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Voice over data
by rishab＠dxm.ernet.in 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Eric Hughes wrote: > the great voice-over-data protocols and products introduced by > Intel, Rockwell, ZyXEL and others at Comdex which will make > Voice-PGP so much easier > > As I understand these voice-over-data products, the voice goes over > analog, added to the modem signal. The modem signal is interpreted, > and then reconstructed and subtracted from the incoming signal, > leaving voice. Very clever, but insufficient for secure phones. I don't think that's how they do it. As far as I know, most methods multiplex digitized audio with the data. One system used by some people in India provides a dynamic combination of fax, (digitized) voice and data, depending on the throughput - eg vox/9.6 data if 14.4kbps, fax as well if 19.2, etc. While Intel and others are proposing standards, ZyXEL does it with software along with a voice card or possibly RJ11 input. A friend of mine saw a demo of it at Comdex, on an old 1496E (16.8 kbps zyxel to zyxel). The new v.34 does 28.8k - lots of room for clear digitized voice and high speed data. This is exactly why I thought it would make secure voice easier, if not secure phones (who wants to lug a modem and PC around as a 'handset'?). I'll be testing some Onetics Rad VFAST modems this week, which apparently do digitized voice over v.34 as well. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rishab Aiyer Ghosh "Clean the air! clean the sky! wash the wind! rishab(a)dxm.ernet.in take stone from stone and wash them..." rishab(a)arbornet.org Voice/Fax/Data +91 11 6853410 Voicemail +91 11 3760335 H 34C Saket, New Delhi 110017, INDIA

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PGP on a VAX
by Mark Rogaski 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- I was wondering what the status of getting PGP compiled on a VAX was. The academic machine here is a VAX 6540 running VMS 5.5-1. Of course I avoid it, but I want to spread the good word amongst the IUP student users. Any place I can get documentation? - ----- Doc "I used to think that my brain was the rogaski(a)phobos.lib.iup.edu best part of my body ... but then I http://www.lib.iup.edu/~rogaski/ remembered who was telling me this." 100,000 lemmings can't be wrong! - Emo Phillips finger fllevta(a)oak.grove.iup.edu for PGP Public Key -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBLt/FJR0c4/pqJauBAQExfQP/Z1EhLyYw449tTTjYrNNlLRdLA9sA2V+o rpYUgKc0o8yGfEVkERhMH5F40IawXfXkcmVp9Zk+AV8Z7GP2YYpIT8pbFuGSYAYZ HuZXUmYgfmGkzM9uyxV82TyTjh9hQ4Hv7ijwWIPOeROV552WJZYzamJqeBfdi/80 xR13UjkjZs4= =CA+0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Cypherpunks@hks.net service
by pfarrell＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> It will sign any message sent to cypherpunks(a)hks.net with its >> (currently 384 bit) key and forward the signed message to >> cypherpunks(a)toad.com. > > No offense, but what's the point? What's next, automated key-signing The point is that if Eric insists on arbitrary rules that threaten the list, some bright c'punk will "write code" to circumvent the assinine rule. Use technology to solve problems... But that is why a number of folks have posted that the rule is at best ill conceived. Eric simply hasn't listented. Thus the recent mini-flame war that again lowers the signal to noise ratio on the list. He wants the world to use encryption. So do I. But the tools are not there for even the net-heads on this list. There is nothing close to tools suitable for Joe Sixpack. Changing the rules on c'punks won't change that. Pat Pat Farrell Grad Student pfarrell(a)cs.gmu.edu Department of Computer Science George Mason University, Fairfax, VA Public key availble via finger #include <standard.disclaimer> - --- [This message has been signed by an auto-signing service. A valid signature means only that it has been received at the address corresponding to the signature and forwarded.] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Gratis auto-signing service iQBFAwUBLuCljioZzwIn1bdtAQEjewF+N4i7B7kdkeGyi+ggI4PjQAbQ6Uyl+45i mqbyWWGDptWY/nsZOmLmBnX8T64U1JuH =e2n2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: DETWEILER IS SPOOFING US!!!
by lmccarth＠ducie.cs.umass.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Alan Bostick writes: > Thank you, Mr. Anonymous, your comedy has relieved a great deal of the > tension, at least here. If it weren't for LD's successful attacks on the remailer bramble, I might be able to derive some amusement from this. As it is, this stuff just makes my blood boil. If some government agency isn't sponsoring his antics, it certainly should be. I used to be surprisingly willing to keep an open mind and take LD's claims seriously; more than most non-paranoiacs, I think. He had a fair shot to gain my support. Instead, he's made yet another life-long enemy. I hope I'm making myself perfectly clear, LD. I don't despise you because Tim said so, or Eric said so, or because of your criticism of the list. I despise you as a direct result of your own deliberate actions. You've brought this upon yourself. Feel free to slither away now. - - -L. McCarthy - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.1 iQCVAwUBLuC6dWf7YYibNzjpAQGWLwP/XAE5ZHwOByUrIqA2PbwbW9ZkMMdUMo3i eIIkJQnxOmDP3cp1Pr5eaMywyNACxCfBVs1jU5KXEp1XEcQmTD1ib6vXS28zAzlr SQhh2up2k4pNWr0uK/X6IHD3vVnUlbRkjk+fSE18/BhYRNaS7cELnMbFDQXsdtz/ KpAgGl4SM08= =R/UR - -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- - --- [This message has been signed by an auto-signing service. A valid signature means only that it has been received at the address corresponding to the signature and forwarded.] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Gratis auto-signing service iQBFAwUBLuC72CoZzwIn1bdtAQH9fAF/deI6ep4aqGK+yraM2fF9qR5+kJ3yMpWu ALPJ/rTioGjezsYx6/y1cotR1gf4SV6B =Pdlu -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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ecash trial issues explained
by usura＠vox.xs4all.nl 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- bigmac(a)digicash.com (Marcel van der Peijl) writes: : : Last time I checked (a week ago, I am currently on the road) there : well over 500 or 600 active ecash accounts. But there are another : 1000 accounts waiting, and new requests coming in between 10 and 100 : per day. [..] : Because we can not support a 24 hour staff and we want : to keep response time low, people in time zones close to ours (GMT+1) : have been issued accounts first. At the moment we are confident we can : scale up the trial. I promise you it will not be several more months : before everyone can join the trial. There is a sort of (limited) Freenet system in Holland called DDS, people can request an account, (wich usually takes 48 hours), if youre - -really- want ECash fast, get an Dutch-English dictionary and type: telnet dds.nl EnJoY Alex -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2. iQCVAgUBLuC8bVnfdBSNVpE9AQFneAQAr2hdWpmiK4jmw2c1NO/miL46OincgRpp KE39FZzCCx9z0+2EWiFj2i7v6A9zfzDk4OQ94fKCA/jypFMBv6fCf/Sar/4cymcf zU5PDgwyxQHBk9RPVMG2M0o1mMKEDINfq3amfpw2UQz99gqzzRhLsqmyk3Z2rM+E flDSfK5RIIE= =gd6r -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Exit! Stage Left. Alex de Joode <usura(a)xs4all.nl>

