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Netscape
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi! There appears to be some new Netscape files with US encryption in ftp://utopia.hacktic.nl/pub/replay/pub/incoming/ netscape-fts2-hp10.tar.gz Fast Track Server 2.0 for HPUX10 netscape-fts2-nt.exe Fast Track Server 2.0 for WinNT netscape-hpus-30b5.tar.gz Navigator 3.0b5 for HP-UX netscape-linux-30b5.tar.gz Navigator 3.0b5 for Linux netscape-ssl30-src.tar.gz SSL 3.0 source code netscape32us-30b5.exe Navigator 3.0b5 for Win95/NT By the way, is it possible to get a certificate for the Fast Track 128 bit servers outside of north america? Or would the certificate issuer be conspiring to export crypto if he exported a certificate?

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Re: Responding to Pre-daw
by Ernest Hua 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> > > Except that getting killed in a traffic accident IS an accident (mostly :) > > > while having black clad Fed's storming into your house was _consciously_ > > > decided by them, because THEY have a problem with YOUR guns (?!)... > > > > I think the original point was that they MIGHT storm into your house > > by mistake (say, because they incorrectly accepted a informant's > > story). Therefore, it is truly a mistake. > > Well, not really. It would be severe case of neglegence which is not the > same as a mistake. When you drive, you have to prove that you know what > you are doing by getting a driver's licence. Uh ... I think you missed the point of my mail. I think I explained it later on, but here it is in different words. It may be clearer this time. > If you are a SWAT guy and some informer would come along and say "This > and that person is a terrorist, I know for sure" and you go into that > house and shoot everything that moves, well, doesn't sound much like an > accident to me... I think it would be unfortunate if you think that SWAT team members are trained to storm in and shoot anything that moves. They are trained to provide protection to themselves while attempting to apprehend the target. That, to you, may be a subtle difference, but it make a big difference to me: 1. In your interpretation, they literally rampage through the target site without much regard for the destruction they may cause. 2. In my interpretation, they are trying their best to balance the need to quickly apprehend the target, with the serious potential of being harmed in the process. In circumstances where there is beyond a shadow of a doubt that the target is criminal, then I would support their actions fully. But it is clear that mistakes have been made in the past. The tragic consequences of those mistakes are unforgivable. Therefore, the mistakes MUST be prevented. That said, I think, in most cases (and I believe most LE believe this too), there does not need to be a violent conflict. I believe they can choose a different scenario. They do not have to choose a scenario where they have to be in immediate danger. The recent Montana standoff is an example where government agents did NOT choose to storm in (good or bad decision is another debate). It is not unreasonable to be scared into doing irrational things if someone storms into your house at 4am. However, if you get a phone call saying your house is surrounded, you might have more time to think straight and realize that there is some horrible mistake. And, as far as I know, it is perfectly legal to be a little paranoid. Ern

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Re: Responding to Pre-dawn Unannounced Ninja Raids
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 5:21 PM 7/19/96, Arun Mehta wrote: >I must admit all this talk about what kinds of bullet best >penetrates Kevlar makes me >shake my head and wonder what's happening to the world -- >particularly since you are >far more likely to use this weaponry in a rage against a loved one than >against >someone breaking down your door. The "good" guys arming By "you," I have to presume you mean "me." No, I am not at likely to use this weapon in a rage against a loved one. Trust me. In any case, by far the most common weapon used for family killings is the ordinary knife. Easily available, in multiple forms, it kills efficiently (if not always quickly). >themselves so that the "bad" >don't invade reminds me of the stupid arms race between the US >and the Soviets: I >wonder how many burglars in Western Europe carry guns -- in the US, you'd >be real stupid if you didn't carry the latest weaponry. It may sound "stupid" to you...I suggest you read up on evolutionary game theory. Sometimes one has no choice but to respond to an arms buildup. Unilateral disarmament rarely works. By the way, many burglars consciously and carefully choose to be unarmed, as confrontation is _not_ what they want, and they know that possession of a firearm during a robbery significantly worsens their situation if they are apprehended. --Tim May Boycott "Big Brother Inside" software! We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, we know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Licensed Ontologist | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Re: MSNBC and cookies
by E. ALLEN SMITH 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: IN%"junger(a)pdj2-ra.F-REMOTE.CWRU.Edu" "Peter D. Junger" 19-JUL-1996 13:57:57.15 >It's a nuisance, but I suppose there is no reason that a commercial >service can't do such a thing. But what happens when one tries to >access it with Lynx? At least with VAX/VMS Lynx (I assume the other version would be doing the same thing), you get stopped at "Welcome to MSNBC [IMAGE]". Both links lead to the same page, namely the one you're already on. -Allen

