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Re: Child porn as thoughtcrime
by mpd＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Chuck Thompson <chuck(a)nova1.net> writes: > The answer to the all the questions in the first set is > yes, in this country anyway, if they are interpreted by the > legal system as intending to incite illicit sexual acts, > fantasies or obsessions about children. The fantasies or > obsessions are assumed to lead to the illegal acts. The problem here is that they are "assumed" to do this as a matter of inerrant scripture, in spite of quite a bit of evidence indicating that this is not the case. It doesn't exactly send those under 18 a positive message about their bodies when it is suggested that capturing the slightest overt representation of their sexuality is a crime worthy of flaying and burning at the stake. I agree that persons should probably be protected from working as models or service providers in the commercial sex industry until they reach the age of majority. But the things that are being proposed these days look much more like an ideological purge of material relating to youthful sexuality than a serious attempt to protect children. The reasons given as justification are almost always overly vague. > Well, I'd say that anyone who benefits materially from the > distribution of child porn is exploiting either the > children, the pervert or both. The definition of "child porn" today is so excessively broad that it tramples on the notion of protected free speech and need not involve a "pervert." Since the alleged sexual exploitation of children is the one political issue no CongressRodent can afford to be seen as soft on, it is hardly surprising that this single issue will likely be the wedge used to successfully attack protected free speech. > Hold on here.. you are making an invalid comparison. To > my knowledge, there is no law against speaking in favor of > child porn, any more than there is against speaking in favor > of drug usage. It against the law to *use* either of them. But of course we aren't really talking about "speaking in favor of child porn." That's just the buzzword phrase used by the opposing side to characterize any argument against their proposals. We are talking about the right of citizens to privately converse with each other on any topic of their choosing, including through the use of visual material, without government interference. This is independent of the issue of child porn, and who is exploited when money is made through its distribution. > The argument is not dependent upon whether or not actual > children are used, any more than whether or not an actual > gun is used in a robbery - the net effect is the same. > Children are harmed by the promotion of child porn because > it leads to the abuse/exploitation of kids. This is a very vague and spurious connection, much like the suggestion that sympathetic views towards Communism in the '50s would lead to the overthrow of our government. Purging all depictions of adolescent sexuality from our society under threat of imprisonment is hardly a prudent public safety measure. > Let those who believe that they have a constitutional right > to "keep and bear child pornography" violate the various > laws and see if they can prove that their constitutional > rights are violated by the law which proscribes such things. Our constitution would be far better if it had a strong privacy provision, rather than the current First Ammendment. There will always be reasonable exceptions to the notion of absolute freedom of speech, and in every era, people will believe that their own pet issues, (Communism, Child Sex, Abortion Information), should be amongst the special exceptions made. In a country like Sweden, for instance, a constitutional ammendment would be required to ban private possession of any printed material in a citizen's own home. Here, all it takes is some grumbling by the child sex hysterics, and you can go to prison for sitting at your kitchen table with sissors and a jar of paste, and making a collage from selected pieces of the JC Penney Catalog and the latest issue of Playboy. Many so-called child porn laws are easily the silliest examples of the "Tyranny of the Majority" and "thoughtcrime" ever to rear their heads in modern times. -- Mike Duvos $ PGP 2.6 Public Key available $ mpd(a)netcom.com $ via Finger. $

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Important News from The Wall Street Journal Interactive Edition
by The Wall Street Journal Interactive Edition 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Dear Wall Street Journal reader: Your trial subscription to The Wall Street Journal Interactive Edition ends in less than two weeks, on Sept. 21, 1996. We hope you've had the chance to explore the Interactive Edition fully during this extensive trial period. If not, visit us today at http://wsj.com. Be sure to check out key features such as Personal Journal, which enables you to create a personalized view of current Journal news, and our extensive Company Briefing Books. A brief tour of our most powerful features is at http://wsj.com/tour.htm. If you wish to continue with your subscription after the trial ends, you don't need to re-register. Just fill out a brief online form and provide us with payment information; we won't charge your credit card until after our trial period is over. An annual subscription costs just $49 a year, or $29 a year if you subscribe to any print edition of The Wall Street Journal. To convert to an annual subscription, just access http://wsj.com and click on the "Convert Now" graphic. If you do not wish to convert to an annual subscription, you do not need to do anything -- you will not be billed and your