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Re: "This post is G-Rated"
by Duncan Frissell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 10:42 AM 1/26/96 -0800, Bill Frantz wrote: >I think you have a very different view of rating than I do. For example, I >would be comfortable rating all the Sesame Street shows for sex and >violence without seeing any more than I have seen, just based on the >reputation of the show's producers. Based on reviews in the newspaper >(since the net has replaced TV for me), most of the current network shows >can also be rated for all their episodes. Remember also, there is an >"unrated" catagory. Some people will refuse to access unrated material. >Others, (I suspect you and I) may seek it out. > That's fine for "brand name" shows but who's going to rate the 50 years of home movies Fred C. Schwartz has lovingly digitized and put up on *his* server. DCF

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ANNOUNCEMENT: IMC Resolving Security Complexity Workshop
by Dave Crocker 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

These are the final arrangements: Resolving Email Security Complexity Workshop 21 February 1996 * 8:30 AM - 5:00 PM San Jose (CA) Hilton & Towers * San Carlos Room (next to Convention Center) Pre-registration & payment: $50 * After February 16: $75 (cash, check, wire transfer, money order, or First Virtual) Pass this note on to others who are deeply involved in email security. AGENDA The meeting will be structured with a tight agenda, having a very focused sequence of work; it is definitely not for general education. Some amount of review is appropriate, but not much. The following agenda is tentative and will be reviewed and modified on the pre-workshop discussion list. Morning * Very briefly describe the MOSS, PGP, and S/MIME solutions * Review the functional and technical concerns * Review the extent to which each alternative satisfies the concerns * Seek consensus for concerns that qualify as requirements Afternoon * Haggle about the strengths and weaknesses of the technical alternatives * Explore the choices and/or negotiate a preferred solution ONLINE RESOURCES To register for the meeting: Web: <http://www.imc.org/workshop-registration> Email: <mailto:workshop-registration@imc.org> For discussion before and after the meeting: Web: <http://www.imc.org/workshop/> Email: <mailto:resolving-security-request@imc.org>

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Re: SHA-2
by Kent Briggs 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >I think that has a bit to do with a question I had, whether it was SHA >and SHA-1 (aka "Revised SHA") but I've found the revised version being >referred to as "SHA-2" in a couple of sources and went with that.... >unless there *is* a third revision...?!? > >Problem is the memo I saw still referred to the revised algorithm as >SHA. (Anyone have a URL for FIPS 180-1 Please...?) > >Rob. > It is SHA-1. Look for FIP180-1.TXT on NIST's BBS at (301)-948-5140. I think they also have a web site but I don't have the URL (try Yahoo). Kent - --- [This message has been signed by an auto-signing service. A valid signature means only that it has been received at the address corresponding to the signature and forwarded.] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Gratis auto-signing service iQBFAwUBMQue3CoZzwIn1bdtAQFd3AGA0hJA7VvzmikZ8lC3ZPnkudPvpnivBi6e sabfhN3DZXGYuhuOrHsEbYVmiTSfLPUK =V5G8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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PAC_man
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

1-28-96. TWP: "Informant's Revelations on Cali Cartel Implicate Colombian Officials." Inside the counterintelligence center for notorious Cali drug lord Jose Santacruz Londono was an IBM AS/400 computer storing coded information that listed thousands of bribes awarded by the Cali cartel to many individuals known collectively as "Caso 8000." The cartel's sysadmin has been decoding the computer's data and implicating officials from Colombian government, politics, the military and the entertainment industry. He later would be indicted as part of a major racketeering case brought by federal prosecutors in Miami against U.S. lawyers who allegedly have protected Cali interests here and abroad -- three private lawyers who are former federal prosecutors, including one who served as a high-ranking Justice Department official. PAC_man ----- TWP has a followup on the AOL raid, mostly a police story grisler on the cyber-prowling horny-cats. Has ICU of the terminal logoff by a 13-year-old nerd. The fuz posted a call-in for anon tips: "You know how many we've gotten from our on-line hot line? Not one. It's like they have this fantastic world they operate in, and we are seen as intruders or something." ICU_ded