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Re: Kudos
by owner-cypherpunks＠hks.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- In article <J6VRwc2w165w(a)vox.xs4all.nl>, Alex de Joode <usura(a)vox.xs4all.nl> wrote: >I did not write the above message; it was probably send using my >remailer wich is installed at usura(a)xs4all.nl. > >Todd, could you let the software use the from line and not the >sender/originator line, or whatever caused this error? Actually, I've been using the "From " line in the UNIX mail file, as it's the "envelope" address. But that's because the system I built on top of was an infobot. I'll change it to just pass the "From: " header along from the input. Sorry 'bout that. -- Todd - -- Todd Masco | "Roam home to a dome, Where Georgian and Gothic once stood cactus(a)hks.net | Now chemical bonds alone guard our blond(e)s, cactus(a)bb.com | And even the plumbing looks good." - B Fuller - --- [This message has been signed by an auto-signing service. A valid signature means only that it has been received at the address corresponding to the signature and forwarded.] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Gratis auto-signing service iQBFAwUBLuDMNyoZzwIn1bdtAQFkTwGAo2NiQbARWrJHrbfFalQl+reXwgi7KAEK u7IJxm3aLxC+ZsYfDIo8DOupp/kPakLl =Av+q -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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GATT and RSA
by rishab＠dxm.ernet.in 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

grendel(a)netaxs.com: > Anyone know how GATT would affect this, if passed? ABC News ran a > short blurb a few nights ago about how it contained intellectual property > provisions, and that patents would be honored worldwide. (?) What effect > would this have on the distribution of PGP, and other software that uses > RSAREF? GATT doesn't say that the world has to adopt US patent laws. It insists on the acceptance of certain categories of biotech and pharmaceutical patents, but not algorithms or software. Nor does registering a global patent become significantly easier - you still have to file (and pay for) patents in each country you want to 'work' it. Filing first in PCT (Patent Coorporation Treaty) signatories makes the process somewhat cheaper, that's all. So GATT is unlikely to affect RSA. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rishab Aiyer Ghosh "In between the breaths is rishab(a)dxm.ernet.in the space where we live" rishab(a)arbornet.org - Lawrence Durrell Voice/Fax/Data +91 11 6853410 Voicemail +91 11 3760335 H 34C Saket, New Delhi 110017, INDIA

