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CIA Trained Gorilla Femnists
by TruthMongrer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Male Gorilla, Released to Mate with Females, Drops Dead AP 24-MAR-98 TOKYO (AP) The excitement, or perhaps the pressure, apparently was too much for Sultan. The 28-year-old male gorilla, specially moved to a cage to mate with three females, instead dropped dead. The 400-pound lowland gorilla ran around briefly and played with his new friends Monday, then suddenly collapsed, apparently after suffering a heart attack, said Kunihiko Yasui, head of animal breeding at Kyoto Municipal Zoo. ~~~ Reports from non-mainstream news sources indicate that one of the female gorillas was carrying an umbrella which was nowhere to be found when invesigators searched the cage after the mysterious death of the male gorilla. Gertrude Stein, denying that an elite corps of techno-femnists is involved with providing CIA BlackOps training for female subjects of a digital-implant experiment being conducted by the NSA, merely said, "What is good for the goose is not always necessarily good for the gorilla." Anonymous sources from the CypherPunks Distributed Mailing List indicated that the assassination was coordinated by Blanc Weber, a list member who disguises her hidden agenda of MeatSpace violence by constantly admonishing list members for expressing the results of the excessive male hormones surging through their potential-rapist bodies. The sources cited Weber's previous support of Zsa-Zsa Grubor as proof of her involvement with radical femnist movements whose goals are secretly financed by Wonder Bra, Wonder Woman, and Wonder Bread. Mainstream media sources continue to claim that this post is nothing more than the psychotic babblings of a FrostBack To Be Named Later. However, this view is obvious in error, or an intelligent person such as yourself would not stil be reading this post, eh? TruthFemnist, "And, after my operation, I will learn to spell 'feminist' correctly."

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Re: Welcome to cypherpunks-unedited
by StanSquncr 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In a message dated 98-03-24 19:18:48 EST, Majordomo(a)toad.com writes: << Cypherpunks assume privacy is a good thing and wish there were more of it. Cypherpunks acknowledge that those who want privacy must create it for themselves and not expect governments, corporations, or other large, faceless organizations to grant them privacy out of beneficence. Cypherpunks know that people have been creating their own privacy for centuries with whispers, envelopes, closed doors, and couriers. Cypherpunks do not seek to prevent other people from speaking about their experiences or their opinions. >> I agree with all that. << ... Cypherpunks love to practice. They love to play with public key cryptography. ... >> But when it's used as simply a means of identifying yourself on a public list, is that really privacy protection? Seems like a mis-use of the technology to me. Stan

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Re: Why PGP isn't so ubiquitous (was NRC Session Hiss)
by Deranged Mutant 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On 3 Jun 96 at 21:59, Deranged Mutant wrote: [..] > More likely drop it altogether, or be openly admit they were forced > to include GAK (people will want the source, anyway). I retract the second part of that sentence. *Sigh* --- No-frills sig. Befriend my mail filter by sending a message with the subject "send help" Key-ID: 5D3F2E99 1996/04/22 wlkngowl(a)unix.asb.com (root@magneto) AB1F4831 1993/05/10 Deranged Mutant <wlkngowl(a)unix.asb.com> Send a message with the subject "send pgp-key" for a copy of my key.

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Where are the cryptographers going to come from?
by nelson＠crynwr.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> >----- Forwarded Cyberia-L message (DAVID POST <postd(a)EROLS.COM>) -----< > Someone else pointed to a recent story in the Economist, which > listed the leading encryption software/services companies > worldwide, each of which is Israeli. > > Bidzos made the claim, and many others echoed, that the export > controls are in the process of doing nothing more than ceding a > potentially lucrative market to others, a market in which the US > might otherwise be expected to be the dominant player. It may > even, in the eyes of some, be too late to undo this damage. Not only that, but where are the cryptographers of the future going to come from for the NSA to recruit? Israel?? Oh right, foreign nationals privy to our own highest secrets, give me a break. Do they intend to train them themselves? If so, that's identical in principle to universities granting tenure to their own graduates. You get inbred that way, so universities don't do that. The principle behind crypto secrecy presumes that other people don't have the secret. Once they do, you only hurt yourself by trying to keep a double-edged sword in the closet. The NSA believes that they can and should discard any amount of benefits of crypto in exchange for avoiding any harm of crypto. They are wrong. -russ <nelson(a)crynwr.com> http://www.crynwr.com/~nelson Crynwr Software | Crynwr Software sells packet driver support | PGP ok 11 Grant St. | +1 315 268 1925 voice | It's no mistake to err on Potsdam, NY 13676 | +1 315 268 9201 FAX | the side of freedom.