subscription will be canceled automatically at the end of the trial. You may also be interested in a special offer available to users of Microsoft's Internet Explorer. Microsoft has made arrangements with several premier publishers on the Web, including the Interactive Edition, to offer subscriptions to Internet Explorer users at no charge through the end of this year. If you use the latest release of Internet Explorer as your Web browser, you will be able to keep reading the Interactive Edition through Dec. 31, 1996 and there is no need for you to provide us with payment information at this time. For more information on this offer, you can visit http://wsj.com/ie.html or ask us questions at the e-mail address below. We hope you'll stay with us as a charter annual subscriber. The coming months will see continued progress and expansion on all fronts in the Interactive Edition -- with more Briefing Books, an improved and enhanced Personal Journal, more exclusive news coverage, a greatly expanded search archive and a variety of new tools that we hope will make keeping track of the news easier and more enjoyable. If you have questions or comments, e-mail us at the address below or call Customer Service at 1-800-369-2834 or 1-609-514-0870. Neil Budde Editor The Wall Street Journal Interactive Edition info(a)interactive.wsj.com -------------------------------------------------------- The WSJ-ANNOUNCE3 list is a service of The Wall Street Journal Interactive Edition (http://wsj.com) If you no longer wish to receive messages from the WSJ-ANNOUNCE3 list, simply reply to this message and in the body of your message type: UNSUBSCRIBE WSJ-ANNOUNCE3

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The definition of child pornography -- no help here
by declan＠well.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

[Note this was before Knox. --Declan] NEW YORK v. FERBER No. 81-55 SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES 458 U.S. 747; 102 S. Ct. 3348; 1982 U.S. LEXIS 12; 73 L. Ed. 2d 1113; 50 U.S.L.W. 5077; 8 Media L. Rep. 1809 April 27, 1982, Argued July 2, 1982, Decided PRIOR HISTORY: [***1] CERTIORARI TO THE COURT OF APPEALS OF NEW YORK. DISPOSITION: 52 N. Y. 2d 674, 422 N. E. 2d 523, reversed and remanded. SYLLABUS: A New York statute prohibits persons from knowingly promoting a sexual performance by a child under the age of 16 by distributing material which depicts such a performance. The statute defines "sexual performance" as any performance that includes sexual conduct by such a child, and "sexual conduct" is in turn defined as actual or simulated sexual intercourse, deviate sexual intercourse, sexual bestiality, masturbation, sado-masochistic abuse, or lewd exhibition of the genitals. Respondent bookstore proprietor was convicted under the statute for selling films depicting young boys masturbating, and the Appellate Division of the New York Supreme Court affirmed. The New York Court of Appeals reversed, holding that the statute violated the First Amendment as being both underinclusive and overbroad. The court reasoned that in light of the explicit inclusion of an obscenity standard in a companion statute banning the knowing dissemination of similarly defined material, the statute in question could not be construed to include an obscenity standard, [***2] and therefore would prohibit the promotion of materials traditionally entitled to protection under the First Amendment. Held: As applied to respondent and others who distribute similar material, the statute in question does not violate the First Amendment as applied to the States through the Fourteenth Amendment. Pp. 753-774. (a) The States are entitled to greater leeway in the regulation of pornographic depictions of children for the following reasons: (1) the legislative judgment that the use of children as subjects of pornographic materials is harmful to the physiological, emotional, and mental health of the child, easily passes muster under the First Amendment; (2) the standard of Miller v. California, 413 U.S. 15, for determining what is legally obscene is not a satisfactory solution to the child pornography problem; (3) the advertising and selling of child pornography provide an economic motive for and are thus an integral part of the production of such materials, an activity illegal throughout the Nation; (4) the value of permitting live performances and photographic reproductions of children engaged in lewd exhibitions is exceedingly modest, if [***3] not de minimis; and (5) recognizing and classifying child pornography as a category of material outside the First Amendment's protection is not incompatible with this Court's decisions dealing with what speech is unprotected. [...] ****** Copyright (c) 1994 Albany Law Journal of Science & Technology Albany Law Journal of Science & Technology 1994 4 Alb. L.J. Sci. & Tech. 311 LENGTH: 10368 words COMMENTS: WHY THE POSSESSION OF COMPUTER-GENERATED CHILD PORNOGRAPHY CAN BE CONSTITUTIONALLY PROHIBITED David B. Johnson TEXT: [*312] I. INTRODUCTION The computer revolution is sweeping across the world. Like the Industrial Revolution of the nineteenth and early twentieth century, the computer has brought and will continue to bring profound changes to our society. In many instances, computer technology has advanced faster than the laws governing it. n1 Some critics fear that computer technology is growing so fast that "society will be . . . unprepared [to deal with] the moral and legal havoc it will create and the questions it will pose for human identity and privacy." n2 The computer revolution already has brought society its fair share of moral and legal havoc. n3 However, what is to come will tax society's moral and legal systems on an even greater scale. [...]