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Re: Responding to Pre-dawn Unannounced Ninja Raids
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 6:42 AM 7/19/96, snow wrote: >On Thu, 18 Jul 1996, Doug Hughes wrote: > >> If people break into my house with the element of surprise wearing >> all black in the middle of the night, they have the element of surprise >> FIRMLY on their side.. I'd have to believe that reaching for a gun >> was the most stupid thing I could do in the entire world in this sort >> of circumstance. >> "You'd be right, but you'd be dead" - Dr. SNMP >> If you don't reach for a gun, at least you have the 'chance' for >> restitution on your side. If you're dead, you have no options. > > If you are trained a certain way, you _are_ going to reach for >a weapon, and hell, at least then my kid will have enough money to go to >whatever college she wants. Snow is absolutely right! Surprised in the night, with no clear identification of the entrants (and yelled "Police!!" claims are used by home invaders, so I would not trust this anyway), a trained person will instinctively reach for his weapon. I again ask what was so wrong with the "You are surrounded. Come out with your hands up." routine of years past. Instead of anonymous ninjas in paramilitary black raiding a house and shooting anything that moves, use some "due process." And "due process" is what it's about. Presentation of a warrant, or at least pretty careful announcement of identity. Blasting down doors without presentation of an arrest or search warrant is just not the American way. Are there circumstances that can ever justify no-warning attacks? I suppose so, such as when clear evidence of, say, a bomb-making or terrorist cell is invovled. Neither condition was met at at either Ruby Ridge or Waco, nor in the vast number of midnight drug raids. If a black-clad ninja enters my house without warning, I'll have to react the only way I know how, by reaching for my gun. I don't have the luxury of freezing, exposing my neck (wolf-style), and hoping that the ninjas are "just" the police. And very interestingly, many cops are saying the same thing. They realize that the dangers of being killed in a firefight in the confusion of a pre-dawn raid are not worth the meager gains. And SWAT-raiding the wrong house has resulted in many a million-dollar judgements agasint police departments. --Tim May Boycott "Big Brother Inside" software! We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, we know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Licensed Ontologist | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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3DES Weakness
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

NYT-Markoff reports today on Biham and Knudsen's paper on 3DES weakness, "Cryptanalysis of the ANSI X9.52 CBCM Mode," noted here a few days ago. The ANSI X9.F1 committee has held up implementing its standard as a result, and may have to wait for AES. Credit is given to the worldwide DES crack. http://www.nytimes.com See a mirror: http://jya.com/3des-weak.htm Get the Biham/Knudsen paper: http://www.cs.technion.ac.il/%7Ebiham/publications.html

