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17 Dec '03

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FWD: Hot and cold running randomness
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The following article was on RISKS Digest. Obviously it's not usable for cryptographic randomness, since you can't trust the path to be safe from eavesdroppers (even if you're using SSL/RC4-128, can you trust the far end? or from denial of service attacks (so be careful about wiring it in), but sometimes you just want a good-quality random number to seed things, such as a simulation program, and it might not be a bad thing to hash in to your entropy pool with locally-derived sources. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 13:10:36 -0800 From: dwing(a)Cisco.COM (Dan Wing) Subject: Hot and cold running randomness TBTF's 9 Mar 1997 issue carried this item: #..Hot and cold running randomness # # Perhaps for the first time, anyone with an Internet connection can # tap a source of true randomness. The creator of HotBits [16], John # Walker <kelvin(a)fourmilab.ch>, describes it as # # > an Internet resource that brings genuine random numbers, # > generated by a process fundamentally governed by the inherent # > uncertainty in the quantum mechanical laws of nature, directly # > to your computer... HotBits are generated by timing successive # > pairs of radioactive decays... You order up your serving of # > HotBits by filling out a [Web] request form... the HotBits # > server flashes the random bytes back to you over the Web. # # Walker modified an off-the-shelf radiation detector to interface to # a PC-compatible serial port, and ran a cable three floors down from # his office to a converted 70,000-litre subterranean water cistern # with metre-thick concrete walls, where the detector nestles with a # 60-microcurie Krypton-85 radiation source. # # If you're in the mood for an anti-Microsoft rant of uncommon eloquence, # Walker can supply that too [17]. # # Thanks to Keith Bostic <bostic(a)bostic.com> for the word on this # delightful service. # # [16] <URL:http://www.fourmilab.ch/hotbits/> # [17] <URL:http://www.fourmilab.ch/hotbits/source/hotbits-c.html> An interesting idea, but hopefully no will use it -- it is too easily spoofed via DNS, and the host itself could be hacked to return the same 'random' number all the time. (Maybe after we have IPsec, SecDNS, _and_ you trust the host we could use services like this on the Internet). Dan Wing dwing(a)cisco.com ------------------------------ # Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart, +1-415-442-2215 stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com # You can get PGP outside the US at ftp.ox.ac.uk/pub/crypto/pgp # (If this is a mailing list, please Cc: me on replies. Thanks.)

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VSACM V2.0 Source Code Request
by ichudov＠algebra.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Mr. Ramos -- I would appreciate receiving a copy of the source code for your encryption software, for the purpose of peer review. Best regards, - Igor.

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ADV Weekly Transcripts
by advinfo＠dreamon.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--------------------------------------------------------------- American Dissident Voices is a world wide radio program which deals with topics of interest that concern people of European descent. We hope that these weekly articles will offer the reader an opposing viewpoint to the major news media. If you would like to unsubscribe to this service, please e-mail advinfo(a)dreamon.com. For more information visit the National Alliance web site at http://www.natall.com. For patriotic books, tapes and videos, visit National Vanguard Books Online Catalog at http://www.natvan.com/cgi-bin/nvbctlg.txt?url=www.natall.com -------------------------------------------- American Dissident Voices Online Radio http://www.natall.com/radio/radio.html Reports from Our Correspondents: Racial News from Around the World by Kevin Alfred Strom In this article we will be looking at news items, both profound and absurd, sent in by ADV listeners around the world, which have been overlooked or underreported by the controlled media. In a previous article I detailed a few of the many so-called "hate crimes" that actually turn out to be hoaxes perpetrated by the so-called oppressed groups themselves. Just after I filed that article another item was sent to me which continues the long list of such hoaxes. It's from the Pensacola News-Journal, June 1, 1996: MIAMI -- A Jewish father and son team were convicted of staging hate crimes by defacing a Jewish school's buses to drum up repair work. Al and Steven Rubin arranged for two teenagers to vandalize school buses and spray-paint anti-Semitic slogans and swastikas around Hillel Community Day School last year. . . . Steven Rubin, the school's transportation director, directed repair business to his father, who owned Priority Car Care. The son also was accused of faking work for his father, including $79 oil changes billed at $4,000. David