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Re: Not. [Was Re: Federal Reserve Bank is ILLEGAL?]
by ph＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 11:57 PM 11/11/1996, "Michael Froomkin - U.Miami School of Law" <froomkin(a)law.miami. wrote: > On Tue, 12 Nov 1996, Doug Renner wrote: >> article nearly head-on. However is it true that what you are saying is >> that two fundamental premises in the article you refer to as "rabid" are >> incorrect? Namely: >> "ARTICLE 1, SECTION 8 OF THE CONSTITUTION STATES THAT CONGRESS SHALL HAVE >> THE POWER TO COIN (CREATE) MONEY AND REGULATE THE VALUE THEREOF. > The above is a true statement. Note however that "congress" cannot > operate the mint. It must -- **MUST** -- delegate this duty to the > executive branch (or someone outside the legislative branch, cf. Chadha > v. U.S.) if it wants it done. Congress is free to select the type > of agent it wants to do this. Indeed, if Congress chose to license > private mints, that would, IMHO be legal. The point here is that the > states don't have the power to coin money. During the Free Banking Era, banks and companies issued their own dollars. I believe that at that time the dollar was defined in terms of a certain weight of gold. The value of any dollar you might be holding was related to the level of confidence in the institution that issued it. Books were published which recorded the "exchange rate" between each kind of dollar. This is very similar to Congress licensing private mints. Peter Hendrickson ph(a)netcom.com

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Re: How Many Games of Chess?
by pcw＠access.digex.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> >This is tangentially related to crypto. I've been reading A.K. Dewdney's > >_The New Turning Omnibus_ recently to refresh my memory of all that stuff > >I learned in undergrad that I'm going to see again on the Comp Sci GRE > >shortly. :-) Anyway, I was glancing through the chapters on complexity, > >computabilty, and minimax trees, and I got to wondering something: how > >many possible games of chess are there? I know that it has to be a finite > >number, but I'm not sure how to go about finding this number. Any > >pointers would be appreciated. > >First, I think there are a finite number of games only if all stale-mates >are are required to terminate. There is that curious rule that ends a game when the same board position occurs three times in the course of the game. I wonder if there were any real cool endgames where the underdog was able to manipulate the overdog into repeating the position three times? Peter Wayner * 4129 Roland Ave. #1B, Baltimore, MD 21211-2038 410-366-1452

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Re: Left, Right, Up, Down--Libertarian Ideas
by wcs＠anchor.ho.att.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> Tim May writes: > >In fairness to my left-leaning friends (Dave Mandl as a good example), > >the questions in the Nolan Chart test are designed to make almost > >anyone appear to be a libertarian. Only if you try hard to be inclusive and get people to answer "yes"; if your spin when asking/explaining the question are "no", you can often conclude that most people are statists and drive away all but the really hard-core libertarians... I have found, though, that it's biased toward getting a reasonable spread of answers from average-American types - it doesn't work very well for people who have a non-mainstream agenda (giving it at a Socialist Scholars' Conference was *very* interesting, and anarchists tend to either like or hate it or say "so what - you haven't asked any of the *interesting* questions!") It's a lot more useful for getting people who haven't thought much beyond the simplified left-right vote-like-(or against)-your-parents view that the media and mainstream politicians seems to use to think about what their political views imply, or whether the labels they and their politicians have been using really match. And if you don't like it, you can always chuck it and let the discussion go on from there. David Mandl writes: > I responded the way I did to John Kreznar's post precisely because it > looked identical to standard Republican-style leftist-baiting, which I > unfortunately see too much of every day on the net. John cleared this up :-) I was surprised to see you two arguing, since you're both anarchists or variants thereon. As Sandy points out, for the purposes of keeping crypto legal, people who support that can be our friends, and people who oppose it are opportunities for education or maybe targets for pressure. Bill Stewart

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Re: Bobby Inman
by Pierre Uszynski 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

There was some mentions that he spend some time in the private sector since "then". Anybody knows what he was doing? Pierre Uszynski pierre(a)shell.portal.com

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Re: Keyserver service outRAGE
by gtoal＠an-teallach.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

