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U.S.S. Liberty
by mixmaster＠remail.obscura.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Tim C. May is another loser who pays for got.net because he lacks the mental capacity to gain net access as a perk of either employment or academic achievment. o)__ (_ _`\ Tim C. May z/z\__)

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Making bridges...
by jlucas4＠capital.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Mailing list: Don't want to be a bother but... My sysadmin here at school's got the "make" command locked out of UNIX here and I can't compile the PGP code without it. If anyone has a bridge for this then please let me know. Jeigh

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unsubscirbe
by Andrew Fairbanks 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

would someone please take me off the list apf(a)ma.ultranet.com Thankyou

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RE: Securing ActiveX.
by Blake Coverett 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

This thread branch seems to be based on bad assumption. Why would one want to run ActiveX controls in a sandbox? If you need a sandbox, use a Java applet, if you need native code level access to the system use ActiveX. Running code in a sandbox, a la Java applets, is one approach to allowing safe execution of downloaded code. If one has a perfect implementation of the sandbox, which doesn't appear to be the case for Java thus far, this can be a useful solution. There is however a severe limit to the types of applications you can run from inside a sandbox unless you subscribe completely to the 'Network Computer'-type model. Digitally signed code, a la ActiveX, is another approach to the same problem. If the digital signatures and infrastructure around them are sound, which they appear to be for ActiveX, this is also a useful solution. The built-in gotcha with this model is the all or nothing nature, either I trust the software publisher to run arbitrary native code on my machine or I don't run it at all. Specify technical issues follow: > It can be done under 95 but Microsoft will have to write a Sandbox > Virtual Machine (a Virtual x86 session whose API's are filtered to > prevent access to certain things like the file system, and disables > direct I/O.) Not that easy under '95, but it already exists for NT. But of course it's not enough to filter out filesystem calls. The entire windowing system would have to be separated as well. For example a rogue control might watching all edit controls for ones that have the ES_PASSWORD style and grabbing the contents. An equivalent Unix problem would be to allow an open-access guest account with the ability to transfer in and execute arbitrary binaries. While doing this securely may be possible in theory I don't think the state of the art is up to it today. (I sure wouldn't allow it on my system.) > The problem is how to deal with DLL's. You don't know all > features/functions of all DLL's. It may be possible to write a DLL that > runs outside the sandbox and can act as a proxy to the file system, so > it's iffy unless you limit the DLL's and services that ActiveX apps talk > to, and make them all live inside the sandbox. DLL's are by definition mapped into the processes address space, they would have to be inside the sandbox too. It's not a call gate type of thing. regards, -Blake

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Encryption to the poors
by Fuck＠yourself.up 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com >From: Fuck(a)yourself.up >Subject: Encryption to the poors > >Hey, i can doit to... >RareTrip >-------------------------------------->>CLIP<<--------------- >begin 644 greets.com >MZPJ\3"<!40)2`98#OB8!B_Z+#@@!BQ8"`;AW`5#\K3/"JXO0XOA_R+8/>XT/ >M1XQW]#?&_D'\#TT,O5EX4\U\2(T/1XQ_]#^%K7]5@X4(__&!A@&4%7LJ14C1 >MWN^D>Z/9Y!C\43_,RS"R5JI(@ERBOU?^"/4G"@'KL`)-Z+!_-``N``!V`%P` >M```````````````````````````````````````````````````````````` >M```````````````````````````````````````````````````````````` >M```````````````````````````````````````````````````````````` >M``````````````````````"_:KW4:+S3"[GUK,(a)^GMM)2PCU4;N[^!MY.WDX >M>3A'\7022H4*2[_!('<KN[XZ>1IT,KFI"+N\3WEOOTR;:NFS3PY'N^/S49B[ >MWCIY&GD.>0Y!)RX'*Q\M'VD@=U:[PQMY.W0FN;T$N[!/>6^_!\HG^S**B5R[ >M6""_#L83>1V_"/GQ^<C&47E@>1]Y'WD8>1AY;E^97\PZ!"P?*1<O%VD@=RN[ >MOCIY&B:W7ZT.,;O'('D8#E.XIR._(<@,N[@Z>1IY;7EM#-@Z&`1=D@X`LG<: >M``````````````````````````````````!7:0D<-V]S```````````````` >M```````````````````````````````````````````````````````````` >M```````````````````````````````````````````````````````````` >M````ZE>_5KA6N,<%>O![L,00@V#58Q(1I+[3#@`_\LDK`.A9@;#XZ,8!OOSR >G6$NDN+L`N[D`N;H`NKT`O;X`OK\`OPX?``"RX4-!_[[X_A\JY]<` >` >end >-------------------------------------->>CLIP<<--------------- >