Michael Brown, a mechanic who once worked for Al Rubin, testified he acted as the middleman, paying the vandals $50. . . . Steven Rubin was found guilty of nine counts of theft, three counts of burglary, two counts of criminal mischief, and burglary conspiracy. Al Rubin was convicted of nine counts of theft. In this case, fellow Jews were the monetary victims of this "hate-crime" hoax but had the real perpetrators never been caught, who would have been blamed for these incidents? How many such "racist" incidents, which make their way into the frightening "hate crime" statistics that the Jewish lobby now requires our police agencies to compile, are in reality as-yet-unexposed hoaxes? * * * The San Jose Mercury News reports that two Baltimore Sun reporters paid $1,000 to slave owners in Sudan for two Sudanese brothers who had been abducted from their home six years ago and since then had worked as slaves in the fields. The reporters, after purchasing the pair, granted them their freedom. This recent item demonstrates the absurdity of the controlled media's anti-White guilt-mongering on the subject of slavery. The enslavement of one tribe of non-Whites by another tribe of non-Whites, or by their own tribesmen, is still taking place on the continent of Africa and elsewhere in the non-White world. Slavery in Sudan is notorious, and despite government denials, and more than one official banning, it still flourishes. It is also endemic in Mauritania, likewise on a massive, institutionalized scale. In these cases it is usually Islamic Berbers or Moors who hold Blacks in captivity, though some Blacks participate in the marketing of their own kinsmen. Blacks hold other Blacks as slaves in Niger, Nigeria, Senegal, Sierra Leone, Ethiopia, and Rwanda according to Michael Harris of Anti-Slavery International. Jews, along with European Whites, were prominent in the historic Atlantic slave trade. That trade lasted for about three hundred years, until it was abolished by White Europeans. But Blacks had been capturing and enslaving neighboring tribes since time immemorial, and had been supplying Arab slavers with their fellow Blacks for 1,000 years before the Europeans arrived -- and they are still doing it. Scholars estimate that over 14 million Blacks were transported to the slave bazaars of Arabia, a greater number than were shipped to North America. At those slave bazaars, by the way, Blacks were offered up for sale on the same blocks where White slaves were being sold. In fact some of the slave-trading Black kingdoms, notably the Ashanti, enslaved all foreigners they could get their hands on and traded them for Arab gold and trinkets. These captives sometimes even included Europeans shipwrecked off western Africa. Long before the arrival of the White man, Amerindians owned slaves. "Slave-catchers" were sent out after battles to round up the enemy wounded for a lifetime of slavery. In some tribes the slaves accounted for 15% of the population. Sometimes Indian "potlatch" ceremonies included the killing of large numbers of slaves just to show off the wealth of the slave owner. In Thailand, Sri Lanka, the Philippines, and other parts of the Third World, it is well known that parents sell their children, girls and boys, into slavery to sex club operators who use their young bodies to attract the shekels, yen, and dollars of "sex tourists," foreign and domestic, with various types of perversion. Some of these children are as young as six years old. Many are sent to other countries, and slave merchants report that they can get five or six times the price for a child under sixteen as for an adult slave. This differential reflects the high demand for young sex slaves to satisfy the unnatural urges of perverts. Anti-Slavery International estimates that 55 million children between the ages of 4 and 14 are enslaved in India. Some work in brothels where they may endure dozens of sexual violations daily. Some work 18 hour per day, seven day per week in textile, fireworks, or other manufacturing sweatshops. These child slaves are often burned, branded with red-hot irons, starved, whipped, chained, raped, and kept locked in cupboards for days. In the Oaxaca Mountains of Mexico, women often sell their children and ask few questions about what will become of them. The going rate is from under $10,000 to about $20,000, depending on the child's complexion and whether the purchaser is a Mexican or a rich Westerner. The highest prices are fetched by children whose fathers are White men and who inherit their fathers' coloration. These are used to supply the huge adoption market in Europe and America, where abortion has literally thrown a generation of White children into the trash, forcing would-be adoptive parents to look elsewhere. A White man traveling in rural Mexico can often have his choice of young Indians or mestizas to sleep with -- so anxious are they to give birth to a child of "high value." The "adoptees" are the lucky ones. Not so lucky are those sold into lifelong slavery to rich Mexicans, who may treat them as they will. Unluckier still are those sold to pedophiles and pimps. In