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Mac Crypto Conf - Debrief
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 17:57:05 -0700 To: mac-crypto(a)thumper.vmeng.com From: Vinnie Moscaritolo <vinnie(a)webstuff.apple.com> Subject: Mac Crypto Conf - Debrief Yow! - We did it.... On Sept 5th & 6th, here on the Cupertino R&D Campus, Robert Hettinga from Shipwright and I ran "The First-Ever-Last-Minute-Under-the-Radar- Ask-Forgiveness-but-Not-Permission Macintosh Cryptography and Internet Commerce Software Development Workshop" This workshop was driven by the copious feedback that I have recieved from developers from both DTS and personal emails, WWDC and MacHack and the Mac-Crypto mailing list. Since the ability to perform Internet Commerce depends heavly on both networking and cryptographic technologies. I started the Mac-Crypto mailing list last March to discuss the implementation of cryptography on the MacOS. We had three major goals for this event: 1) We wanted to provide a vehicle to educate Apple developers and employees who are responsible for Apple's future on the internet about what is going on in the Internet commerce world. We also felt the need to get Internet commerce on Apple's radar. It was clearly on Microsoft's agenda. Developer feedback made it loud and clear that we are losing and have lost developers to other platforms because of it. We are going to fix that. 2) To assist in bridging any disconnect between what the developers have been asking us for and what we are giving them in the internet commerce world. 3) To provide a forum where developers can work together to create internet commerce products for the Macintosh platform. In a manner similar to Quinn's Internet Config, we belived that a lot of this infrastructure can be built by the developers themselves. Highlights: I posted an invite webpage at http://webstuff.apple.com/~opentpt/crypto.html and advertised on several mailing lists, within 10 days I had 84 registrations, about 70 of which showed. Some attendees actually traveled from as far as Scotland. The sessions (in no particular order): * Phil Zimmerman / PGP Inc - Keynote. * Bill Frantz / Periwinkle - Introduction to Cryptography * Maxine Curry / Apple - Crypto Software and the Commerce Dept. * Jon Callas / Apple - Random Numbers on the Mac * Pablo Calamera / Apple - Feedback: Mac Crypto API?: * Sari Harrison / Apple - Feedback: Internet API? * Vinnie Moscaritolo / Apple - Building Fast Network Server Software on MacOS * Quinn / Apple - Internet Config as a Development Model * Vinnie Moscaritolo / Apple - Proposal for bringing back the Mac Keychain * Jay Van Vark / Pacific Coast - How to use electronic commerce * Michel Ranger / Entrust - Certificate and Trust Management * Marc Briceno/Digicash - Digital Cash and Digital Bearer Certificates * Robert Hettinga / Shipwright - A look over the edge * Dave Del Torto - Cypherpunks, MCIP and Mac-Crypto: Marshall Clow a history of crypto activism and the Mac Greg Broiles The sessions were a real sucess. There was a lot of enthusiasm from the developers. The speakers were great. I received comments that the developers found the workshop was very accessible; there was a lot of interaction between the audience and speakers. We allocated plenty of time for Q&A and discussions. They wished that WWDC was more like this. Some of the highlights were: - Phil Zimmerman of PGP fame talked about his plans to build a commercial version of PGP,PGPPhone and CryptDisk on the Mac. And a Mac PGP library that developers can use in their products. - Jon Callas's session generated much excitement. Developers appreciated that his work will be available in source code. - Quinn's session described the hurdles he encountered in shipping Internet Config, one of the most successful pieces of mac software. I would consider this talk a must-watch for any evangelist or product mgr, there is a lot Apple can learn from him. - Sari and Pablo seemed to restored some faith to developers that Apple does listen to their concerns. I got a lot of positive feedback about their willingness to listen to developers. - I gave a talk about what is involved in designing fast network servers with OpenTransport. I wanted to remove any misconception that MacOS is not a good server platform. I outlined the workarounds to some of the problems that existing products have encounted. Thanks to the feedback I received I plan to give this talk again to Apple engineers. - Marc from DigiCash was very knowledgeable about uses for digital cash. One that I was surprised by was to drastically lower bookkeeping costs from internal corporate budget management. Here is an place where Apple could lead. - Robert Hettinga gave a great lecture on the future of commerce and money on the net. It's impossible to talk to him for 10 minutes and not