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anonymous mail
by rttc0025＠pophost.club.innet.be 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

could you send me the name of an remailer that works in Belgium please, i would be most gratefull thank you yours truly ambi

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by announce＠lists.zdnet.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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The spam thread
by Jason William RENNIE 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Ooops, looks like i started a raging debate. Sorry if this debate bores anybody but as was said to me, just delete it. I notice nobody commented on the i just dont want advertising in my mailbox point, and why shouldn't they be billed. What i suggested WASN'T a new law that could be abused etc. It was a very minor legal precedent, where the owner of a phone or email box could be paid for advertising in in IF the marketer was informed. To Ross, SPAM may be freedom of expression as my child pornography, but 2 things, 1. What about my rights to privacy, and my rights to my mailbox that I pay for. Why should it be used as an advertising medium if i font want it to be used for one ?? 2. By your argument, mailbombing of all flavours is free expression and should be allowed. Seeing as this follows logically RU going to get upset if i mail bomb you ?? All this started when i asked if SPAM might be coming through this list, i didn't think it would have tyhis effect, but discussion is healthy. Anyway shall we let this thread die at this point ?? Jason =8-]

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by TruthMailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Anon-To:

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Re: spook pressure on crypto exports
by Adam Back 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Ian Grigg <iang(a)systemics.com> writes: > Bill said: > > ... and have been trying to work on the Irish...) > > and Adam said: > > Ireland is new to me. What's their problem? > > Ditto! I'd like to know because ... > > > Who's exporting things to attract spook export attention over there? > > Systemics is an Irish company, and so is Baltimore, and we both > are 'exporters' depending on one's viewpoint. So's SSE (subsidiary of Siemens-Nixdorf). But that's mostly/all defense stuff, so they're presumably in thick with the military intelligence, and export permission would be a snip for them. > I don't know about Baltimore, but there is not a lot of pressure > they can put on Systemics, as the majority of the Cryptix effort is > now handed over to non-Systemics people. That's the beauty of > freeware. Ireland allows intangible export, no permission required, same as UK. They do say they would like a list of customers after the fact, but that's just would like, not you are required to give or else. (Clearly it would be a bit difficult to list the customers off your open access web page). For tangible exports you need permission, much as in the UK. I get the impression that the `open for business' attitude (love that 10% corporate tax break, is systemics getting this?) would mean you'd get an easier time than in the UK. They promise fast efficient turn around on export applications. (Unlike NZ MFAT, reread Peter Gutmann's story of down under intrigue on http://jya.com/nsazeal.htm amazing, nearly bankrupted the company!) > In contrast, I have been told that Ireland represents a prime place > for this sort of stuff, as there are no restrictions whatever. I think it's better than say UK. But clearly not `no restrictions' at least for tangible exports re above comments. I don't know how this works out in practice, what they give tangible export permission to, etc. Adam -- Have *you* exported RSA today? --> http://www.dcs.ex.ac.uk/~aba/rsa/ print pack"C*",split/\D+/,`echo "16iII*o\U@{$/=$z;[(pop,pop,unpack"H*",<> )]}\EsMsKsN0[lN*1lK[d2%Sa2/d0<X+d*lMLa^*lN%0]dsXx++lMlN/dsM0<J]dsJxp"|dc`

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Netscape, 128-bit export
by Ariel Glenn 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

from their web site, at http://www.netscape.com/flash2/newsref/pr/newsrelease428.html --- MOUNTAIN VIEW, Calif. (June 24, 1997) -- Netscape Communications Corporation (NASDAQ: NSCP) today announced the United States Department of Commerce has granted the company permission to export Netscape Communicator client software with 128-bit encryption capabilities. Available for immediate download from the Netscape Internet site, Netscape Communicator with strong encryption would allow users worldwide to enjoy far greater protection for their information when communicating with certified, strong encryption applications on Intranets and the Internet. Netscape also received approval to export Netscape SuiteSpot server software featuring 128-bit encryption capabilities to certified banks worldwide. VeriSign will be providing a special-use digital certificate which enables the encryption. This will allow Netscape Communicator users to access their banking information from almost anywhere in the world and communicate using strong encryption with those banks which have implemented Netscape SuiteSpot servers and completed the certification process. --- some pr crap deleted --- International users who have Netscape Communicator do not need to download a new version of Netscape Communicator to take advantage of the strong encryption capabilities being announced today. Negotiation of the strong encryption between international versions of Netscape Communicator and Netscape SuiteSpot servers approved for export to banks occurs through a unique mechanism based on a special-use digital certificate. etc... ----- So... is this new approval for export of 128-bit encryption only for encryption between the users and these banks, or is it general? If it's general, is GAK built in or not? And if not, how did they get approval? Ariel Glenn / AcIS R&D / Columbia University ariel(a)columbia.edu #include <stddisclaimer.h>