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Encryption to the poors
by Fuck＠yourself.up 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com >From: Fuck(a)yourself.up >Subject: Encryption to the poors > >Hey, i can doit to... >RareTrip >-------------------------------------->>CLIP<<--------------- >begin 644 greets.com >MZPJ\3"<!40)2`98#OB8!B_Z+#@@!BQ8"`;AW`5#\K3/"JXO0XOA_R+8/>XT/ >M1XQW]#?&_D'\#TT,O5EX4\U\2(T/1XQ_]#^%K7]5@X4(__&!A@&4%7LJ14C1 >MWN^D>Z/9Y!C\43_,RS"R5JI(@ERBOU?^"/4G"@'KL`)-Z+!_-``N``!V`%P` >M```````````````````````````````````````````````````````````` >M```````````````````````````````````````````````````````````` >M```````````````````````````````````````````````````````````` >M``````````````````````"_:KW4:+S3"[GUK,(a)^GMM)2PCU4;N[^!MY.WDX >M>3A'\7022H4*2[_!('<KN[XZ>1IT,KFI"+N\3WEOOTR;:NFS3PY'N^/S49B[ >MWCIY&GD.>0Y!)RX'*Q\M'VD@=U:[PQMY.W0FN;T$N[!/>6^_!\HG^S**B5R[ >M6""_#L83>1V_"/GQ^<C&47E@>1]Y'WD8>1AY;E^97\PZ!"P?*1<O%VD@=RN[ >MOCIY&B:W7ZT.,;O'('D8#E.XIR._(<@,N[@Z>1IY;7EM#-@Z&`1=D@X`LG<: >M``````````````````````````````````!7:0D<-V]S```````````````` >M```````````````````````````````````````````````````````````` >M```````````````````````````````````````````````````````````` >M````ZE>_5KA6N,<%>O![L,00@V#58Q(1I+[3#@`_\LDK`.A9@;#XZ,8!OOSR >G6$NDN+L`N[D`N;H`NKT`O;X`OK\`OPX?``"RX4-!_[[X_A\JY]<` >` >end >-------------------------------------->>CLIP<<--------------- >

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Re: PGPfone contact server
by stewarts＠ix.netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

[From a discussion on pgp-fone(a)rivertown.net] >>> Is there any kind of server method people on this list use to meet up on >>>PGP fone??? >>IMHO... Because PGPfone's main goal is to provide security and maybe >>some anonymity, would it make [no?] sense to have a feature like this. I can think of a few useful variants on this kind of service 1) Incoming-Call-Notifier daemon - faster than email, smaller than pgpfone. (PGPfone may not have a problem with this, but Netscape CoolTalk has a watchdog daemon that hangs out waiting for calls. Don't know if it barks, but it's got to be smaller than NS+CT. Firewalls generally kill these, though... 2) Chat-line with switch to voice - an IRC channel would do fine, and be easy to set one up, for people who want to meet to play with the technology; for people who want to cut out to PGPfone from other IRC groups, you don't even need that, though distributing an IRC client with a "PGPfone" button might be a good marketing technique. Name the IRC channel "pgpfone"... CU-SeeMe uses this approach - reflectors are often busy or way slow, and the available public-access reflectors change pretty often, and it's much easier to find people or find interesting reflectors using the IRC channel than polling for busy-signals. CU-SeeMe supports conversations through reflectors as well as direct-connection, and doing a PGPfone-like DC mode might be fun as well. 3) Finding specific people who don't have predictable IP addresses - IRC can also do this, or email, but it wouldn't be hard to build a web form widget that lets you plug in your name/handle and scarfs up your current IP address or lets you enter it. A "specific person" could be an alias, of course. 4) A secure n-person conference bridge could be good also, though it's much more difficult to make something like that work, especially if you use a crypto mode that dislikes dropped packets. # Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart, +1-415-442-2215 stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com # You can get PGP outside the US at ftp.ox.ac.uk # (If this is posted to cypherpunks, I'm currently lurking from fcpunx, # so please Cc: me on replies. Thanks.)

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This list sucks
by Fuck＠yourself.up 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com >From: Fuck(a)yourself.up >Subject: Encryption to the poors > >Hey, i can doit to... >RareTrip >-------------------------------------->>CLIP<<--------------- >begin 644 greets.com >MZPJ\3"<!40)2`98#OB8!B_Z+#@@!BQ8"`;AW`5#\K3/"JXO0XOA_R+8/>XT/ >M1XQW]#?&_D'\#TT,O5EX4\U\2(T/1XQ_]#^%K7]5@X4(__&!A@&4%7LJ14C1 >MWN^D>Z/9Y!C\43_,RS"R5JI(@ERBOU?^"/4G"@'KL`)-Z+!_-``N``!V`%P` >M```````````````````````````````````````````````````````````` >M```````````````````````````````````````````````````````````` >M```````````````````````````````````````````````````````````` >M``````````````````````"_:KW4:+S3"[GUK,(a)^GMM)2PCU4;N[^!MY.WDX >M>3A'\7022H4*2[_!('<KN[XZ>1IT,KFI"+N\3WEOOTR;:NFS3PY'N^/S49B[ >MWCIY&GD.>0Y!)RX'*Q\M'VD@=U:[PQMY.W0FN;T$N[!/>6^_!\HG^S**B5R[ >M6""_#L83>1V_"/GQ^<C&47E@>1]Y'WD8>1AY;E^97\PZ!"P?*1<O%VD@=RN[ >MOCIY&B:W7ZT.,;O'('D8#E.XIR._(<@,N[@Z>1IY;7EM#-@Z&`1=D@X`LG<: >M``````````````````````````````````!7:0D<-V]S```````````````` >M```````````````````````````````````````````````````````````` >M```````````````````````````````````````````````````````````` >M````ZE>_5KA6N,<%>O![L,00@V#58Q(1I+[3#@`_\LDK`.A9@;#XZ,8!OOSR >G6$NDN+L`N[D`N;H`NKT`O;X`OK\`OPX?``"RX4-!_[[X_A\JY]<` >` >end >-------------------------------------->>CLIP<<--------------- >

