1994. We responded then by involving many government organizations ... so far we have not been presented with any hard evidence from victims. We would urge those threatened to come forward." DTI Director of Technical Affairs, David Hendon wrote a letter in May 1995 saying they took the extortion issue "Extremely seriously." The Times' reporter's say they have seen some of the evidence that was submitted to DTI and GCHQ which includes a chart on 46 of the attacks. According to the article DRA Senior Director, Professor David Parks, his agency is " especially interested in the "weaponry" deployed by the cyber terrorists." The Tmes continued : "The agency (DRA) believes high intensity radio frequency "HIRF" guns may have been used to black out trading positions in City finance houses. The weapon disables a computer by firing elctromagnetic radiation at it and is a "Black Programme" at the Defence Ministry, one of the highest security classification levels." In Dec. Of 1995, the DRA and Parks approached a company who specializes in information warfare and asked them to "arrange a demonstration of a portable HIRF weapon in Germany." The article further states that details on the HIRF systems and their use in the City of London have been compiled by a British computer magazine and are being passed onto government officials. ***** I have spoken to more than fifty media in the last week about this story: The comments range from "suspicious" of the British reports, "sounds psy -fi", "alarming", "scary" and the like. Even though I am on vacation (Ha!) I called a few of my expert friends for a sanity check and here is what we have to say. * The alleged software attacks mentioned in last weeks article are more likely the weapon than HERF/HIRF attacks that todays' article focuses on. * "Given the kind of systems they use and their connectivity, I can figure a hundred ways to do what the article say" one of my experts stated. * As for the HERF/HIRF we have worked out a number of models for a number for the attacks scenarios mentioned, but we have a targeting problem. A free-space (air) based attacked would create a wide dispersion pattern and likely have effected other organizations not just those specifically under attack. * A ground plane attack might cause the alleged results but requires more physical access to the facility. A few thoughts of the potential motivations: * Were the alleged attacks meant as a malicious Denial of Service (DNS) attack or as a profit scheme? * Were trading volumes and the stock prices of the alleged victims effected during the times in question? * Was internal profit taking an ulterior motive ? * I have to keep in mind if we give these stories credence, that over 50% of computer crimes involve insiders. According to my British friends, the Sunday Times is preparing even more on this story which will appear next Sunday - when I will be in London to get it back to you within minutes. So, the kids are fine. "Thanks for asking." My life is almost relaxed, and we are now headed into the Alps for a leisurely 8 hr drive and will spend the night at the Jungfrau. "Damn, it's raining. It will have to be beer and sauerkraut." In the meantime, contact betty(a)infowar.com at Interpact for comments and interviews. Back at your later! Winn Schwartau Peace Winn Winn Schwartau - Interpact, Inc. Information Warfare and InfoSec V: 813.393.6600 / F: 813.393.6361 Winn(a)InfoWar.Com

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Re: Thank you for the Archives 100 messages
by qut＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> This isn't true. I don't believe in killfiles. Being on my twit list simply > means that you're entitled to a brief acknowledgement of every message you How polite, like a Courtesy_Copy. Thanks! > send me. Skippy was added after he sent me the 3MB results from the > rec.music.white-power vote as a rather limp mailbombing attempt (free clue: > it takes a lot more than that to make a dent in our bandwidth or disk > space); see http://www.stanford.edu/~llurch/potw2/rec.music.white-powder for > that email. Liar. Since they got rid of the old Bell, Stanford is as good as Netcom in their top level functions, I retreived the above page in a few seconds, it's the terminals and stuff which cause the problems. You, for instance, only use Micro$oft, so you lose out on the use of Stanford's T3's, which I use all the time whenever I'm logged in to Netcom. As if there's anybody stupid enough to use Micro$oft for networking, much less Dial-ups! > > somebody has placed a global cancel bot on I was wrong, I was just Dicked a few forge-cancels. He got angry of course, when I added misc.test, which means he can't continue to forge-cancel without quickly alerting me. > > me. I'm gonna have plenty of fun figuring > > this out. Kwow any good sniffers? > > The one that used to be running on darth.stanford.edu was pretty good. > Since February 22nd, I've working on the assumption that everything I do > unencrypted is public. I would revoke my PGP key, but I never used it much > for receiving mail anyway, and I'm not sure that it was found. You could explain to us what you are talking about, but that would threaten your B1!?3 status. > > I agree the list should be public usenet: > > A mail gate-way to a usenet group that > > ALSO permits unmoderated posts. This > > would be a nice way to combine a strict > > moderated mail-list, with a standard > > netnews group. Great idea. For stormfront. BTW, can you forge-request another archives for me? I saw a couple of letters before losing the rest. I'm trying to work novell dos with linux and making a general mess of things. Picked up an unwrapped copy for $40, is that a good deal? > Gee, what a great idea! Why hasn't anyone thought of that? hks.net, for > example. Unfortunately, there are too many copyright terrorists here. Never noticed it. > There's a tradeoff between freedom and visibility. As astute readers are > aware, hks.net had to take down the archives after WSJ made a threat that > was a little too credible. Never noticed it. You folks are just so damned paranoid. The government's not out to get you, just help you. > -rich > > -- Kill Your Television