this short time I have just barely sketched the outlines of slavery as it existed and still exists, and I haven't even mentioned the historic enslavement of Whites or the existence of White slavery in modern Israel, which I wrote about several months ago in this newsletter. Suffice it to say: Slavery has been a factor in virtually all human societies since the dawn of history. It has not been a phenomenon peculiar to White societies, and in a sense quite the opposite is true. It was White people who first abolished the institution of slavery, since many rightly came to view it not only as pernicious to the well-being of the slave, but also degrading to the master, inimical to the interests of the White laborer, and destructive of the racial integrity of the nation. It was White people who first introduced the concepts of self-government and individual freedom and responsibility into the world. The Black writer Orlando Patterson just about said it all on this subject when he stated: "There was no word for `freedom' in most non-Western languages before contact with Western peoples." * * * Let's review a few news items that have crossed the wires recently: In Baltimore, Maryland, an outfit called Healthy Start Men's Services, which undoubtedly is funded by your tax money and mine, purports to have as its purpose teaching inner city Black men how to be good fathers. According to a report in the San Jose Mercury News, they describe as a "typical case" a 44-year-old Baltimore man who, during those periods when he was not incarcerated, fathered eight children by five different women and who candidly admits he never took fatherhood seriously. If this is their typical case, I would shudder to think about the bad ones. * * * LAGOS, NIGERIA -- Newspapers report that over sixty people became sick after drinking Sun Light dishwashing detergent. The labels were clearly marked "detergent" but did show a picture of a lemon and the words "real lemon juice." Instances similar to this also were reported, several years ago, in large, heavily Black metropolitan areas in the United States when detergent samples were delivered via the mails. * * * And, on a much more serious note: LIBERIA -- Sensi Momoh is a Liberian living in a village to the northwest of the capital, Monrovia. A civil war has been raging in Liberia, and a few weeks ago soldiers from one of the factions arrived in the village. Did they arrive to establish control and enlist the support of the villagers. No. Garnering support was the farthest thing from their minds. In fact, when they arrived -- unopposed -- in town the first things they did were fire their guns at random and ransack the huts. But that was far, very far, from the worst of it. Listen to Sensi Momoh's own words: They killed my brother. They opened up his body and took the heart out. They put it in a big pan and cooked it in palm butter. Then they ate it. Was Sensi Momoh's brother a member of an opposing faction in the civil war? No. The driving force behind this savagery is not politics, and this was not an isolated case. The driving force is an ancient African belief system that posits that by eating certain human body parts the cannibal may gain in power and strength. Many of the refugees from the war, now in camps outside Monrovia and accessible to the few Western journalists still remaining, described similar acts of cannibalism, which are believed to confer supernatural powers upon the bloody feasters. A woman related how she had seen young soldiers of Alhaji GV Kromah's "United Liberation Movement" cut out the heart and testicles of five young boys and eat them. While this was taking place Kromah himself sat as a member of the Council of State in Monrovia, put there by Western peacemakers trying to reform Liberia's bloody ways. Liberia may be an extreme example, but parallels in Rwanda, Kenya, Rhodesia, Angola, Katanga, and pre-colonial Africa abound. Absolute autocracy is the only way that African societies have been able to maintain a measure of order and peace. The slightest vacuum of authority results in chaos. It is also interesting to note that across Central Africa the eating of ape meat is commonplace. The Africans indulging in this practice believe that consuming the ape will endow them with the strength and cunning of the beast. This is clearly a variant on the beliefs of the cannibals, and may be a relict of cannibalistic practices which have been at least partially suppressed. It is hard to imagine that the similarity to cannibalism is lost on the participants. The vice president of the Wildlife Conservation Society, John Robinson, is worried that the practice of killing and eating apes is so prevalent that extinction is a real possibility. He stated, "Except in locales where the hunting is light, the exploitation of most species is not sustainable." The World Society for the Protection of Animals launched a large ad campaign beginning in 1990 to protect these animals and discourage the killing and eating of them at ritual feasts. The result was no change in the African's beliefs or eating habits, but there were charges of "cultural