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Re: PHILIP ZIMMERMAN ARRESTED [NOT!]
by kafka＠desert.hacktic.nl 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In article <m0pneHy-0001W9C@ideath>, you write the following: GR> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- GR> GR> GR> > The Zimmerman prank---I'm sure not funny for him---hardens my line GR> > further against anonymity online. At its best, as here, it is an GR> > unholy nuisance. GR> GR> Interesting. The recent thread on alt.security re someone who mentioned GR> thoughts of suicide on Usenet and was held for 48 hours' psychiatric GR> evaluation hardens my line in favor of anonymity online. GR> [stuff deleted] GR> GR> How will we stop folks from setting up accounts with names other than GR> their "real names" .. or from stealing others' accounts .. or from GR> forging mail? A $1000 PC can run Linux and SLIP and look to the rest of GR> the net like any other IP-connected site; how will we enforce our rules GR> on those systems? You can run slip on a $200 vintage IBM-AT. Patrick :) --- "In a Time/CNN poll of 1,000 Americans conducted last week by Yankelovich Partners, two-thirds said it was more important to protect the privacy of phone calls than to preserve the ability of police to conduct wiretaps. When informed about the Clipper Chip, 80% said they opposed it." - Philip Elmer-Dewitt, "Who Should Keep the Keys", TIME, Mar. 4 1994 == To get PGP, FTP /pub/unix/security/crypt/pgp23A.zip from ftp.funet.fi ==

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remailer fyi...
by Evil Pete 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

------- Forwarded Message Return-Path: geek(a)imageek.york.cuny.edu Return-Path: <geek(a)imageek.york.cuny.edu> Received: from imageek.york.cuny.edu by merde.dis.org (8.6.8.1/MERDE-940323) id TAA26402; Tue, 5 Apr 1994 19:51:09 -0700 Received: by imageek.york.cuny.edu (931110.SGI/931108.SGI.evr1) for remailer(a)utter.dis.org id AA15418; Tue, 5 Apr 94 22:58:31 -0400 From: geek(a)imageek.york.cuny.edu (Erik VanRiper) Message-Id: <9404060258.AA15418(a)imageek.york.cuny.edu> Subject: entropy.linet.org To: root(a)dis.org, remailer(a)dis.org Date: Tue, 5 Apr 1994 22:58:21 -0500 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 579 I am the MX and the site admin for linet.org. You have a "user" remailer(a)utter.dis.org that is sending PGP messages to entropy.linet.org!remailer Can you please stop? entropy.linet.org has not polled for almost 2 months, and I have not been able to contact him. I assume that he is down for good. Thanks! - -- geek(a)imageek.york.cuny.edu Erik VanRiper (718) 262-2667 Systems Administrator Janitor Photon Counter Chemistry Department & MBRS York College, City University of New York ------- End of Forwarded Message

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How many people killed by there own governments (Was: Re: a retort + a comment + a question = [RANT])
by Joseph M. Reagle Jr. 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>With regard to b), governments--primarily through the use of >their militaries--have killed, by some counts 170,000,000, men, >women and children in this century alone. Hardly the guardians >of freedom, in my opinion. Do you have a breakdown of that number? I'm working on one of my thought experiments and am looking for the appropriate stats: o THUGS V. GOVS (during times of "modern" govts. 1800+) Deaths by Govts. on "own people" US Civil War x M US Native Americans Hitler: Jews 6 M Hitler: Others 6 M Stalin: 30 M China: Cult Rev x M France: Rev x M Deaths by Thugs Murders in whole world ^^^ See to be valid, I think I'd have to including thugs all over the world (since I use genocides all over the world) but if I had the death/person US figure, I could multiply that by the whole world and have a upper bound (conservative) since US has a partcularly large amount of murderes. _______________________ Regards, In every man's heart there is a secret nerve that answers to the vibrations of beauty. -Christopher Morley Joseph Reagle http://rpcp.mit.edu/~reagle/home.html reagle(a)mit.edu E0 D5 B2 05 B6 12 DA 65 BE 4D E3 C1 6A 66 25 4E

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Need Remailer list
by fhalper＠pilot.njin.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi, Could someone send me a list of Remailers or recommend one which they think is the most reliable? Much thanks, Reuben Halper Montclair High -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.3 mQCPAi16KosAAAEEAMUwRni4a9+GbuAhHDLcBWK60hCJUYxhr2hYokpELAhx0ejp 2fq61Tu9Hjn051CN8Xy5nu6sv2ODfG/t59l4DJSb5pirQaII3zaX0rMX0ydwGDoW YakL4ow1lNY+d/k14KpIuUW404+fNuNhIGSkdVLQIfbOgh0preK7/P44AKvdABEB AAG0JlJldWJlbiBIYWxwZXIgPGZoYWxwZXJAcGlsb3Qubmppbi5uZXQ+iQCVAgUQ LXorceK7/P44AKvdAQEUxwQAoffTibRlwE5tNQVGvrulh1OQgXNhTRec9vUaUwPy U64FIZ+KnmdfYgiJYXtcItA90EB9MDexazKeqJzMOPShVNOfyiwy2yUlnQs425f8 DxBvM//zuvj6s4/mXDTPUZtG9PP0HVaEGTJY15JdfRqtj/w+HHnsHlgCnj0NnIhX TW8= =D9UX -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----