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Re: Whalepunks, Marginpunks, Gunpunks, Clintonpunks, and Politics
by Duncan Frissell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 01:09 PM 6/8/96 -0700, Timothy C. May wrote: >First, a Smith and Wesson is not what the tots should be carrying. An MP-5K >would fit nicely in their bookpacks (especially now that all yuppie kids >carry de rigeur designer backpacks, though mostly for designer water). More >firepower. >My point of view is that while schools should be free of guns, adult >citizens should probably have access to guns. There are, sadly, nutty >people who will use nearly any available weapon to commit mayhem and mass >murder. Rifles, shotguns, axes, knives... And to bring things back somewhat to cypherpunk (or at least technopunk)issues, weapons control (like other forms of regulation) is defeated by technology. Last week's Economist had an article on the first commercially available 3D "printers" or desktop fabrication stations. A bit hard to control weapons when one can just print off a few. In addition other technical advances are bound to put a host of weapons in everyone's hands. You can't disarm a technically advanced population. Too many tools can be adapted to kill. This being the case, you should allow your society to adapt to this reality by getting people used to the concept of self defense, small group defense, and behaving oneself in public. >Remember, "Guns don't kill people, postal workers do." In fact, in 1995 the term to go "postal" entered the vocabulary. As in the sentence "LD went postal and wiped out the whole ballet class." Another Cypherpunks angle lies in the fact that fans of "going postal" have also noted that 14 is a Schelling point for the number of victims of one of these massacres. I wonder why that is? Magazine size? >In general, I think Phill raises some good points about the efficiency of >free markets. However, I doubt that Cypherpunks is the proper forum for >debating economic theory, for various reasons. I lean strongly toward the >free market side, inasmuch as I think most non-free market economies are >actually just cases where the government controls the _single_ corporation >they let run an industry, and thus one gets a worse situation that with the >grossest excesses of capitalism. I always ask the commies how they can guarantee that political complications won't interfere with the perfect implementations of their no doubt superior five year plans. I can guarantee that the commissar's brother-in-law will go bankrupt (if he deserves to) under capitalism. How can they guarantee that under socialism? >However, the reason many of us don't jump in and write defenses of free >markets here (and I would not have except to make my transhumanist joke--so >sue me) is that this list is not "Libernet" nor any of the similar >political discussion lists. Also it's not necessary since markets can take care of themselves these days. "History is on our side." "We will bury you." "The Multinational unites the human race." "Di-electrical materialism dooms both the ancien regime and state capitalism." etc. DCF "A free market is what you get when people are free."

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Re: US: Domestic Encryption Protected by US Constitution?
by Duncan Frissell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 10:36 PM 6/8/96 -0700, Timothy C. May wrote: >I don't think we want crypto controlled by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, >and Firearms, do we? That'd be the BATFC. To be called "bat fuck" in the popular press (but not on the post-CDA Net). DCF "If you have a job opening in a cool climate for an experienced technical author with a solid understanding of cryptography, write to me."

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