learn something. He is a "natural born evangelist" and would be a great asset to Apple. - Sidhu voluteered to lead an effort to resurect a developers accessable keychain that can be used as a single log-in point to secure services. - There were even a few impromptu sessions from the developers. I wished that more Apple folks could have been there to absorb some of the developer feedback. Luckily Bob and I also worked the video room in between giving our sessions and introductions and were able to tape most of the sessions. I am working on making them available. I will also try to make the slides available on a more permanent webpage in a few days. (I'll post on Mac Crypto) Kudos I want very much to thank the individuals that made this workshop possible. * Robert Hettinga from Shipwright - For his personal time and cost to fly out from Boston, mustering up the developers on the net, assembling the talks, giving the talks, educating us all, doing video booth duty, and everything else. Imagine what we could do with an army of folks like you. (scares me) * Jose Carreon - For understanding the importance and internet commerce to Apple's future and arranging what was needed to make this event happen. * Beth Reed / Yolanda Saldana / Robin Wagner / Richard Ford - For all the help organizing coordinating and firefighting behind the scenes (and holding the bail money). We wouldn't have been able to do it without you. * Cynthia Zwerling - for the fantastic artwork, web design, T-Shirts, and for dealing with all our last minute notices. * And a personal thanks to all the speakers, for taking the time off their busy schedules to give great presentations. * And most of all, a big thank you to the developers for believing in Apple. Ciao. Vinnie Moscaritolo Apple Developer Tech Support http://www.vmeng.com/vinnie/ Fingerprint: 4FA3298150E404F2782501876EA2146A --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "'Bart Bucks' are not legal tender." -- Punishment, 100 times on a chalkboard, for Bart Simpson The e$ Home Page: http://www.vmeng.com/rah/

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17 Dec '03

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RRE: Digital Objects Identifiers
by E. Allen Smith 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: IN%"rre(a)weber.ucsd.edu" 10-SEP-1996 23:06:58.45 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= This message was forwarded through the Red Rock Eater News Service (RRE). Send any replies to the original author, listed in the From: field below. You are welcome to send the message along to others but please do not use the "redirect" command. For information on RRE, including instructions for (un)subscribing, send an empty message to rre-help(a)weber.ucsd.edu =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 15:59:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Paul Evan Peters <paul(a)cni.org> To: Multiple recipients of list <cni-announce(a)cni.org> Subject: Digital Objects Identifiers Dear CNI-Announce subscribers: I thought that you would like to have the attached brought to your attention, especial so since: o it deals with a critical technical issue in the evolution of the networked information environment, and o involves the Association of American Publishers (AAP) and the Corporation for National Research Initiatives (CNRI), two organizations with which CNI collaborates from time to time, as well as o Reed Elsevier, Inc., the parent corporation of Elsevier Science B.V., a member of the CNI Task Force. Best, Paul Paul Evan Peters paul(a)cni.org Executive Director fax 202-872-0884 Coalition for Networked Information 202-296-5098 21 Dupont Circle ftp://ftp.cni.org/ Washington, DC 20036 gopher://gopher.cni.org:70/ USA http://www.cni.org/CNI.homepage.html CONTACT: Judith Platt: 202-232-3335, ext. 229 jplatt(a)publishers.org Washington, D.C. September 9, 1996 TEAM SELECTED TO DEVELOP DIGITAL OBJECT IDENTIFIER SYSTEM FOR PUBLISHING INDUSTRY The Association of American Publishers (AAP) today announced selection of the team that will develop a Digital Object Identifier (DOI) system for use by the publishing industry. The team, comprising R.R. Bowker, a division of Reed Elsevier, Inc., and the Corporation for National Research Initiatives (CNRI), was chosen following a competitive bidding process initiated last spring as part of AAP's all-out effort to promote development of systems for managing copyright in the digital environment. Copyright management is seen as the key to successful commercial use of the Internet by the publishing industry. The DOI project is the outgrowth of a year-long AAP initiative to identify the needs of the publishing industry to facilitate safe and successful commercial ventures on the Internet and in other networked environments. AAP's initial research revealed a fundamental