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E-Data Systems ~ patent #4,528,643
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I think this has made the rounds here, already. If it hasn't, any comments? Cheers, Bob Hettinga --- begin forwarded text Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 15:53:52 GMT X-Sender: jnferree(a)postoffice.worldnet.att.net Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Robert Hettinga <rah(a)shipwright.com> From: "J. Neil Ferree" <jnferree(a)worldnet.att.net> Subject: E-Data Systems ~ patent #4,528,643 Has anyone else received the *Amnesty* documentation from E-data Systems of Secaucus, NJ regarding their patent on: ... system for reproducing information in material objects at a point of sale location ... "The patent generally describes the system and methodology whereby products composed of digital data are purchased and embedded electronically at a point of sale location from a host computer. The products are typically delivered in usable form only after payment is made. The purchaser requests delivery after the money requirements are satisfied and authorized for the delivery is granted. In today's vernacular, the patent covers on-demand electronic distribution". [taken from the accompanying brochure] Their licensing agreement (with fee schedules) addresses; 1) Content providers; Owners and sellers of products which are sold and delivered electronically by the provider or through a distribution network owned by another within the scope of at least one of the E-data Systems patent claims. 2) Resellers; Distributors who provide a distribution network for content providers to sell products within the scope of at least one of the E-data Systems patent claims. 3) Service providers for Electronic Distribution Applications; Providers of various services, (ie) encryption, locking, unlocking metering, etc. who provide applications for content providers and/or resellers within the scope of at least on of the E-data Systems patent claims. Contact information for E-data Systems regarding how to obtain a license .... Tele 800-406-1668 Web www.3wnet.com/corp/edata e-mail gift(a)planet.net --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "If they could 'just pass a few more laws', we would all be criminals." --Vinnie Moscaritolo The e$ Home Page: http://www.vmeng.com/rah/

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middle-man may be moving...
by nobody＠replay.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

It looks like I'm going to have to move the middle-man remailer. The nym server at alpha.c2.org has been down for several days. This directly affects the middle-man remailer. Since nymrod(a)nym.jpunix.com has made it to Raph's list, I'm going to contact the admin at jpunix.com and see if it's ok for me to point the middle-man remailer nym at his server. Maybe it will be a little more reliable and allow the middle-man remailer to work properly. Stay tuned for further details as they occur! middle-man-admin(a)alpha.c2.org (don't bother to reply, it doesn't work)

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Wasting time and bandwidth on Bell
by P.J. Ponder 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Fri, 7 Jun 1996 08:29:56 -0400 (EDT), Declan McCullagh wrote: >Excerpts from internet.cypherpunks: 6-Jun-96 Re: FOR WHOM THE BELL TOLLS >by jim bell(a)pacifier.com >> Not quite yet, anyway. I'm very disappointed to have waited over a >>year for >> some slick lawyer to show me how I'd be violating some law or another >>to do so ... >A few observations: >1. Not many readers of cypherpunks are lawyers I've noticed quite a few, actually. I don't know how many are regular readers but there seems to be enough to maintain a steady undercurrent of legal thinking on the issues associated with digital commerce, some anonymity and First Amendment issues, a sprinkling of criminal law topics, and of course, banking, intellectual property, SEC, antitrust, general contract, and related commercial law. >2. Of the laywers who do read cypherpunks, many may not choose to spend >their time researching what laws AP may violate. Or they're not "slick" >lawyers; take your pick. Or they automatically delete any posts that come from or relate to the puerile bullshit Bell is infamous for, and choose not to get dragged into this type of time- and bandwidth- wasting garbage. Of which this post is just another, of course, but i get so damn sick and tired of the constant imposition of 'AP' and related nonsense on this list. Of late, the trolls seems to be particularly effective among people who should know better, and an aura of credence or relevance has developed around some of this crap. Can't we just ignore it, and move on? Maybe if we ignore him he'll go away. >3. Congress would have no problems passing a law outlawing AP, if one >does not exist already. > >-Declan I would be satisfied if they just outlawed e-mail about it.