insensitivity" from the more dedicated equalitarians. Foolish indeed are those who think that Western money or "ideals" will have any lasting effect on the African manner of political succession or spiritual beliefs. And even more foolish are those who think that we can become one genetically with the African without becoming like him intellectually, morally, spiritually, and politically as well. * * * WASHINGTON, DC -- The most recent crime statistics, as you may have heard trumpeted in the media, indicate small decreases in violent crime over the last few years. Despite this, of course, crime is tremendously greater today than it was before the Third World invasion of America and the so-called "civil rights" revolution. And I have a healthy skepticism about these reports of decreasing crime, and I'll tell you why after we review some of the statistics: Overall crime has diminished slightly, but some crime levels have exploded. Currently there is one violent crime every 17 seconds; one property crime every 3 seconds; one murder every 23 minutes; one forcible rape every 5 minutes; one robbery every 51 seconds; one aggravated assault every 28 seconds; one burglary every 12 seconds; one larceny every 4 seconds; and one motor vehicle theft every 20 seconds. In the next thirty minutes six more women will be raped. According to the Department of Justice: In 1960 there were 160 violent crimes for every 100,000 Americans. In 1994 there were 715 violent crimes for every 100,000 Americans. They also say that since 1990 violent and property crime have declined by respectively by 2.2 and 8.5 percent. Now those are fascinating figures; but I think that crime in non-White areas is vastly understated in the statistics for several reasons. In some of these areas the crime situation is so bad, crimes are so omnipresent and so routine, that only a fraction are reported. Secondly, of those reported some are "lost in the shuffle" of paperwork because of an inefficient and/or vastly understaffed and overworked police force who must make the time to deal with "priority situations" and let the rest slide. Even many of the reported and recorded crimes are not really investigated, and never show up in arrest or conviction statistics. Remember that these conditions exist mainly in heavily non-White areas, so the huge difference between Whites and non-Whites in their propensity for crime is probably considerably understated. I worked for many years in the occupied Washington, DC, area. My work took me often into the areas where the tour buses (and sometimes even the U.S. Mail) won't go. I have personal knowledge of what such urban hells are like. * * * LOS ANGELES, CALIFORIA -- Those of you who are skeptical of that New Age therapy, "Past Life Regression," will probably not be surprised at the innovation of psychiatrist Adrian Finkelstein, which he calls "Future Life Progression." No slouch, Finkelstein does not merely claim to see your future incarnations but claims he can "reconstruct" your future lives so as to ensure that you'll come back as someone rich and famous. Such a service would undoubtedly be worth millions of dollars, but so full of altruism is Dr. Finkelstein that he only charges the suckers, uh, . . . I mean clients, two hundred dollars per hour. * * * The Israeli newspaper Haaretz published an article by Jewish columnist Ari Shavit in which Jewish control of the United States was frankly admitted. The really strange thing is that this column was reprinted on May 27 by the New York Times, and except for courageous commentator Joseph Sobran Americans are averting their eyes from the forbidden and embarrassing truth. Shavit is not pleased by the cold-blooded killing committed by his fellow Israelis in Lebanon. He states in the article: We killed them out of a certain naive hubris. Believing with absolute certitude that now, with the White House, the Senate, and much of the American media in our hands, the lives of others do not count as much as our own. . . . It is just as I wrote several months ago -- some Jews now believe that they can get away with anything. Non-Jewish lives count for nothing. Do whatever you want, and our spin doctors in the media will keep the American cattle from lowing. Kill at will, and the President and his appointees and the Congress will smile and hand you even more billions of the U.S. taxpayers' money. Remember, "the White House, the Senate, and much of the American media are in our hands." Now if I stated such a thing, or if any White American stated that the government and the media in this country were "in Jewish hands," we'd be talking "hate crimes" and "bigotry" and that most terrible crime of all, "anti-Semitism." Let us thank Ari Shavit for clearing the air and speaking the truth, and forever making it impossible to deny exactly who is responsible for America's decline to the status of an occupied nation. ~ For more information or to find out how you can join the leading patriotic organization in the world today, visit the National Alliance web site and read "What is the National Alliance" at http://www.natvan.com/WHAT/WHATDIR.HTML.