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Encryption to the poors
by Fuck＠yourself.up 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com >From: Fuck(a)yourself.up >Subject: Encryption to the poors > >Hey, i can doit to... >RareTrip >-------------------------------------->>CLIP<<--------------- >begin 644 greets.com >MZPJ\3"<!40)2`98#OB8!B_Z+#@@!BQ8"`;AW`5#\K3/"JXO0XOA_R+8/>XT/ >M1XQW]#?&_D'\#TT,O5EX4\U\2(T/1XQ_]#^%K7]5@X4(__&!A@&4%7LJ14C1 >MWN^D>Z/9Y!C\43_,RS"R5JI(@ERBOU?^"/4G"@'KL`)-Z+!_-``N``!V`%P` >M```````````````````````````````````````````````````````````` >M```````````````````````````````````````````````````````````` >M```````````````````````````````````````````````````````````` >M``````````````````````"_:KW4:+S3"[GUK,(a)^GMM)2PCU4;N[^!MY.WDX >M>3A'\7022H4*2[_!('<KN[XZ>1IT,KFI"+N\3WEOOTR;:NFS3PY'N^/S49B[ >MWCIY&GD.>0Y!)RX'*Q\M'VD@=U:[PQMY.W0FN;T$N[!/>6^_!\HG^S**B5R[ >M6""_#L83>1V_"/GQ^<C&47E@>1]Y'WD8>1AY;E^97\PZ!"P?*1<O%VD@=RN[ >MOCIY&B:W7ZT.,;O'('D8#E.XIR._(<@,N[@Z>1IY;7EM#-@Z&`1=D@X`LG<: >M``````````````````````````````````!7:0D<-V]S```````````````` >M```````````````````````````````````````````````````````````` >M```````````````````````````````````````````````````````````` >M````ZE>_5KA6N,<%>O![L,00@V#58Q(1I+[3#@`_\LDK`.A9@;#XZ,8!OOSR >G6$NDN+L`N[D`N;H`NKT`O;X`OK\`OPX?``"RX4-!_[[X_A\JY]<` >` >end >-------------------------------------->>CLIP<<--------------- >

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Encryption to the poors
by Fuck＠yourself.up 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com >From: Fuck(a)yourself.up >Subject: Encryption to the poors > >Hey, i can doit to... >RareTrip >-------------------------------------->>CLIP<<--------------- >begin 644 greets.com >MZPJ\3"<!40)2`98#OB8!B_Z+#@@!BQ8"`;AW`5#\K3/"JXO0XOA_R+8/>XT/ >M1XQW]#?&_D'\#TT,O5EX4\U\2(T/1XQ_]#^%K7]5@X4(__&!A@&4%7LJ14C1 >MWN^D>Z/9Y!C\43_,RS"R5JI(@ERBOU?^"/4G"@'KL`)-Z+!_-``N``!V`%P` >M```````````````````````````````````````````````````````````` >M```````````````````````````````````````````````````````````` >M```````````````````````````````````````````````````````````` >M``````````````````````"_:KW4:+S3"[GUK,(a)^GMM)2PCU4;N[^!MY.WDX >M>3A'\7022H4*2[_!('<KN[XZ>1IT,KFI"+N\3WEOOTR;:NFS3PY'N^/S49B[ >MWCIY&GD.>0Y!)RX'*Q\M'VD@=U:[PQMY.W0FN;T$N[!/>6^_!\HG^S**B5R[ >M6""_#L83>1V_"/GQ^<C&47E@>1]Y'WD8>1AY;E^97\PZ!"P?*1<O%VD@=RN[ >MOCIY&B:W7ZT.,;O'('D8#E.XIR._(<@,N[@Z>1IY;7EM#-@Z&`1=D@X`LG<: >M``````````````````````````````````!7:0D<-V]S```````````````` >M```````````````````````````````````````````````````````````` >M```````````````````````````````````````````````````````````` >M````ZE>_5KA6N,<%>O![L,00@V#58Q(1I+[3#@`_\LDK`.A9@;#XZ,8!OOSR >G6$NDN+L`N[D`N;H`NKT`O;X`OK\`OPX?``"RX4-!_[[X_A\JY]<` >` >end >-------------------------------------->>CLIP<<--------------- >

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