: From: Black Unicorn <unicorn(a)access.digex.net> : This is silly. : Why a server would want to use licensed code is understandable. : Why a server would try to restrict keys generated by versions other : than 2.4 & the mysterious 2.5 is moronic. They were told to as part of the deal to get the license. : I will not use this server regardless of which version I have and use, : and I urge others to resist the use of this server as well. : This policy only serves to create suspicion and drain confidence in : versions of PGP over 2.3a. No no, you missed the point! 2.5 will be made *public*! It's not another private viacrypt job. : I ask the following questions: : Will source code be available for PGP2.5? Of course. : Who was responsible for the modifications that make PGP2.5, version 2.5? : I ask the operators of the remaining servers to remove the MIT server : from their automatic mirror update list and to avoid a policy of excluding : keys generated by any "non-conforming" software in their own operations. I don't think they'll listen. They understand the politics better than you do. : I ask users of PGP not to add future keys to the offending server. Why? Add it to any one and it'll end up there. : I call on cypherpunks to estlablish less formal key servers and develop : more stealthy and secure methods of key distribution. Now you're just talking crap. Uni, hush now, shut up, and listen. You've entirely missed the point here. This is a major tactical strike for pgp. We finally have an entirely legal pgp, thanks to some excellent net.politics from the guys at MIT. The restriction on what new keys they accept was part of the deal, but stop and think what it really means - is it going to affect *anybody*? And what's to stop you fetching 2.5 and loading/re-dumping your old key from that version? This is *good news*, and we don't need any half-cocked wallies spreading FUD over what is the best thing to happen to pgp ever. G

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(fwd) Join our Betting Systems Re-development Project...
by tcmay＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I'm attaching a job offer here for a couple of reasons: - it mentions a new betting system programming job in Hong Kong (shades of the "Internet Casino"? Actually, no, not in this case...but it _could_ be...) - the focus on object-oriented methods to rewrite their transaction-processing system has echoes of the "protocol" problem we're talking about here - expect very similar projects, someday, for projects in the cypherspace --Tim Newsgroups: comp.object From: gu_jc5(a)uxmail.ust.hk (Steven Wong) Subject: Join our Betting Systems Re-development Project Reengineering team Message-ID: <1994May4.062924.2984(a)uxmail.ust.hk> Sender: usenet(a)uxmail.ust.hk (usenet account) Organization: Hong Kong University of Science and Technology Date: Wed, 4 May 1994 06:29:24 GMT Technology Architect Join our Betting Systems Re-development Project Re- engineering team The Royal Hong Kong Jockey Club is evolving into a sophisticated user of high volume transaction processing technology for one of the largest wagering systems in the world which handles over US$100 million each race meeting. To meet our user demands of tomorrow - for example design for real-time support of horse racing events around the globe - we now face the enormous challenge of re-developing the total technology base and infrastructure of these betting systems which will reach the end of their life by the end of the millennium. We are re-engineering with an objective to implement an up-to- date Open Distributed Systems and Object Orientation approach, in order to create flexible systems capable of supporting the demanding needs of the Hong Kong market place and to position us for absorbing change well into the next century. We are replacing systems at the client, network and senior levels. The re-development of our network includes the metropolitan area branch offices, two racetracks and a 1,600 workstation Telebet Auditorium. As Technology Architect working with the Application Architect and other members of the technical team you will undertake the task of developing benchmarks and supporting the Development and Technical Research and Planning teams to develop strategies for system development. With a penchant for problem solving, you must have strong practical experience in our planned technologies, and still be hands on with regard to coding and debugging. Experience with OO, C++ and Unix is essential. A knowledge of both written and spoken Cantonese would also be a distinct advantage. This Hong Kong based position will be on a fixed 2-3 year contract. To attract outstanding people, the packages will be mainly cash remuneration at a level reflecting experience and Hong Kong relocation/living costs. In the first instance, apply with full career details quoting relevant ref. number, by E-mail: mimi(a)attmail.com, or by writing to The Senior Personnel Manager, The Royal Hong Kong Jockey Club, 2 Sports Road, Happy Valley, Hong Kong. Fax: (852) 576 1987 or (852) 577 2773.