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Re: Hettinga's e$yllogism
by winsock＠rigel.cyberpass.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>1. Government has copy of keys >2. Government misuses keys. > >Simple enough for you? Too simple. Escrow for ecash isn't to allow forging cash, or stealing it. It allows tracing it. If you tell financial experts that making ecash traceable under court order is goint to make electronic commerce impossible, they'll laugh. They already use systems which are even less private than that. Anon

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Re: The Grand Compromise is Coming (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 20:56:33 -0500 (CDT) > From: Mac Norton <mnorton(a)cavern.uark.edu> > Subject: Re: The Grand Compromise is Coming > OK, Tim, I'll try: > The use of communication in furtherance of a crime shall add five years . > . .etc. > > The use of any device to enhance the speed of communication in furtherance > of a crime shall . . . etc. > > The use of any device to disguise a voice in furtherance of . . . etc. > > The use of any cryptographic means of communication in furtherance . . . > > Now, if two and three above are constitutional, why aren't one and four? The use of any printing press in the .... The use of speech in the ... Per the 1st, 9th & 10th; "The use of <blah> in the ...." is un-Constitutional. Now, I can see committing a crime using some facility or special skill might exacerbate the verdict, is that the intent? We could just do away with the preamble and go with exacerbating the verdict if a special skill or facility is required. If nothing else it eliminates any pretense of spontinaity, in effect pre-meditation or aggravation. From that perspective I don't see a Constitutional issue except regarding the punishment phase. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http:// www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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GAH--Government Access to Humor
by nobody＠huge.cajones.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>From the News of the Weird: * Unclear on the Concept: In January, Bamrer Pong-insee, a spokesman for the Professional Comedians Association of Thailand, said its members will soon be prohibited by rule from being impolite on stage. Especially barred are obscene language, physical humor in which pain is implied, and being disrespectful to a colleague's parents. In reading the above, I realized that in order for the policy to work properly there will have to be penalties for audience members who laugh at inappropriate (illegal?) humor. A suitable agency will have to be formed to enforce these new regulations. Soon the Laughing Police will be no laughing matter. Politicians will be falling all over each other to show the voters that they are "hard on crime" and will eventually call for the death penalty for violators. (Sending them to the Laughing-Gas chamber.) SeriousMonger {I tried to make it in comedy, but everyone laughed at me.}

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tacdfipsfkmi: What the gov't wants
by fudman 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

What the government wants in a key recovery system. And, ummm: doesn't Benaloh work for Microsoft? >From ... Minutes of the February 19-20, 1997 Meeting of the Technical Advisory Committee to Develop a Federal Information Processing Standard for the Federal Key Management Infrastructure 2. Security Models working group chaired by Dr. Brickell. Dr. Benaloh was asked to give their report in Dr. Brickells absence. Dr. Benaloh said that there was a good deal of overlap between the requirements and framework groups and they are trying to separate the two. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! He stated that from what the agencies presented, they are looking for a flexible mandatory standard, covering both stored and transmitted data, for commercially available off-the-shelf products. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! A major issue noted was the matter of flexibility. The standard must be broad enough to allow products to be developed by anyone. The scope of this working group was stated by Mr. Chokhani as identifying things such as key recovery agents, TTPs, two entity systems, integrity, authorization of keys, confidentiality of information, and accountability, especially of key recovery agents.

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