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T 1563 and pals
by bill payne 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Tuesday 3/31/98 7:39 AM John Gilmore John Young J Orlin Grabbe Reading the stuff on the pals at http://www.jya.com/pal-nukes.htm http://www.research.att.com/~smb/nsam-160/pal.html jogged my memory. After we completed the Forth implementation of the Missile Secure Cryptographic Unit at least Hal Pruett, Duane DeWerff, myself, and perhaps several others were invited to NSA at Fort Meade in about 1985-6. NSA employee Bill Legato assailed me for using Forth for the implementation of the MSCU. Legato hated Forth and relayed his hate to Sandia management. This is one reason I was replaced as project leader by Tom Evans who was later replaced by Eric Disch. Possibly surprising, however, is that NSA sent Forth expert Don Simard to visit Sandia for several years. Kent Parsons commented to me that he thought Simard was an NSA spy sent to see what we were up to at Sandia. Simard, along with Bill Goldrick, were the two reviewers of my SAND report now seen at http://jya.com/whpfiles.htm EE Times, March 30, 1998 page 8 A Java chip being to ship in quantity SAN FRANCISCO - Patriot Scientific Corp. surged to the head of the silicon pack at the JavaOne conference last week, showing the PSC1000 RISC processor, which is shipping in quantity. Well be selling the chip for under $10 in volume and aiming at deeply embedded, low-power applications such as handheld devices and factory-floor control systems, said Phil Morettini, vice president of Patriot (San Diego). Competing offering from LG Semicon and NEC Corp., each based on Sun Microsystems Inc.s picoJava core, are not yet available, although select customers are said to have samples. Separately, Rockwell Collins Inc. (Cedar Rapids, Iowa) said that it has decided not to sell its Java-specific CPU on the merchant market. The company unveiled the innovative processor last fall. Here is their web site. http://www.ptsc.com/ Charles Moore, inventor of Forth, is author of the Shboom Java native code compiler for the PCS100. Rockwell built a Forth-like chip many years ago. I met Randy Dumse, who then worked for Rockwell, at a trade show. I got a copy of the Rockwell R65F11 chip manual from Dumse. Dumse quit Rockwell to start NewMicros seen at http://www.newmicros.com/ Click on history to see http://www.newmicros.com/history.html Of course, the Harris RTX 2000 chip used by NASA is a descendant of Charles Moores Novix Forth chip. http://groucho.gsfc.nasa.gov/forth/ Ballard, I was told by Jeff Allsup of Wood Hole, used polyForth to discover the wrecks of the Titanic and Bismarck. A central debate is whether a high-level language should be used for a weapons programmer. The implementer must be able to account for each bit. In Forth I can. Possibility exists that an disgruntled implementer might 'spike' a weapon so that it went off at an unintended time. Sandia supervisor Don Schroeder was an OUTSPOKEN critic of the T 1563 nuclear bomb controller. SCHROEDER,DONALD H. (505)845-8409 DHSCHRO (505)844-9478 0519 DHSCHRO(a)sandia.gov The T 1563 did not work very well. One reason is that it was written in about 112,000 lines of assembler. NSA was reluctant to approve use of an operating system or even a high-level language for crypto implementation for the reasons that security could not be guaranteed. Sandia did not have the resources required to write its own secure operating system and high-level language. This is why we used the Forth operating system and high-level language. Schroeder division employee Mike Sharp SHARP,MICHAEL W. (505)845-8444 MWSHARP (505)284-3850 1138 MWSHARP(a)sandia.gov wrote a T 1563 implementation in, I think C or Pascal. Henry Newgass modified the transient part of command.com so that on power-up a PC directly entered Sharps program. Jerry Allen, who also saw the merits of using an operating system and high-level language, funded Neugass. ALLEN,DOUGLAS J. (505)845-9624 DJALLEN (505)844-7593 1201 DJALLEN(a)sandia.gov I wrote the purchase order. I learned several months ago that Sandia built a PC version of the T 1563 called the T 1663, I was told, which was supplied to the Air Force. The threaded code - compiled native code battle continues. I am sort-of happy to be back [somewhat] doing MASM code - along with a bit of Forth and Forth assembler on the 80c32. I see that J Orlin Grabbe is linking Permissive Action Links at http://www.aci.net/kalliste/ I read Both strong links must be closed electrically -- one by specific operator-coded input and one by environmental input corresponding to an appropriate flight trajectory -- in order for the weapon to be armed. George Dullek and Jon Bryan worked together on accellerometers for flight trajectory sensing. Dullek and Bryan are Forth programmers. DULLECK JR.,GEORGE R. (505)844-2628 GRDULLE (505)844-8480 1073 GRDULLE(a)sandia.gov BRYAN,JON R. (505)844-2015 JRBRYAN (505)844-6161 1003 JRBRYAN(a)sandia.gov Sandia had a division devoted to crystal oscillators. The oscillators for the micro occasionally fail to start - a bad scene if this happens when trying to arm a nuke. Dick Adams, also in department 2300, was in charge of oscillators. Adams never seemed to many of us too interested in his job. Adams took an early voluntary separation package from Sandia with a large educational retraining incentive. And went to cooking school in San Francisco, Bob Wayland told me. The real world again. Thanks to good research, some whistleblowing, and Internet details of fuzing the US nuclear arsenal are being revealed. Lets ALL hope for SETTLEMENT of this unfortunate mess before it gets WORSE. I want my money and I am out of this mess. Later bill

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Re: Kellstrom Calls for DT Funding
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 02:33 PM 7/19/96 -0400, Duncan Frissell wrote: >In a "briefing" on TWA 800 when one of the reporters tossed Big Jim >Kellstrom (Deputy Director in Charge of the New York Office) of the FBI a >softball question about what he needed to fight terrorism; he took the >opportunity to call for full funding of the Digital Telephony Bill. He said >the usual about how bad guys conspire and we need to tap. Too bad these people aren't required to show specific examples where the "bad guys" got away as a result of their failure to be able to do wiretaps. Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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Re: Responding to Pre-dawn Unannounced Ninja Raids
by Chris Adams 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On 18 Jul 96 01:20:16 -0800, tcmay(a)got.net wrote: >I wonder when and how raids in the U.S. moved from the "Come out with your >hands up" verbal announcement (for the cases that needed more than a knock >on the door) to this blast-in-the-doors approach, where the raiders are >dressed in "tactical black" and are wearing black Nomex hoods and carrying >MP-5s and blast any "perp" who looks at them cross-eyed? OTOH, you have to admit that the possibility of being attacked by a (most likely) better armed criminal has bothered many cops - it has to be a rather stresful job. Sadly, they seem to either a) overreact as noted above or b) be led by idiots who order the above... I used to be a fidonet point off of a board run by a cop. He was very reasonable, and unfortunately seemed to be right at the point where he had enough "empowerment" to be blamed but not enough to shine a little common sense into things... Almost like Vietnam - the grunts get shot and ridiculed because the desk-pilots can't make a valid policy. I liked Tom Clancy's description of the CIA: "We have a lot of people who are good at ordering their martninis shaken, not stirred." >As people as diverse as Marine Colonel Jeff Cooper and Watergate felon G. >Gordon Liddy have noted, any black-clad "ninjas" entering a home at 4 a.m. >without clearly announcing themselves are asking for trouble. (Liddy got in >a lot of trouble for calling for "head shots" on rampaging BATFags. >Frankly, I'm not a good enough shot--especially in high-stress >situations--to make head shots with my H & K .45, so I can only hope to >make torso shots.) See, you need to use that computer - automated defense systems. Bet it could do okay with a ballistics module... <g> >least two of them with me. (Interestingly, the same class of folks who want >to ban "military-grade crypto" are also seeking to ban Kevlar vest-piercing >rounds. Fortunately, though KTW ammo is no longer available to "marks" (= >civilians), .45 ACP +P does a pretty good job. Certain +P .357 Magnum What's really funny is that nobody seems to notice that criminals aren't that concerned with breaking laws. I think some people need to go to Dogbert's school of Common Sense... // Chris Adams <adamsc(a)io-online.com> - Webpages for sale! Se habla JavaScript! // Automatically receive my resume or PGPKEY by sending email with a subject // of 'send PGPKEY' or 'send resume'. Capitalization counts so be careful!