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hash trees and bank solvency
by William "Bud" Kennedy 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- I am not so much worried about the bank stealing money out of my account as I am worried about them loaning to deadbeat countries to support some governmental idea of foreign policy. Then, of course, there is always the possibility that they will loan it to some deadbeat country, not because of the government, but because of just outright stupidity. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMQu03QQo9ewScbyxAQE4HgP9GqMv8rs8PAEn16h8bZ0JHktAFm85EOr0 QI5BHqN2RYCpWzYpfE8aaD/4KgmKMJJQR2Ae0OSwBx6AY4CdgZlccr/ARn1a2vtN 5Wm7JQ2ymteWy5Jn0IocJkZkscX4q3WHp1Iuw8mhoT9+Y+0urOHHP+mH5YhDvj7R CaHWHAcI+iY= =U0jF -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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The Politics of Mistrust
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The Washington Post initiates today a 6-part series on the loss of trust in all American institutions, "The Politics of Mistrust," based on a recent poll sponsored by the Post, Harvard and the Kaiser Family Foundation. While not directly related to technical crypto, a number of findings parallel discussions here about the diminution of personal and economic security. Samples: America is becoming a nation of suspicious strangers, and this mistrust of each other is a major reason Americans have lost confidence in the federal government and virtually every other major national institution. Every generation that has come of age since the 1950s has been more mistrusting of human nature, a transformation in the national outlook that has deeply corroded the nation's social and political life. Mistrustful Americans repeatedly expressed far less confidence in the federal government, the military, the Supreme Court, Congress and the Clinton administration than the dwindling numbers of Americans who were more upbeat about human nature. Fear of crime, economic insecurity and pessimism about the lives of future generations all have separately added to the belief that government is either making things worse or is incapable of making them better. Today, a clear majority of respondents in their early 20s said they do not trust their fellow Americans, a view they share with one in four Americans over the age of 60. "It's like living in the cave man age," said a 29- year-old. "Nobody cares anymore. Nobody cares. They will no sooner run you down and run away than to spit in your face." An environment in which a majority of Americans believe that most people can't be trusted breeds attitudes that hold all politicians as corrupt, venal and self-serving, and government action is doomed to failure. Wages have stagnated, workers change jobs frequently and downsizing corporations offer little protection even to the most loyal of employees. Americans who feel most pessimistic about the economy also are more likely to see the government as a threat. Harvard and Kaiser are to separately publish their own analysis of the poll. The first article offers much more detail and is quite long, about a page and a half. Perhaps someone might offer a site where this and others in the series could be made available as they appear. If so, send me a note.