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No Subject
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Has anyone seen this before: 0h n0!@# Y0r SySteM hAz bEeN TAkeN 0veR bY k0mUTeR P1rAteS!@# _._ Y0 h0 h0 aNNa b0ttLe 0f rUm!@# / \ _____________ __/ L0CK! \__ / \ Avast, Ya SkUrvEE d0g!@# (_____________)| Arrr! I'm a | Yav bEEn b0ArDeD by tHe |\___// | | Pirate! | M0st r00tenEst, t00t1nezT | ||| O | / \_____________/ C0mpUtEr p1rAteZ tHat evER \ v / / d1D sAle thE s1l1k0n seA!@# \"/ Hay Sk0Tt!@ " H0wZ j1m d01ng?!?@# L egion ________________ 0 f LaRrY L0Ck |L0CK's G0al aNd | C 0dE SeZ: | Misshun!@#: | K ydz \||// /~~~~~~~\ |________________| [tHeSE / ! Oo | Ptttht! | | 2 B s0 El1tE | KarAkturz ---{ @ ()^() /\_______/ | ThAt 0ur HedZ | d0n't MeaN Sh1t.] \ # (U) | X-PL0De!@#$ | |________________| "Man...we're so lame, it hurts..." Th1z M0TD 1z MuCh beTTeR thAn tHe oNe thAt wAz up heRe B 4!@# GirLiee Usurz!? WaReZ the G1rl1e uZurz!?

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pirate picture
by anonymous-remailer＠xs4all.nl 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Damn, those philosphy department doctoral candidates from Columbia are at it again. > Has anyone seen this before: > > > > 0h n0!@# Y0r SySteM hAz bEeN > TAkeN 0veR bY k0mUTeR P1rAteS!@# > _._ Y0 h0 h0 aNNa b0ttLe 0f rUm!@# > / \ _____________ > __/ L0CK! \__ / \ Avast, Ya SkUrvEE d0g!@# > (_____________)| Arrr! I'm a | Yav bEEn b0ArDeD by tHe > |\___// | | Pirate! | M0st r00tenEst, t00t1nezT > | ||| O | / \_____________/ C0mpUtEr p1rAteZ tHat evER > \ v / / d1D sAle thE s1l1k0n seA!@# > \"/ Hay Sk0Tt!@ > " H0wZ j1m d01ng?!?@# L egion > ________________ 0 f LaRrY L0Ck > |L0CK's G0al aNd | C 0dE SeZ: > | Misshun!@#: | K ydz \||// /~~~~~~~\ > |________________| [tHeSE / ! Oo | Ptttht! | > | 2 B s0 El1tE | KarAkturz ---{ @ ()^() /\_______/ > | ThAt 0ur HedZ | d0n't MeaN Sh1t.] \ # (U) > | X-PL0De!@#$ | > |________________| "Man...we're so lame, it hurts..." > > Th1z M0TD 1z MuCh beTTeR thAn tHe oNe thAt wAz up heRe B 4!@# > > GirLiee Usurz!? WaReZ the G1rl1e uZurz!?

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Re: Mighty morphing power cypherpunks
by Rick Busdiecker 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: jamesd(a)netcom.com (James A. Donald) Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 17:13:28 -0800 (PST) My point was that if some of the autonag messages go astray, or are deliberately misled, who cares? I suspect that LD would love to play around with this feature. Spoof a letter from someone and you can make the cypherpunks send that person some hate mail. Basically, I just think it's a mistake. I think that annotating a message as it passes through cypherpunks -- such as cypherpunks(a)hks.net does -- is a fine idea. However, I think that adding new ways for attackers to make privacy advocates look bad isn't a great idea. The proposed system is for everyone, not just pseudonyms. If I meant pseudonyms, I would have said pseudonyms, not nyms. I understood that and followed the same convention. I'm not worried about pseudonyms -- they land in the bit bucket somewhere. I'm more concerned about spoofed real addresses. Rick

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