need for a unique, unambiguous way to identify digital materials-- a type of "electronic license plate" for a "digital vehicle" traveling the information superhighway. The Digital Object Identifier system will serve that purpose. The Bowker/CNRI team will focus on three key areas during the first year: developing a numbering system for identifying digital objects created by publishers; creating an agency for assigning publisher numbers; and developing a network-based directory to link digital objects to their publisher. DOIs will be made accessible via a high-speed computer system developed by CNRI--a scalable, distributed system on the Internet, with open interfaces, allowing information about digital material to be retrieved almost instantaneously. R.R. Bowker will establish the agency for making publisher numbers and other related information available to any and all publishers. Since the DOI system uses open standards, publishers and other companies can build their own products and services based around DOIs. AAP President Nicholas Veliotes said that "In selecting the team to develop a DOI system, AAP is taking a major step forward in the search for viable, effective copyright management in the electronic environment. Our members see this as a top priority as the publishing industry positions itself for the new Century." Robert Badger (Springer Verlag NY), a member of AAP's Enabling Technologies Committee and head of its DOI task force, pointed out: "For people to buy and sell information on the Internet, the publishing community needs two things which this announcement sets in motion. First, we need a simple way to identify which piece of information is being purchased; that's what the number does. Second, we need an easy way for the reader to get current information about the digital object--and this system will accomplish that by directing the reader's question immediately to the right place in the publishing organization. It's more than just a Universal Product Code for information; it's a market-making mechanism." Robert Kahn, President of CNRI and a recognized pioneer in the development of the Internet, said "We are delighted that our technology was selected for this important application. It will provide a key component of the global information infrastructure and can serve as a model for information access across many sectors of the economy." R.R. Bowker's Publisher Peter Simon noted that "As the organization that runs the ISBN Agency in the United States, and the publisher of key tools for locating published materials (including the preeminent Books in Print database), we are very pleased to be contributing our experience and expertise to creating new standards for digital materials and facilitating commerce on the Internet for the publishing industry." The Association of American Publishers is the principal trade association of the U.S. book publishing industry. Its members publish hardcover and paperback books in every field, including general fiction and non-fiction, poetry, children's books, textbooks, Bibles, reference works, scientific, medical, technical, professional, and scholarly books and journals, and a range of educational materials for the elementary, secondary, postsecondary and professional markets. AAP members also produce computer software and electronic products and services, including online databases and CD-ROM. Among AAP's primary concerns is the protection of intellectual property rights at home and abroad, in all media. R.R. Bowker, a division of Reed Elsevier, Inc., is one of the foremost U.S. bibliographic publishers, providing reference information to libraries, booksellers, and publishers since 1872. Its Books in Print database is currently available in hard copy, CD-ROM, tape & site license, and online. In addition, Bowker is the independent agent in the U.S. for the International ISBN and SAN systems. The ISBN is an identification system for books and other media which allows for order processing by booksellers, libraries, universities, wholesalers and distributors. DOI project contact at Bowker is Maureen Adamson, Vice President, Business Development--(908) 665-2856; madamson(a)reedref.com. The Corporation for National Research Initiatives is an internationally recognized leader in information technology research and development, with particular strength in networking, large-scale information systems, and digital object infrastructure. A non-profit organization formed in 1986 to foster research and development for a national information infrastructure, CNRI has, since its inception, been actively engaged in the establishment of open, non-proprietary technological approaches for networked systems. DOI project contact at CNRI is Constance McLindon, Director, System Deployment--(703) 620-8990; mclindon(a)cnri.reston.va.us.

