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constitution.amendmentxi.html (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Amendment XI > > The judicial power of the United States shall not be construed to > extend to any suit in law or equity, commenced or prosecuted against > one of the United States by citizens of another state, or by citizens > or subjects of any foreign state. Of note is that this amendment *only* covers cases where a citizen sues a *single* state, not 49 of them. There is no Constitutional rule that covers the process between a individual and more than a single state. It simply ain't there. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make | | violent revolution inevitable. | | | | John F. Kennedy | | | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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http:--www.cnn.com-US-9712-28-briefs.pm-britain.getty.ap-
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

CNN logo Navigation COMMUNITY Message Boards Chat Feedback SITE SOURCES Contents Help! Search CNN Networks SPECIALS Quick News Almanac Video Vault News Quiz Infoseek/Big Yellow Pathfinder/Warner Bros Barnes and Noble Year In Review Main banner Click here for TIME daily rule JOHN PAUL GETTY II NOW A BRITISH CITIZEN December 28, 1997 Web posted at: 9:58 p.m. EST (0258 GMT) LONDON (AP) -- American billionaire John Paul Getty II is an American no longer. The London Sunday Telegraph says the philanthropist has become a British citizen and revoked his U.S. citizenship. Sources in the British government confirm the move. Getty is 65 and has lived in Britain for 25 years. During that time, he's become one of the country's major benefactors. In 1986, he even received an honorary knighthood from Queen Elizabeth II. The Forbes magazine list of the 400 richest Americans estimates Getty's fortune at $1 billion. _________________________________________________________________ Infoseek search ____________________ ____ ____ _________________________________________________________________ rule Message Boards Sound off on our message boards & chat [INLINE] Click here for TIME daily rule To the top © 1997 Cable News Network, Inc. All Rights Reserved. Terms under which this service is provided to you.

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Vulis again
by Information Security 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 07:18:08 -0500 > Message-ID: <031ce308b9b0af69c83a11320732d575(a)anon.efga.org> > From: Anonymous <anon(a)anon.efga.org> > > Timmy May's reheated, refurbished, and > regurgitated cud is completely > inappropriate for the mailing lists into > which it is cross-ruminated. > > ( )( )________ Timmy May > /00 \ _ > O_\\--mm---mm /_______) I see you are still sending ascii-art decorated sweet little nothings to the people you love... ---guy Medication refill time, Dimitry.

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Re: constitution.amendmentxi.html (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > From: "William H. Geiger III" <whgiii(a)invweb.net> > Date: Mon, 29 Dec 97 08:32:34 -0600 > Subject: Re: constitution.amendmentxi.html (fwd) > >Of note is that this amendment *only* covers cases where a citizen sues a > >*single* state, not 49 of them. > > >There is no Constitutional rule that covers the process between a > >individual and more than a single state. It simply ain't there. > > Well considering that the Constitution is a *limiting* document, if the > powers are not explicitly given to the Federal Government they don't have > them. > > Soooo, in the case of a citizen sues multiple states the Federal > Government still has no juristiction as they have never explicitly been > given that power. So what you are saying, though I doubt you realize it, is that a citizen *can't* sue 2 or more states as a group. They *must* sue singly and in the individual state courts. Of course, this isn't explicity described either, so where does this authority come from? This means there is no way to sue states as a group for their actions in regards to relations to the federal government. So the federal government can require the states to do all kinds of things and I as a citizen and effected by those actions can't sue the states but only the federal government. Interesting hole. I wonder if it will hold up. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make | | violent revolution inevitable. | | | | John F. Kennedy | | | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Re: Freedom Forum report on the State of the First Amendment (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 17:12:06 +0100 (MET) > Subject: Re: Freedom Forum report on the State of the First Amendment > From: nobody(a)REPLAY.COM (Anonymous) > >Hmmm... > > > >Apologies. In *theory* you have those rights, on *paper*, you have those > >rights, but in *practice*, you're correct, the Government has power that > >it gleefully abuses, forcing others to comply w/ political correctness. > > Well no, on paper you do have those rights, and you don't have those > rights. Laws have been written so that you do not have those rights. > Are those laws consitutional? No. Does the fascist regime, or the > average apathetic American care? No. All it takes is a small group of individuals willing to fight the fight. Constitutional democracy is *not* mob rule. As long as you quit because nobody else will pat you on the shoulder and tell you how right you are then you aren't freedom loving. Freedom is a selfish endeavour. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make | | violent revolution inevitable. | | | | John F. Kennedy | | | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Re: Why I Support Microsoft
by Brian B. Riley 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On 12/29/97 6:47 AM, Patrick May (pjm(a)spe.com) passed this wisdom: > Okay, so I'm a UNIX-head; I forgot about the Macs (a dangerous >thing to do, given the ferocity of their supporters). If the >government were to adopt my suggestion, two major results would be: > > - The third party market for Linux software would grow rapidly > and enormously. > - The government's software budget would be reduced dramatically. that's OK, we Mac-heads have MacLinkPlus translators, we just get em to write another half dozen or so translators for Linux and Linux file system recognitions to the OS, no big deal ... we have always prided ourselves that MacOS often reads and processes Windoze documents better than WinDoze does ... Brian B. Riley --> http://members.macconnect.com/~brianbr For PGP Keys <mailto:brianbr@together.net?subject=Get%20PGP%20Key> "In effect, to follow, not to force the public inclination; to give a direction, a form, a technical dress, and a specific sanction, to the general sense of the community, is the true end of legislature." -- Edmund Burke