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American People the relation to the Police
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hello, Forwarded message: > Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 19:51:39 -0400 > From: Hallam-Baker <hallam(a)ai.mit.edu> > Subject: Re: Responding to Pre-dawn Unannounced Ninja Raids > > The people of the USA fortunately disagree. Its no coincidence that Limbaugh > has been unable to continue his tv show after his coverage of the OKC bombing. > It is not socially acceptable to call for the murder of Police officers in most > countries. By doing so you are discrediting yourself and those who support you. I am a US citizen. My family were French Heugonauts who came here to escape persecution on religious grounds in the late 1590's. One of my ancestors, Rufus Choate, was a lawyer who argued Women Suffrage to the Supreme Court (he lost AFAIK) in the 1890's. I am operating under two premises. First, that the Constitution is the supreme law of the land. I am also interpreting it literally, under the assumption that our founding fathers were reasonably intelligent men and knew how to express their intents clearly. It is only our desire to avoid the uncertainty that some of the rights imply (eg speech) as well as the potential damage they might cause that clouds the issues for us. In short the uncertainty in constitutional law comes from us and not the Constitution. I disagree. This country fought two wars of liberation (you forgot about 1812) and a civil war to discredit this thesis in relation to a Democracy founded upon individual liberty. It is no coincidence that the Tree of Liberty needs watered with blood on occasion. It is how the value of human life and the pursuits thereof are measured. The entire point of the Second Amendment to the Constitution is to guarantee that the Federal Government does not have sole access to and use of deadly force. The Militia exists to fight the Federal government and other internal insurrections. The Army and Navy are pointed outward, from a constitutional point any use of these forces inside the border of the United States against US citizens is prohibited. At no point is the military given authority over any civil organization or individuals in the Constitution other than in times of war with declaration of Martial Law. I further contend that without Martial Law being called the current use of the military in civil law enforcement are unconstitutional. I will further contend that various parts of the Constitution clearly show intent on the part of the founding fathers to limit the ability of the Federal government to use force. We should recognize what they seemed to have understood viceraly. All rights stem from an individual being alive. Civilization and Democracy in particular should be to increase the ability of an individual to do this. They also understood that democratic government were entered into by the founders (at least, automatic citizenship clouds this issue down the road) voluntarily and with the clear intent to better their position in the world. To this end the avoidance of the use of violence at all costs short of losing your life is a major plus. The constitutional point is to reduce the need for violence. Revolution and War are not murder unless you lose. This is a basic tenet of civilization. I want to be sure you understand I am NOT calling for the use of force against anyone. I believe the only legitimate use of force is in the immediate and direct threat to ones life. I also think that the majority of our current problems can be resolved by the inclusion of the 9th and 10th Amendment in our legal system. > Do you support the "punishment beatings" performed by the IRA. So far this > year they have committed grievous bodliy harm against 270 people. They have > also murdered 4 people. There have been no deaths from police or army use > of firearms in that period. Your assertion is therefore false. How many of them died? Beaten? And from what? Seems I see a article now and again about somebody getting killed from rubber bullets, tear gas, beatings, etc. from police and other related forces. > If you want to discuss the politics of Ireland you should at least visit the > place. You don't have to fall off a mountain to understand the implications of a fall, understanding does not require direct experience in all cases. > You will find remarkably less sympathy for your romantic visions of > bloodshed amongst the people who have to live with the consequences. The > British people have little sympathy for either side and would quite happily > leave the two sides to slaughter each other if it wasnt for the fact that > the majority of the population wish to remain British and have voted to > remain so in regular referenda and national elections. If true, it doesn't speak very highly of the British people. Jim Choate

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