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Re: Anonymous phone calls...
by andreas.elbert＠gmd.de 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>Maybe in Norway you do, but not here. The Orange Cards were >completely anonymous, I think, and there's certainly no reason that a >card system couldn't be set up that is anonymous if those weren't. > prepaid cards can be set up to work anonymously, sure. Unfortunately, the one making this decision (the network operator) is more concerned with toll fraud and usage statistics. E.g. the german telekoms payphone log the time of a call and the serial number of the prepaid card. (And the only one reading their publications (and complaining) is the CCC, which has not quite the right reputation to raise the newspapers attention)

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Re: whois cypherpunks.org ?
by Adam Shostack 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Aleph1 (Levy) is a grey hatted hacker. Amongst other things, he moderates the bugtraq mailing list. Decent fellow. Adam Anil Das wrote: | With all this talk about relocating the home of cypherpunks, I decided to | see if any second level domains are registered under the cypherpunks | name. | | Both cypherpunks.org and cypherpunks.com are registered by one | Elias M. Levy in Ft. Meade, MD. I haven't seen his name on the list | though. Anybody knows more about this? | | -- | Anil Das | -- "It is seldom that liberty of any kind is lost all at once." -Hume

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Keyserver service outage (fwd)
by lassie!jim%lassie＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

FORWARDED MAIL ------- From: netcomsv.netcom.com!ah.com!hughes (Eric Hughes) Date: 05 May 94 Originally To: toad.com!cypherpunks >And since the RSA and IDEA patents aren't valid in Europe, this >is 100% kosher. You guys use MIT-PGP and we'll use free pgp 2.5 IDEA is an international patent, from ETH in Switzerland. Eric What about the idiots that do not know and FTP from STP? -- * Spelling errors are intentional and international * Jim Nalbandian netcomsv!lassie!jim%lassie(a)netcom.com Tempe, Arizona, USA N7SZS(a)K7BUC.AZ.US.NA No free man shall ever be de-barred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain there right to keep and bear arms is as a last resort to protect themselves against tyranny in government. <-------- Thomas Jefferson --

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Detweiler: still paranoid
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Newsgroups: talk.politics.crypto,alt.privacy,alt.privacy.anon-server,news.admin.policy,comp.org.eff.talk,comp.admin.policy,alt.conspiracy From: ld231782(a)turner.lance.colostate.edu (L. Detweiler) Subject: Re: CRYPTOANARCHIST INFILTRATION ALERT Sender: news(a)yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU (News Account) Message-ID: <Dec19.075042.7988(a)yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> Date: Sun, 19 Dec 1993 07:50:42 GMT References: <PMETZGER.93Dec6212145(a)snark.lehman.com> <1993Dec7.235821.25954(a)oracle.us.oracle.com> <pgf.755746191(a)srl03.cacs.usl.edu> <1993Dec17.001757.1814(a)oracle.us.oracle.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: turner.lance.colostate.edu Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO 80523 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 021193BETA PL3] Followup-To: talk.politics.crypto,alt.privacy,alt.privacy.anon-server,news.admin.policy,comp.org.eff.talk,comp.admin.policy,alt.conspiracy I seem to have missed much of this thread. My news server seems to have scrolled off all the interesting articles. I was hoping more cryptoanarchists would show up to call me insane. Quite a pity. David Criswell (dcriswel(a)oracle.uucp) wrote: : There's only one in the phone book. Cupertino's not all that : big, and Szabo's a fairly uncommon name. If I were, umm, you : know, in Mr. Detweiler's mental state, this might lead me to : conclude that somebody was lifting "pseudos" from Bay Area : phonebooks, and the one in the directory does not post. I : don't really care about it enough to call him. Mr. Criswell, could you describe the difficulty of getting fake names into a phone book? is this trivial or impossible? This is not to in any way imply that N.Szabo is such an occurence. I don't know why everyone on the internet gives every single email address they meet the benefit of the doubt. They all should get the detriment of the suspicion. But what do I know? I am just a paranoid lunatic who is progressing quite nicely on Prozac and intense psychoanalysis, thank you very much. Imagine that someone has made an art, science, and religion to pseudospoof. Why would they do it? because there is immense power behind such a technique. And minor barriers like phone numbers and phone books would be the first mediums they corrupt. People trust phone numbers -- they believe that if you can supply a phone number, you are are not a pseudonym. What is the basis for this belief? The foundation? Nothing but naive trust that is easily betrayed by those who have build their lives around deceptions. Don't care? well, don't blame me when tomorrow you find out that the cryptoanarchists own the largest share of the world mafia, and have succeeded in doing so by coordinating it over the Internet. Even better yet, let you be tortured by them all your life without ever discovering the true source of your wretched desperation. -- ld231782(a)longs.LANCE.ColoState.EDU

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