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cycle market
by bryce＠digicash.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- I was trying to think what I would use a cycle market for. The only thing that I wait for more than a minute on currently is compiling. It might be quicker to ship my source code to a remote compilation service with big pipes and big engines. Considering that I've got a Pentium 120 on my desktop, though, those would have be pretty big engines to make up for the time lost in transmission of source and compiler output (both compiler messages and object files.) Just musing out loud. Regards, Bryce -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2i Comment: Auto-signed under Unix with 'BAP' Easy-PGP v1.1b2 iQB1AwUBMbQ/d0jbHy8sKZitAQHRFgL/Ydkbb4ieFryq1ZRwAVPR0/gksKdVMJ88 rWXGmqpHh810mi1vqgEjWL3XSJL1ogoN6GXuvpZQufvN0ldShOr+fDiodYX6g53K gK+6Z5WTUzTS6Wn1I/IGuSQ86Om4+JOg =MQ0q -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Electronic Signature Act Of 1996
by Ben Holiday 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

(Condensed from AP article) Florida now recognizes electronic signatures as legal and binding. In other words - its okay to sign it by modem. The electronic Signature Act of 1996 passed the Legislature unanimously and became law Friday. The law does not specify how an electronic document must be signed, but it probably will mean coding the text and typed signature so they cannot be changed by anyone other than the writer. California and Utah are the only other states that have laws recognizing electronic signatures.

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Re: Java
by frantz＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 9:06 AM 6/4/96 -0400, Perry E. Metzger wrote: >Bill Frantz writes: >> I'll say. You have also ignored some of Java's other features. Machine >> independence is probably the most important. > >Many languages are machine independent. Thats hardly a new feature. >... >However, your point is taken. Java is a neat little language in many >ways. However, that isn't cause enough for literally fifty books on >the subject to be on display, including breathless ones proclaiming >"Tips from experienced Java programmers!" as if there are any in the >world at this point. There are dozens of cute little languages in the >world -- scheme, smalltalk, etc, etc. I guess I tend to react to the Java hype with bemusement rather than horror. I enjoy joking with the clerks at Computer Literacy Bookstore about the "Java book of the day". However, unlike so much of the industry's over hyped marketing, with Java there is actually something worth while hidden under the massive hype. Java appears to have a chance of being adopted widely in the industry. We can discuss until the cows come home why Smalltalk, Scheme etc. have not achieved wide usage. I suspect it may be a combination of unfamiliar syntax, licensing issues, version compatibility issues, and the inability to do low level programming. These issues may also hit Java, but for now it is the nicest language around with a bandwagon behind it. If it replaces Basic, that will be a significant step forward. >I mean, with all the "Teach yourself Java in 21 days" and company >books coming out, you would think you were dealing witht he major >application programming language for the world instead of something >that at the moment is used for almost nothing more interesting than >fake scrolling LED sign applets. I agree that all the hype has been about applets. However there is one common non-applet Java application that shows that significant applications can be written in Java. That application is the Java compiler itself. If you are running on a Sun system, you can do real applications today. (On the Mac you are still in the "applet jail", but I haven't opened the latest Java environment that arrived on my desk last month, so I may be obsolete.) >> If you want defense in depth, run your Java interpreter in an OS >> environment which limits the interpreter's access to only those resources >> you wish it to access. > >Since that doesn't exist, it isn't an option for my users. It is not, >in any case, my obligation to make Java secure. I'm not the one hyping >it. I thought this was the effect the Unix people get when they run applications such as firewall code in a "chroot jail". Perhaps Netscape could make you happy by having its Unix based browsers run Java applet interpreters in such a jail. (I don't know, Unix is an imperfectly spoken foreign language to me.) >You could hand any websurfer a Netscape PGP plugin without much work >at all, and you could easily build it on lots of platforms. After all, >look at how many platforms that lowly C code like PGP runs on. Why don't we have one of these now? (N.B. not a rhetorical question) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Bill Frantz | The CDA means | Periwinkle -- Computer Consulting (408)356-8506 | lost jobs and | 16345 Englewood Ave. frantz(a)netcom.com | dead teenagers | Los Gatos, CA 95032, USA