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Re:
by jamiel＠sybase.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 11:26 AM 04/06/94 -0400, montgo(a)nws.globe.com wrote: >the project, hoping to hear why they did, what fun if any it was, and what's >it >like when they tell you to shut down...sense of loss? Whatever Sound excited to be doing the story. ;)

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Re: Why is cryptoanarchy irreversible?
by Ted Cabeen 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 02:38 PM 11/7/96 -0800, you wrote: >>Jeremiah A Blatz wrote: >>ph(a)netcom.com (Peter Hendrickson) writes: >> Well, once I've got my strong crypto and electronic commerce, and 20 >> or so virtual identities to do things for me, and the gub'ment can't >> tell what money I'm making and spending, so they can't tax me. So if >> they can't tax me, and they can't tax lots of folks, then they can't >> pay their jack-booted thugs. So the goverment becomes irrelevant. It >> can't support a huge police state infrastructure, and certainly can't >> but mega-crays to break my crypto, so how're they going to retain >> control? >> When we say anarchy, we mean anarchy. > >This only works if there are large numbers of people who think it is >a good idea. Otherwise, the resources of the Federal Government >may be directed quite effectively against a small number of people. > >If you can get a life prison term for your strong crypto you may >hesitate to use it. If not, then you may get to be an example >for everybody else. That's why we have to develop stealth PGP and good stego so that the government doesn't even know that you're using the strong crypto that has been outlawed. If they can't prove that there's actually a message in the picture of the catsgills you just downloaded off of alt.binaries.pictures.nature, you can't get a life sentence in jail. -- ______________________________________________________________________________ Ted Cabeen http://shadowland.rh.uchicago.edu cabeen(a)netcom.com Check Website or finger for PGP Public Key secabeen(a)midway.uchicago.edu "I have taken all knowledge to be my province." -F. Bacon cococabeen(a)aol.com "Human kind cannot bear very much reality."-T.S.Eliot 73126.626(a)compuserve.com

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nsa digital cash?
by tmp＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

ok, so the nsa looked at commercial cryptography and said, `we need to control it'. and out pops clipper (quite an ugly baby, eh?) this makes me wonder. i bet that they see that announcement by visa for `digital cash' and go crazy. they are already thinking of how to put clipper into a nationwide digital cash system, don't you think? this brings up some serious issues. i doubt it will be long before there are some official government agencies developing the official u.s. digital cash system. in fact, it wouldn't surprise me if there are divisions in the nsa dedicated to doing it *this moment*. if there are any non-nsa agencies, too, the nsa will probably `pull an nist' and dominate their development. how? send in a few austere-looking spooks and speak in phrases like `imperative to national security' and `presidential directive' and *boom* the flimsy bureacrats are putty in their hands. so would anyone like to wager? i'd say that we have an official government group dedicated to digital cash standards in say, 4 years, with an official agency in say, 7 years. cpunks, are you going to be ready by then with your own cash? <g> btw, could someone tell me how the proposed visa cash system is different than debit cards (which exists today)?

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Vulis now on the "Don't Hire" list
by Timothy C. May 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I just wrote: And, indeed, it is not likely to be who suffers in the job market as a result of ^me Dr. Vulis' rants and raves and generally insane postings; my situation is secure, but I understand that Vulis has joined L. Dettweiler on the "List of Unemployables" passed around Silicon Valley. ... I meant to say "it is not likely to be _me_ who suffers in the job market..." Sorry for any confusion. --Tim "The government announcement is disastrous," said Jim Bidzos,.."We warned IBM that the National Security Agency would try to twist their technology." [NYT, 1996-10-02] We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, I know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^1,257,787-1 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Re: your mail
by Jim Sewell - KD4CKQ 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

<My computer told me that nobody(a)shell.portal.com said:> > > Since people are talking about new remailer features, can I suggest > another one - how about single-use (or limited use) anonymous return > addressess (ARAs) ? There are quite a few situations I can envisage where > I might want to give an anonymous return address to someone that could > only be used a limited number of times, or for a limited period of > time ... digi cash example and comments deleted. Another good use of this would be to maintain anonymity. If you used the same aa382043 address over and over again people will attach an identity to that and they will remember, "Oh yes, that's the guy that said he works for a computer company and hates spinach and likes Amy and ...." and soon (assuming a long term use of the account) you will have an identity and people will be biased one way or another toward you, even though they do not know who you are in real life. A one shot id will allow people to remain truly anon and not have to go to the trouble of switching accts and putting a burden on the remailers with 1000's of accounts.

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re: 1984 NSA T-Shirt Available!
by tim werner 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>From: jdblair(a)nextsrv.cas.muohio.EDU >Date: Thu, 7 Apr 1994 14:10:20 -0400 (EDT) > >I've come up with a design for the 1984 NSA t-shirt idea which I am >finally happy with. To check it out, fire up Mosaic and jump to: > >The back is the Cyber Rights Now! Logo from Wired Magazine. > I'd be interested in a T-shirt with the "safety in large numbers" design that was on the back of the cypherpunks criminal shirt, but I didn't get that shirt because of the "CRIMINAL!!" bit. It seemed a little too shrill. I was a criminal for years. Lately, I've been relatively law-abiding. How about putting the lightning bolts over the large numbers? tw

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