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Pressrelease SPG: About the digital Radikal
by tank 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Pressrelease Solidariteitsgroep Politieke Gevangenen (SPG)- (Solidaritygroup Political Prisoners) Amsterdam, September 9th , 1996. German Prosecution starts investigation into the digital Radikal. On monday the 2nd of september the BRD State Prosecution started an official investigation against 'unknown distributors' of the Radikal-magazine on the Internet. These 'unknown distributors' are suspected of violating the German law: Par. 129a Abs. 3 StGB : Recruiting for an illegal terrorist organisation, Par. 140 Nr. 2 StGB : Approval of criminal offences, Par. 130a Abs. 1 StGB : Calling for criminal acts. The digital version of the Radikal is accessible through computers in the Netherlands and the United States. Besides this legal investigation, the German BAW (prosecution office) has ordered German Internet Providers to block the access to the digital version of the Radikal. A number of providers and associations of providers has given in to this call. This means that all websites of XS4ALL-clients in the Netherlands and of DataRealm-clients in the USA. have been made inaccessible for German Internet users. In reaction to this German attempt to censor the Internet mirrorsites (identical copies) of the Radikal have been put on various computers throughout the world. Since December 1995 we, the Solidaritygroup Political Prisoners, have added the full edition of the in Germany illegal magazine Radikal to our homepage on the World Wide Web. On this moment major parts of number 153 and the full edition of number 154 are accessible through the World Wide Web. We decided to do this after a renewed attempt (one of many over the years) of the German authorities to silence the Radikal. The Radikal is a magazine made by and for the radical left movement in the BRD. The magazine was set up in the mid '70-ies as a means of communication between various left-wing organisations. After a series of homesearches, arrests and long-time prison sentences, it was clear for the makers that they couldn't continue the magazine on the same basis. It was decided then to make the future editions of the magazine outside the view of the German authorities. Because the German Prosecution couldn't localise the makers of Radikal, a short period of quietness followed in which no policeraids etc. took place. Than trouble started anew. This time it were not the makers of the magazine who were targeted, but the persons who sold the magazine, bookshops and infocafe's. Through the years there have been hundreds of policeraids, numerous arrests and many people have spent months and years in jail for 'supporting a terrorist organisation' (i.e. distribution of the Radikal). As a result of these experiences the distribution of the Radikal is no longer organised through bookshops etc., but through a underground network. Mid June 1995 the German Prosecution stroke again. All over Germany special units of the police stormed, often with drawn guns, a great number of houses and left-wing centres. Four people were arrested and charged with membership of a terrorist organisation (i.e. making and distributing the Radikal). Four others, who were not at home at the time of the police raid, went underground. An enormous amount of things were confiscated by the police. It was striking that the police especially looked for digital information. More than thousand floppydisc's and various computers were taken for further research. The people arrested were held in detention under remand for six months and were only released after payment of 20.000 DM bail p.p. and a whole set of conditions they had to comply with. Exactly one year after the raids on June 13 1996, three of the four persons in hiding (Uli, Jutta and Frank) turned themselves in. Supported by 250 sympathisers they reported themselves at a German court after a pressconference. (Matthes, the fourth person in hiding, stayed away, because he is also being charged with membership of the AIZ, the Anti Imperialist Cell's.) At the court the three persons were taken into detention under remand after which their lawyer filed a petition for immediate release on grounds of the fact that there was no reason that the suspects would again run away and that after one year there's no longer any risk that the suspects would destroy any evidence. The petition was only partially successful. On June 15 Uli and Jutta were released, again with a lot of conditions. They had to hand in their passports, had to report themselves three times a week at the police, were not allowed any contact with anybody against whom an investigation was going on with regard to the Radikal and they had to pay a bail of 20.000 DM each. Frank is until now held in isolation under aggravated circumstances. The Prosecution claims to have proof that he collaborated on the release of Radikal editions 153 & 154 during his period in hiding. Up till now his lawyers were not allowed look into his dossier. New actions against the Radical took place on June 17 this year when in a number of German cities again houses were searched by the police. This time persons suspected of having a subscription to the Radikal were targeted. By way of their payments they were accused of supporting a terrorist organisation. Besides this they were suspected of letting others read the Radikal (recruiting for a terrorist organisation). For us this was another reason to put the latest issue (154) of the Radikal again on the Internet. Despite the fact that we, the Solidaritygroup