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Re: "Gentlemen do not read each other's mail"
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- At 01:40 PM 1/26/96 -0500, Robert A. Rosenberg wrote: >At 20:18 1/25/96, jim bell wrote: > >>Now, I was born in 1958 and thus can't claim personal knowledge of the time, >>but it's truly amazing how UNPERCEPTIVE the public must have been in the >>late 40's and early '50s about "intelligence" realities. Let me give you a >>specific example: The classic movie, "The Man who Never Was," relates the >>(true) story of a counter-intelligence mission done by the British to (I >>think) mislead the Germans into believing that the attack on Sicily would be >>substantially LATER than it actually was. > >The code name for the project was "Operation Mincemeat" and the intent was >to get the defences at Normandy ("Operation Torch" - ie: D-Day) away from >there and transferred to Sicily (which was NOT a D-Day objective) not as >you say to fool them on when the attack was coming. It did its job and much >of the mobile coastal defences were moved out of the area. I apologize for the error (presuming it's an error). I was working from an old memory there, from reading a book called "A Bodyguard of Lies" (William Cave Brown?) which addresses the misinformation/disinformation campaigns that went on during WWII. And, of course, seeing the movie "The Man who Never Was." -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMQlEXfqHVDBboB2dAQHwlwP8DJt2Vg5jmI/gQ8dV5rXJ6mgHFwmzAcMA 12kJWWUJzQg/6M/acTtwTntUYaT9sJ5nxfE6mV58KEpGRuz76ZAZ3LSugG/DlAAx NL1AMqhcv1Xelh+UD7tLqhH/lTt5mDJC0pWWquyOi85l8TOo05142BUOYL9YPx6q 6XjRqUgIDu8= =CcUZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Denning's misleading statements
by Alan Olsen 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 03:12 PM 1/28/96 -0500, Rev. Ben wrote: >On Sun, 28 Jan 1996, Peter Wayner wrote: > >> I believe that David Gelerntner, the professor of computer >> science at Yale University injured by a UNABOMBER bomb, is also >> a supporter of the Clipper chip. This may or may not be >> something that arose from the bombing. But I'm not sure how many >> cavaets and things he adds to his position. He may have changed >> it. But then he's not exactly a cryptographer. > >There's quite a few folks in the Yale CS department that are pro-Clipper >or fence sitters. They justify it in class by claiming that law >enforcement needs these abilities if LE is to remain effective. I wonder if the same justifications were used for the Inquisition. "We have to use these methods in order for the Church to remain effective." Currently we have a whole host of laws that are difficult, if not impossible to enforce. The response from law enforcement is that we have to use stronger and stronger enforcement methods to shore up laws that are by their nature unenforcable. How they expect to do this and remain in a non-police state is beyond me. I expect that such enforcement methods will be sold to us the same way that they sell us soap and presidents. The media will give us plenty of "reasons" as to why we have to accept draconian methods to resolve problems from undefined enemies. Already we get the "real life" cop shows showing us a whole host of "enemies" who need to be hauled off to jail and the news programs showing us the scare story of the moment. Expect the four horsemen to get closer and closer as the shacles are ready to be put into place. Such enforcement is self-defeating in the long run. It is based off the false perception that the governed cannot recognise that these laws are unenforcable. Continued enforcement of "unenforcable" laws increases the disrespect for laws in general. ("The imposition of order equals the escalation of disorder.") The question is when the bulk of the population will see what is being prepared for them... Probibly after it is too late. Alan Olsen -- alano(a)teleport.com -- Contract Web Design & Instruction `finger -l alano(a)teleport.com` for PGP 2.6.2 key http://www.teleport.com/~alano/ Is the operating system half NT or half full?

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Re: The Big Lie
by mpd＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Rich Salz <rsalz(a)osf.org> writes: > That's an interesting point, but it does not apply to the > majority of humanity. "The Holocaust" is not an O.D. of > something, it is a shorthand term for things like Final > Solution and the camps. Regardless of what one wishes to call such a term, there are obvious dangers to using shorthand, abbreviations, OD's, acronyms, and other such things as if they possessed predictive power, or some magical ability to explain the things they reference by virtue of their construction. It is of course even sillier to question their existence. If I define "Salz Syndrome" as a tendency by people named "Rich" to post messages suggesting that discussions of Holocaust semantics are off-topic for the Cypherpunks list, then I have to a certain extent stacked the deck when rhetorically asking questions like... Why does Rich post such messages? Or when I answer a question about the legitimacy of Saltz Syndrome as a real disease by feigning surprise and saying indignantly - "Surely you are not suggesting Saltz Syndrome doesn't exist!?" By the same token, I don't feel "Did the Holocaust happen?" is a particularly well-formed or useful question. The answer, by almost any criteria, is most certainly "Yes", and answering the question tells me nothing I didn't know before I asked it. All of this is of course orthogonal to the point I was trying to make, which is that while such flaws of logic and debate go largely unnoticed in the unconnected world, and often result in the winning of debates, they generally get flamed royally on the Net, where a different set of rules apply. -- Mike Duvos $ PGP 2.6 Public Key available $ mpd(a)netcom.com $ via Finger. $

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Re: "German service cuts Net access" (to Santa Cruz)
by E. ALLEN SMITH 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: IN%"frissell(a)panix.com" "Duncan Frissell" 28-JAN-1996 07:06:37.29 >At 12:07 AM 1/28/96 -0800, Timothy C. May wrote: >* the Germans recently arrested an American who landed in Germany >somewhere, as part of a trip. It seems he had been involved with the >production of Neo-Nazi material, somewhere out west. This was the last I >heard about the story. Sorry, I'm going from carbon-based memory. He was grabbed in Denmark and extradited to Germany so you'd have to avoid most of the EU. ------------------- One wonders if this would happen to an ISP who carried Neo-Nazi material and happened to travel to some part of the EU. Or would other countries than Germany have a bit more sense? -Allen

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