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Re: Abandonment of legal precedence... (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > From: "William H. Geiger III" <whgiii(a)invweb.net> > Date: Mon, 29 Dec 97 11:51:15 -0600 > Subject: Re: Abandonment of legal precedence... > >The *entire* point of the forming of the United States over 200 years ago > >was the specific intent to break with precedence, in particular *English* > >precedence, and find a new way. > > Well that may sound nice and give you all kinds of warm fuzzies the fact > of the matter is English Common Law is the basis of the Judicial System in > America as it was before the break with England. > > While the revolution changed the political form of government it did > little to change the judical system. Murder was still murder, theift was > still theift, contracts were still valid before and after the war. So your premise is that the changes that were implimented at the time of the Constitution were all the changes that the founding fathers had in mind? You hold that while it is clear that the founding fathers recognized that the quantity of change required was such that they would not be able to impliment it realisticaly since nobody would accept that range of change at one time? You further hold that the Constitution is not a document that holds an ideal of freedom for us which will require generations of striving? You seriously expect to get up one morning and find that no new laws will be needed and that we have solved all the issues respecting human interaction? You further hold that with 200+ years of English jurisprudence behind us we have actualy attained that nirvana? In short, you would have us take it all - the good and the bad - and ignore our right to pick and choose what works for us? If we accept your view, blacks would still be slaves and women would still not be able to vote, and men couldn't vote unless they were landed. Do me a favor, please don't try to lick my hand. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make | | violent revolution inevitable. | | | | John F. Kennedy | | | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Anonymous IRC (was "Cypherpunks IRC Christmas Eve Party")
by Mark Hedges 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

We found IRC users to be so involved in petty information wars -- ping floods, malicious prank hacking, and the like -- that we directed policy against use of IRC from the anonymous shell accounts at CyberPass. If IRC users weren't so easily lulled by the tempation to crash a server or run malicious bots or just plain irritate other people for fun, and if they would gang up and kick out people who did that, then perhaps we'd switch that back on. They were just too much overhead. Everyone else seems pretty nice, really, as far as the system goes. They're all self-interested in keeping the anonymous publishing and so on going, so the peace keeps itself. Mark Hedges Infonex and Anonymizer

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Vulis again
by Information Security 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> I tried sending an anonymous test article to comp.org.cauce via the CRACKER > remailer. Sure enough, the Gypsie Jew Zorch forged a cancel for my article: Vulis, you are the only Gypsie Jew around here. Half Romanian Gypsie, half Hungarian Jew. ---guy

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Govt. employees get pay raise... [CNN] (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: >From ravage(a)ssz.com Tue Dec 30 11:21:57 1997 From: Jim Choate <ravage(a)ssz.com> Message-Id: <199712301721.LAA06351(a)einstein.ssz.com> Subject: Govt. employees get pay raise... [CNN] To: users(a)ssz.com (SSZ User Mail List) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 11:21:54 -0600 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 2003 Forwarded message: > Federal Workers Ring In New Year With Pay Raise > > [INLINE] > > WASHINGTON (AllPolitics, Dec. 30 -- Government workers will enjoy on > average a 2.8 percent increase in their pay checks starting New Year's > day as President Bill Clinton Monday issued an executive order > authorizing the federal pay raise. > > The order grants members of the military a straight 2.8 percent raise. > > > Civilian employees get 2.3 percent, plus a "locality" adjustment that > varies depending on geographic location. White House spokesman Joe > Lockhart said this adjustment averages at 0.5 percent. > > The vice president, federal judges and members of Congress will also > get a 2.3 percent increase in salary, but with no adjustment. [text deleted] ____________________________________________________________________ | | | Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make | | violent revolution inevitable. | | | | John F. Kennedy | | | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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