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Re: Wasting time and bandwidth on Bell
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 02:08 PM 6/7/96 +0100, P.J. Ponder wrote: >Or they automatically delete any posts that come from or relate to the >puerile bullshit Bell is infamous for, and choose not to get dragged into >this type of time- and bandwidth- wasting garbage. Of which this post is >just another, of course, but i get so damn sick and tired of the constant >imposition of 'AP' and related nonsense on this list. It is to be expected that among the citizens of this world, there would be those who have so much moral or economic stock in the current order that they would strongly resist any serious change. (maybe they're already on top, or they hope to be in a few years, etc.) Until a few years ago, almost everybody probably figured that the main effect of computer networking (and the Internet) on politics would be to allow people to send letters to their Congressmen faster while destroying fewer trees, or letting people send in their votes by email rather than travelling to a voting booth. Simple changes. Non-threatening. Don't rock the boat. Don't upset the apple cart. Don't make a wave. It will be a great shock to most of you to hear that the real changes will not only be figuratively "revolutionary" but also LITERALLY revolutionary. >>3. Congress would have no problems passing a law outlawing AP, if one >>does not exist already. >I would be satisfied if they just outlawed e-mail about it. I guess this guy never heard about the 1st Amendment. Or maybe he did, but he concluded that it must have been a mistake, because it's not the kind of thing that the people in charge today would vote for if they had a choice in the matter.. Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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Re: INteresting tidbit
by Chris Adams 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

** Reply to note from stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com 06/07/96 11:15am pdt > >> 4. The ability to crack DES-1 in near real-time mode is present. > >> (See above). > >First, this has been loosely confirmed for ages. Someone was mentioning >> that FBI offices supposedly have software that (on a 486) can crack a DES-1 key >> in under an hour. Multiply * modern high capacity computers = problem. >> However, this does not nessesarily follow from > > Sigh. This is of course hopelessly bogus. You can't even crack RC4/40 in > under an hour on a 486 machine, thoguh you can do it very fast on custom > hardware. I figured it had been sensationalized. I received an email from someone who had actually played with such a beast (or claimed to have) and I believe he mentioned it had an addin card. > > >This Message Was Sent With An UNREGISTERED Version Of PMMail. > >Please Encourage Its Author To Register Their Copy Of PMMail. > >For More Information About PMMail And SouthSide Software's Other > >Products, Contact http://www.southsoft.com. > > I won't encourage you to register it, but at least please find a way to > quiet the sucker down. Mailers that do one line of advertising on unregistered > shareware are semi-tolerable. Mailers that do 4 lines are highly rude. > Fortunately, a good binary editor makes it easy to go in and turn the message > to something quieter, like -'s or :-)'s... I just did that. Took awhile to find a decent OS/2 email program... I'm not sure the new one is better, but it sure is less intrusive. That and a little bug that resulted in some messages getting dumped here (still wondering how it managed that) cost them a sale.

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Re: How to explain crypto?
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 01:50 PM 6/4/96 -0500, Declan wrote: >For example, someone sent me this explanation: > "The 1024 bit key is likely an RSA key, and is not comperable to a 40 bit > symetric key. From memory, 1024 bit RSA is about as hard to crack as 90 > bit symetric." >Is this a reasonable comparison? It's probably close enough for anti-government work; the relative strength depends a lot on whether you're using general-purpose computers or custom crackerboxes, and on the state of the art in factoring technologies. I'd be tempted to be verbose and say that public-key systems like RSA use prime numbers for keys, so they need to be a lot longer than secret-key algorithms like DES or RC4 which can use any number as a key but need to keep it secret. You can double the cracking effort by adding one bit to a secret key or about 10 to a public key. 500-bit public keys and 56-bit secret keys are about the limit of cracking technology for organizations with a couple of million dollars spare for supercomputers, which is your desktop in 5-10 years. The NSA's Clipper Chip used 80-bit keys, which is about 20 years' protection against people who can't use the built-in wiretap or bribe a cop to get a warrant. One problem with these secret hardware designs is that you usually can't tell if there's a back-door unless they tell you - or goof up like they did with the Clipper's short checksum. # Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart +1-415-442-2215 stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com # http://www.idiom.com/~wcs # Dispel Authority!