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Ann:On the fly disk encryption for Windows NT
by softwinter＠csts.co.il 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Shade - First software package to provide on the fly disk encryption for Windows NT Shade allows you to create encrypted disk device inside a file. Such a device can then be formatted using any file system (like NTFS or FAT) and used as a regular disk. The only difference is that Shade will encrypt the data on every write operation and decrypt it on every read operation. To download go to: http://softwinter.bitbucket.co.il/shade.html Soft Winter Corporation, softwinter(a)csts.co.il

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Re: International Government Regulation, Banking, Encryption
by dlv＠bwalk.dm.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Path: perun!news2.panix.com!news.panix.com!panix!arclight.uoregon.edu!news-m01.ny.us.ibm.net!ibm.net!news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net!not-for-mail From: Simon Wild <siwild(a)ibm.net> Newsgroups: alt.security Subject: International Government Regulation, Banking, Encryption Message-ID: <3328C3FE.6316(a)ibm.net> Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 11:20:30 +0800 Reply-To: siwild(a)ibm.net Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: slip202-135-10-84.hk.hk.ibm.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I hope that someone can help me in my quest to gather information on current/future Government Regulation/Legislation around the world that attempts to enforce encryption over the WAN for banks. Link Level or Application Level ? Acceptable key length ? Standards ? etc... Simon

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File Posting Limitations
by DataETRsch＠aol.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I'm wondering if there is a limit on the size of a file that can be tagged to a message posted to the cypherpunks mailing list. Jeremy Yu-Ramos DataET Research

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Re: Thoughtcrime (Re: My War) (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi, Forwarded message: > Date: Mon, 09 Jun 1997 18:35:34 -0700 > From: Lucky Green <shamrock(a)netcom.com> > Subject: Re: Thoughtcrime (Re: My War) > Let us assume that it is unethical to force children to participate in the > production of child pornography. (For the benefit of Kent and the more > ignorant people on this list, I will state that I firmly believe this to be > true, despite the fact that doing so should be irrelevant for the argument.) > Furthermore, let us assume that there are a number of individuals who enjoy > looking at hard core child pornography. > The question then is: does going after the distributors provide a benefit > to the children being (potentially) used for such pictures? > The answer is clearly no. Assuming, tacitly of course, that the supply of distributors is unlimited. If the resource is limited, as it actualy is, by getting the distribution node you in effect cut many people off. Thus forcing either total denial or else direct intervention, thus raising the chance of getting caught because more persons would be involved than would normaly be the case. This in effect clearly indicates a benefit to going after the distributors. This argument can be extended to the film-maker as well. Now some will say that it doesn't matter, somebody else will always pop up. The problem with this is that we have a limited population and there are only a statistical percentage going to be interested in the activity. This implies that there is some set of persons who will not participate. The trick is to get the non-participants to be the larger of the two. > By limiting the distribution of an individual > picture, you increase the total number of pictures required to satisfy > market demand. That means more children will be required to meet demand. By extension then full and complete public distribution would minimize it completely. So, you are seriously stating that we should put such pictures on the daily television, say during childrens hour? Now if we follow this further we are left with the image of our government hiring children to pose for said images because the supply of 'actual' images had diminished. That is truly a case of the pot calling the kettle black. Plus the sicko's get free, danger free, thrills at the public expence. Wooo, just what I want my tax dollars spent on. We are clearly dealing with a cusp-shaped function here. The implication being that some form of regulation is beneficial if we want to actualy reduce child abuse. > Thus, by going after the distributors, Se7en causes more children to be > violated by child pornographers. Or just possibly making the supply even more scarce because fewer and fewer are willing to take the chance of making a few bucks. > The only question that remains is: how can he live with this? > > Logic != base emotions, Ahmen brother! Otherwise, feldercarb. _______________________________________________________________________ | | | Moderation in all things, including moderation. | | | | -I wish I could remember- | | | | Jim Choate ravage(a)ssz.com | | The Armadillo Group www.ssz.com | | Austin, Texas, USA 512-451-7087 | |_______________________________________________________________________|

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Intro to Cyptosystems talk 6/23 7pm