Political Prisoners (SPG) Amsterdam, declared before that we put the Radikal on Internet, the German Prosecution started an investigation against 'unknown persons'. This is a frequently used strategy. With an investigation on name, the Prosecution can only get permission to tap the phones etc. of a limited amount of people, while an investigation against 'persons unknown' gives them much more possibilities. With this in mind it wouldn't surprise us if one of these days in Germany the police will again kick in a lot of doors in relation with the investigation against us. The German Prosecution seems to be pretty confident at the moment and states that from the confiscated goods, they managed to compile a lot of information about the Radikal, her makers (m/f) and her structures. But we wonder if they are going to be equally confident about their actions against the digital Radikal. Censorship on the Internet creates best-sellers. With respect to the Internet this is a very important case. For the first time a European government tries to censor political news on the Internet. (Until now such action was only directed against porn on the Internet.) If the German Prosecution succeeds in their attempts to censor the Internet, the Radikal will be the first but definitely not the last. Fortunately there are many people active around the theme of censorship on the Internet and though they don't all support us ideologically, many declare themselves to sympathise with the struggle for the continuation of the Radikal on the Internet and accordingly place copies of the magazine on their Websites. On this moment the Radikal is already accessible through more than twenty addresses over the whole world. If the German Prosecution wants to sustain their attempts to block the digital Radikal they will have to block all these providers and will finally block Germany from the rest of the Internet. Read the Radikal now at: 1. http://burn.ucsd.edu/%7Eats/RADIKAL/ 2. http://www.jca.or.jp/~taratta/mirror/radikal/ 3. http://www.serve.com/~spg/ 4. http://huizen.dds.nl/~radikal 5. http://www.canucksoup.net/radikal/index.html 6. http://www.ecn.org/radikal 7. http://www.well.com/~declan/mirrors/ 8. http://www.connix.com/~harry/radikal/index.htm 9. http://www.ganesa.com/radikal/ 10. http://www.denhaag.org/~radikal 11. http://www.knooppunt.be/~daniel/radikal 12. http://emma.unm.edu/radikal 13. http://www.tacacs.com/radikal/" 14. http://www.dsvenlo.nl/vvd/radikal/ 15. http://www.why.net/home/static/radi 16. http://users.abcs.com/dockmstr/mirror/radikal/index.htm 17. http://www.xs4all.nl/~jeroenw/radikal/ 18. http://home.ipr.nl/~radikal/ 19. http://www.dreamy.demon.co.uk/occam/ 20. http://www.ibmpcug.co.uk/~irdial/live_free/ 21.http://zero.tolerance.org/radi/index.htm 22.http://www.meaning.com/library/radikal/ 23.http://www.xs4all.nl/~irmed/radikal/ 24.http://www.walli.uwasa.fi/~tviemero/radikal 25.http://www.sko.it/~sfede/radi/index.htm 26.http://www.bart.nl/~sz/index.html 27.http://bellp.med.yale.edu/index.htm 28.http://www.euronet.nl/users/funest/radi/index.htm And naturally as usual at: http://www.xs4all.nl/~tank/radikal/ >From here we want to wish Frank in prison and Matthes where ever he is lots of strength. The struggle continues !! Please write to Frank (he will probably be replaced to Koln soon). His temporary address is : Frank Grossinsky p/a Ermittlungsrichter Wolst am BGH Herrenstr.45a 76125 Karlsruhe Germany. (All post will be read and censored by the police!) 11-9-1996 Solidariteitsgroep Politieke Gevangenen, (SPG Amsterdam). tank(a)xs4all.nl http://www.xs4all.nl/~tank

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Re: talker
by paul＠fatmans.demon.co.uk 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

CC`d to cypherpunks mailing list: I recieved this this afternoon (11/9/96), this has gone far enough, would anyone here care to join me in mailbombing this guy? just reply this mail to him at doom13(a)juno.com about 100 times or so, if we get about 100 people to do this it should generate enough traffic to close his account down. my reply to his mail is at the bottom: > Listen up you son of a bitch! Don't fucker call me a peice of horse shit > you cocksucker or I'll mailbomb your ass so many times you won't even > think of replying. You don't know shit about my hacking mother fucker. > Fuck you and go suck on some media crypto pussy shit. Listen you spotty socially unskilled adolescent masturbator: Your petty and pathetic claims amuse me, I laugh at your worthless and dirty existance peon. What have you ever hacked, have you broken any encryption codes, have you found security weaknesses by new and ingenious methods, have you practised within the hacker ethic? I think not You are a *WANNABEE*, a punk who knows not the slightest thing about systems security, can`t code, and couldn`t hack his way out of a wet paper bag, your mailbombing threats are about as technical as you can get. in addition your flames show no linguistic creativity, just a bunch of crude words thrown together, get an education you trailer butt-fucker. Mailbomb me, go ahead punk, make my day, if you dare to even think about doing so I will kick your ass, I will hurt you in ways you cannot imagine, I have carried out vindictive personal vendettas before and will do so again if necessary. Go on, I dare you, I double dare you motherfucker. Yours with the greatest respect: Paul Bradley MbM Datacomms Technologies web authoring and data security Paul Bradley, Paul(a)fatmans.demon.co.uk Http://www.fatmans.demon.co.uk/crypt/ "Don`t forget to mount a scratch monkey" -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6 mQCNAjH9j+cAAAEEAMBvREiQR0ot9dFCO0TiSCSunAYLv2g1Bc6I3bz8FzKXNH53 6mieJf/W4rD+CxJpT0q9RQaaoRtkHJLwbjfK2il3D7mEahMAyqvF/xRJNqkXfhM3 sRJM0Jh43l+W0M5vwokbEbk25/bxWWGspTsLD3YHbzKnG6pOcL5OPIRbv66xAAUR tCdQYXVsIEJyYWRsZXkgPHBhdWxAZmF0bWFucy5kZW1vbi5jby51az4= =riHc -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----