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Re: Is the alpha.c2.org 'Nymserver Down?
by Lynne L. Harrison 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 09:39 PM 6/7/96 -0700, anonymous wrote: >My 'nym seems to be broken again, and I've heard other reports that >the alpha.c2.org 'nymserver is down. Yet, Raph's ping list seem to >indicate it's healthy: > >remailer email address history latency uptime >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >alpha alias(a)alpha.c2.org +-++**++-++* 49:22 99.66% > >What's the story? FWIW, I just pinged Host: alpha.c2.org - 64 bytes received, icmp _seq 1, time=384 ms --- Round-trip (ms) min/avg/max = 384/384/384 --- I, however, have also heard that the remailer alias(a)alpha.c2.org has down for a few days. Regards - Lynne ************************************************************* Lynne L. Harrison, Esq. | "The key to life: Poughkeepsie, New York | - Get up; lharrison(a)mhv.net | - Survive; http://www.dueprocess.com | - Go to bed." ************************************************************* DISCLAIMER: The above discussion is **NOT** to be construed as legal advice. Proper protection of your legal rights may require consultation with an attorney in a traditional setting.

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Re: Neologism: "crackerbox"
by Alan Olsen 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 06:43 AM 6/8/96 -0400, Robert Hettinga wrote: >I think we have another winner, folks! > >At 3:47 AM -0400 6/8/96, Bill Stewart wrote: >> It's probably close enough for anti-government work; the relative strength >> depends a lot on whether you're using general-purpose computers or >> custom crackerboxes, and on the state of the art in factoring technologies. > ^^^^^^^^^^^^ > >I *like* it! I am sorry, but the term "crackerbox" has been deemed derogatory to Southern Americans by the Society for the Protection of American Minorities (SPAM). You will have to apply for another neologism from the Bureau of Neologisms. This time I suggest that you remember to fill out the proper paperwork so that these problems will not occur in the future. (To speed your application, please include doubling the filing fee, the first half as a check made out to the Bureau and the other half in cash.) --- |Coors - For people who don't want to think about what they are drinking.| |"The moral PGP Diffie taught Zimmermann unites all| Disclaimer: | | mankind free in one-key-steganography-privacy!" | Ignore the man | |`finger -l alano(a)teleport.com` for PGP 2.6.2 key | behind the keyboard.| | http://www.teleport.com/~alano/ | alano(a)teleport.com |

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Re: RFD: Time to kick some anti-scientologist ass?
by jamesd＠echeque.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

"Declan B. McCullagh" <declan+(a)CMU.EDU> writes: >> The attached summary is substantially incorrect. At 12:29 PM 6/8/96 EDT, Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM wrote: >You mean, the anti-scientologists aren't massively forging cancels >for scientologits' posts on alt.religion.scientology using my cancelbot? No: He means that the anti-scientologists are massively forging cancels of robotically generated spam produced by the scientologists in an effort to close down the alt.religion.scientology newsgroup. --------------------------------------------------------------------- | We have the right to defend ourselves | http://www.jim.com/jamesd/ and our property, because of the kind | of animals that we are. True law | James A. Donald derives from this right, not from the | arbitrary power of the state. | jamesd(a)echeque.com

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lets hack German Telekom
by Christian.K＠t-online.de 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hello guys, i am from Germany and i want to ask you, if you know something about the password-encryption of the T-Online Decoder from German Telekom! I tried to crack it, but it is not easy! The password is hidden in a file called DBSERVER.INI. If someone know how to crack it or has any programms please let me know! -------------------------------------------------------------------- written by Atomic (christian.k(a)t-online.de) ;-) But remember! A Homepage will soon be variable, too. :-o --------------------------------------------------------------------

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