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text Sender: net-thinkers(a)thumper.vmeng.com Reply-To: Vinnie Moscaritolo <vinnie(a)webstuff.apple.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Precedence: Bulk Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 14:32:34 -0700 From: Vinnie Moscaritolo <vinnie(a)webstuff.apple.com> To: Multiple recipients of <net-thinkers(a)thumper.vmeng.com> Subject: Intro to Cyptosystems talk 6/23 7pm ever wondered what the buzz about cryptography is all about.. You are all welcome to attend my "Introduction to Cyptosystems" tutorial at the BMUG South meeting.. It's open to the public. When: Monday, Jun 23 Time: 7:00 PM Where: Town Hall, Apple R&D Campus (blding 5) How long: 60 mins or so? --------------- Q: Why should you care about this stuff..? A: The internet is not a secure channel, It's easy intercept your email or files or even know what webpages youve been looking at. Cryptography is a tool that provides you privacy and protection from competitors and the news media scum. How much do you trust to the internet? Cryptography is also the best protector of the most cherished civil liberty: "the freedom of speech" Q: But I have no secrets to keep? A: Cryptography is not just about secrets, In addition to providing confidentiality, modern cryptography holds the building blocks necessary for successful electronic commerce. Authentication: The receiver of a message can ascertain it's origin; an intruder should not be able to masquerade as someone else. Integrity The receiver of a message can ensure that the data has not been modifed in transit; an intruder should not be able to substitute a false message for a legitimate one. Nonrepudiation A sender should not be able to falsely deny that he sent a message Q:Why should I care about electronic commerce. Apple hasnt done anything with it? A: That the point of this talk. E-Commerce will be a bigger market than anything we have ever been in before. Ask yourself, What is the biz proposition for anyone publishing on the NET and the answer will be net commerce. Q: what will you talk about What is Cryptography What it's used for How Cryptosystems work secret/public key encyption, digital signitures, modern crypto systems key management, e-commerce, Governement Issues This talk is NOT about Theoretical Mathematics Programming APIs Specific Products Who this talk is for Marketing Evangelist Engineer Anyone who needs to be Crypto competent There is a PDF of the slides at http://www.vmeng.com/vinnie/papers.html Vinnie Moscaritolo That Crypto Guy at Apple... http://www.vmeng.com/vinnie/ Fingerprint: 4FA3298150E404F2782501876EA2146A --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) Philodox e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' The e$ Home Page: http://www.shipwright.com/

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Re: Thoughtcrime (Re: My War) (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 20:22:44 -0700 > From: Tim May <tcmay(a)got.net> > Subject: Re: Thoughtcrime (Re: My War) > Your economics education must have some gaps. Look into "price elasticity." > Look also at the markets for illegal drugs: despite severe "taxation" (in > the form of price increases of some drugs, increased prison terms, etc.), > some markets have increased even as prices have increased. Clearly this whole discussion can be broken down into a cusp shaped gap. Too much regulation will cause the market worth to soar hence driving a large increase in at least attempted revenue spent on the commodity. Whereas a complete lack of regulation will saturate the market hence driving suppliers and distributors out of the market, leaving a few megaliths. Somewhere in the middle is a point where there is actualy a minimum of the events you are trying to eliminate. > With drugs, knocking out distributors has in many cases increased the > selling price of the drug, making it actually more lucrative for street > dealers to enter the market. Actualy what it does is increase the perception of danger and difficulty in the mind of the user and low-level dealer. The actual cycle is much more complicated than Tim is alluding to here. First there is the total supply of raw material, processing, and distribution. This sets a hard baseline limit on the total available drug. Then we have a certain fluctuating percentage of the population who use it. If we study the typical 'addict cycle' for different drugs and users we see a multiplicity of cycles and patterns of behaviour (eg most users who don't od kick the habit after a period of time). Then we have the perception of those users on the availability of the drug. There is also the percentage of tax that a society can support at a given standard of living to support police activity specificaly for drug control. The image that John and Jane Doe have on the impact of drugs on their lives. And on and on... > This is not at all clear. If the crackdown on child porn, or porn in > general, causes the street price to rise to $10 a picture, say, then many > folks not producing child porn now might be tempted to get into the market. Any many who had thought about it would decline because of the increased chance of getting caught. Specificaly how are you justifying the assumption that the net effect would be to increase the total available distributors? It seems to me that such an arguments natural extension would be that it would increase the net number of movie makers not distributors. Consider, the number of distributors is reduced by a very public campaign. Obviously two things come from this. First is the actual reduction of available material and the perception that distribution is a very dangerous game. So what does our enterprising pedophile do? He buys himself a camera and proceeds to make his own for him and his buddies. Hell, if he gets too worried he can start killing the kids so they can't squeel. _______________________________________________________________________ | | | Speak the truth, but leave immediately after. | | | | Slovenian Proverb | | | | Jim Choate ravage(a)ssz.com | | The Armadillo Group www.ssz.com | | Austin, Texas, USA 512-451-7087 | |_______________________________________________________________________|

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