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The saga of hipcrime's emailBot (fwd)
by Geoff White 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 13:25:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Geoff White <geoffw(a)precipice.V-site.net> To: cyperpunks(a)toad.com Cc: Geoff White <geoffw(a)precipice.V-site.net>, Stark Raving Math <robert(a)precipice.V-site.net> Subject: The saga of hipcrime's emailBot Hi Folks, Some of you may know me as I was once on cypherpunks about 2 years ago, other pressing matters (like starting an ISDN ISP :) caused me to unsub but I've still been with you in spirit :) Anyway, I run Virtual Sites (v-site.net) Having been squeezed out of InterNex by various methods that we won't go into here. Anyway V-site primarily hosts web-space although we also have a bunch of ISDN and Frame Relay customers as well, but our primary business is web-hosting. Robert of hipcrime.com is a "customer" of mine, actually I gave him a free account so that he could learn Java, CGI and other forms of web programming, I do give accounts to groups, organizations and people who show promise and Roberts fractal creations are outstanding. anyway it's not my nature to be policeman and to look over the shoulder of my customers, as long as they don't draw attention to themselves I leave them alone. I was surprised that Robert brought such attention to himself the other day. I fully understand where you are coming from with rgards to the remailers being a "touchy situation" at best but also bear in mind that Robert has pointed out an important "weakness", Even though the website is no longer dispensing the offending applet, Javacode last forever, so the applets that are free will continue to work until they deleted. Since they reference the senmail daemon on tarnover.v-site.net, the only recourse that I have is to shutdown the sendmail daemon but other customers rely on that daemon for their businesses. So what is to be done? I think this exposes a serious problem with Java applets and with the remailing system. I'm willing to do my part to help stem the tide but bear in mind that this kind of thing can and will happen again unless a better way to guard against this type of thing is implemented. Geoff White WebMaster Virtual Sites

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Nonsense, absolute nonsense... [Fwd: HipCrime and Spam]
by Admin 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>This is an absurd and inaccurate analogy. The mailBot simply pushes >*mailto:* tags that people have willingly placed on their public websites. >They invite the mail so a more accurate analogy would be that City Hall puts >up a public suggestion box and invites comments. The bot then puts one, and >only one, unsigned anonymous suggestion into the box. It then goes on to the >Art Gallery where they too have put up a public suggestion box, and the bot >places one, and only one, anonymous suggestion in that box also...and it >moves on to the next publicly accessable suggestion box that it finds, each >time putting in one, and only one, message. > >Can the College-aged mind these days not develop a rational, concise, >accurate and logical analogy that stays on point? > >Think about it... or take down the public suggestion boxes if one doesn't >like what one finds inside. If you invite feedback...it will come. > >admin > > >There is >> >>HipCrime <na673130(a)anon.penet.fi> wrote: >>> Be honest, all you really care about is something which >>> "threatens the existence" your little baby. >> >>I think you were referring to yourself, Robert. :) >> >> >>Since you don't seem to understand the concept of spam very well yet, >>try this little experiment: >> >>Go downtown to City Hall and post advertisements for your website on >>all the walls and doors. Be sure to put one on the Mayor's office and >>all the members of the City Council. If they complain, explain to them >>why they are weak-minded souls who can't remove unwanted messages. >> >>Go to the local art gallery and post your signs all over. Tell people >>that since your web site is an "art project", that you are posting EXACTLY >>on topic, to an "appropriate group". Ask, "So, what's your problem ?!?" >> >>Pass out survey forms. Ask people where they want to see advertisements. >>Go to these sites and spray-paint your http address. If people complain >>that you are "harassing" them, ask them why a whopping eighteen letters >>written on the wall is harassment. Tell them it's not *your* fault, >>that you're just doing what other people told you to. Explain how many >>trees you are saving by using spray-paint instead of paper. >> >>When the police handcuff you and take you away, complain that they are >>censoring you. Tell the judge that you want to sue the cops for violating >>your civil rights. While you're in jail, think about why what you did >>was wrong. <>________________Lowest_Priced_Long_Distance__________________<> ||Long Distance 9.9¢/min |Helping hardworking people || ||9.9¢ Anytime, Anywhere in US! |like yourself pay the || ||Free sign-up, 6 second billing |lowest possible price for || ||http://www.superhot.com/phone |high quality LD service. || <>-----------------------1_303_692_5190------------------------<>

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