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(Fwd) Crypto conference
by jya＠pipeline.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>----- Forwarded Cyberia-L message (DAVID POST <postd(a)EROLS.COM>) -----< I was at EPIC's annual crypto conference yesterday, and just thought I'd pass along my impressions. It was, as always, extremely interesting; EPIC does a terrific job at these things of getting a very diverse and thoughtful collection of people with interests in crypto policy into the room together, everyone from Whit Diffie and Phil Zimmermann and Eric Hughes to Scott Charney of DOJ and Bruce McConnell of the White House, people from the OECD and the hardware/software community, etc. There were panels on key escrow, digital cash, international developments, and the Karn/Bernstein cases and other domestic policy developments. To me, the most striking feature of the event was what I felt was a new bite to the complaints about export controls. People have been complaining, needless to say, about these for a while -- but the *economic* case for lifting controls is now in the forefront of the discussion in a way that was not the case before, imho. Indeed, there wasn't an enormous amount of talk about the *privacy* implications of encryption this time at all. Jim Bidzos of RSA gave a very powerful talk at lunch, at which he unveiled two chips that are now being mass produced by Nippon Telephone, one incorporating the Triple-DES algorithm, and one with the RSA public key algorithm. Someone else pointed to a recent story in the Economist, which listed the leading encryption software/services companies worldwide, each of which is Israeli. Bidzos made the claim, and many others echoed, that the export controls are in the process of doing nothing more than ceding a potentially lucrative market to others, a market in which the US might otherwise be expected to be the dominant player. It may even, in the eyes of some, be too late to undo this damage. Now, some of this may be exaggerated, special interest whining. But there's an interesting hook here. Many have talked about the importance of control over "standards " in network industries, the importance of obtaining an early dominant position in the market that can appropriate all of the network externalities waiting to be plucked out there. [Mark Lemley has an interesting discussion of this in a piece on antitrust on the Net -- Mark, is that out anywhere yet?] Acting quickly to penetrate the market becomes critical, not just because markets change on "Internet Time," but also because the early entrants have a chance of establishing themselves as de facto standards and thereby extending their dominance over time. This, one can plausibly argue, is what is happening -- has happened? -- in this market. It is more credible in these kinds of markets to argue, as Bidzos was arguing, that if government policymakers wait until there's actual evidence of damage, of "lost market share," to US companies, that it will at that point already be too late to do anything about the damage. ---------- [Second Cyberia-L message by David Post] One other interesting issue generated heated discussion -- as in yelling and screaming between audience and panel -- at the EPIC conference. Scott Charney of DOJ, who heads the US delegation to the OECD crypto guidelines conference, was subjected to pretty heated questioning about the possibility that the US is trying to use the international forum as a way to move a particular policy agenda that is *not* being successfully peddled at home, and then to use the international support as a means of moving the domestic policy debate in that direction. Jamie Boyle of AU was particularly eloquent about this concern (I raised it too, less eloquently) -- I think it fair to say that both of us had the copyright experience in the back of our minds, where, many of us believe, the US has been pushing the "Lehman agenda" in international discussions as a way of presenting Congress with a kind of fait accompli. Charney vigorously denied that this was going on -- he strongly argued that since the OECD guidelines are non-binding (unlike, say, the treaty obligations being discussed in the copyright context), there's simply nothing wrong with discussing these clearly global issues with our international partners. It was, as they say in the press, a spirited exchange. David ********************************* David G. Post, Georgetown University Law Center Postd(a)erols.com 202-364-5010 Cyberspace Law Institute home page http://www.cli.org ********************************* David ********************************* David G. Post, Georgetown University Law Center Postd(a)erols.com 202-364-5010 Cyberspace Law Institute home page http://www.cli.org *********************************

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Asendmail yet again
by Ben Holiday 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Ok so it isnt really and truely available. The right URL should have been: http://www.cyberpass.net/~ncognito If that still isn't right then im gonna assume that god is giving me a hint and go shoot myself in the head. Adios.

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Re: Class III InfoWar: TST Article
by Rev. Mark Grant, ULC 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Tue, 4 Jun 1996, Dan Haskovec wrote: > Here's the reply I got from a friend that I forwarded it to.... > and the verdict is... NetMYTH! I checked the cite in the article on > cyberterrorism... no such article ran on 6/2/96 in the Times > (London)... nor, in fact, in any newspaper available on Nexis... > just thought I would let you know... Hate to tell ya, but I read this article on Sunday on the front page of a real, physical, paper copy of the Sunday Times. Now admittedly I read it in a film studio so they might have faked it, but that would be some strange coincidence. Mark

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