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Re: Third World Man
by Robert A. Rosenberg 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 22:25 8/21/95, Timothy C. May wrote: >When a certain character in a television show referred to "Third World >mutants," he was also referring to "your basic brown types." (His words, >not mine. Ten credits to anyone who can identify the t.v. show and the >character.) Archie Bunker? All in the Family (I think is the show title).

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17 Dec '03

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free market services vs monopoly government
by Adam Back 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I wrote at the bottom of another post: > General rhetorical question: indeed why have governments at all? and Kent Crispin parried: : General rhetorical answer: Because people are the way they are. Kent you seem to harbor the belief that government monopoly is a good thing, or at least that government is somehow an unavoidable necessary evil. I doubt I'll convince you otherwise, but in case there are other people reading who still think governments the best way of doing anything, I'll try to explain why I think government monopoly is a bad thing. Are you opposed to free markets? Government holds a number of monopolies. These monopolies are not efficient. They result in resource wastage on a mind boggling scale. The USG has pretty much bankrupt your country, the US national debt being I understand at a level where US citizens collectively do not have the resources to pay it off. If a privately or publicly held company got to that stage the receivers would be sent in. The success that a country does enjoy is pretty much proportional to the degree of market freedom. Luckily for us our governments have left a bit of freedom in markets, or we would have food shortages, and rationing. In economies with extremely low amounts of market freedom, the readily observable inefficiency demonstrates my point. (eg Former Soviet Union communist economy). Governments tend to grow, and soak up larger tax percentages, and encroach into more aspects of life which were previously a question of free choice, or were previously purely market driven. The reason for this growth is due to the government as an entity unconciously promoting itself as an organism. A great huge cancerous growth which has us by the jugular. The reason governments as businesses can get away with their abysmal performance is because they have a near complete monopoly. A good start would be a choice in government, to generate some competition. So you can buy membership in a protection racket, hire the services of a private security firm, or buy insurance from an insurance group because of its benefits package, or go elsewhere if the offering sucks. You choose on an individual basis what package best suits you, and you choose the service providers who you consider as the best value for money. eg. I can go buy into Uncle Enzo's pizza delivery and protection racket because the protection is 5000% better value for money than the Feds deal. I can pick and choose the services I want to produce a mix which satisfies me. Double efficiency, people don't have services provided for them which they actively don't want, and I can buy services which the government attempts to prevent the market from providing, so my requirements are better met. As well as the increased efficiency obtained in provision of services which governments are currently holding monopolies on, the reduced taxation and regularatory burdens put on the economy would cause a boom. And your argument is? That people want government? Fine, let those sheeple that do want something even more oppresive and intrusive than the current government buy into whatever form of oppresive cult they want. Perhaps a sheltered perimeter gaurded enclave where all media is censored, there is capital punishment for spitting on the side walk, evil thoughts results in public flogging, etc, and where the taxation rate is 90% would suit them to a T. Great! We need some evolutionary pressures anyway. So which mix would you choose Kent? Or are you arguing that there are lots of stupid people, and that you are happy to let their ill-informed choices, and their willingness to go with the bankrupt corrupt status quo fuck your life up? Why should there be blanket decisions made and forced upon you as an individual. Free choice makes for much more efficiency in terms of economics, and in terms of individuals happiness. Here's a reading list for those interested in disbanding government and replacing it with services purchased on the free market: "Snow Crash", Neal Stephenson Snow Crash is a sci-fi novel giving a depiction depictions of life with choice in services, private law enforcement services competing with Uncle Enzo's pizza mafia. "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress", Heinlein The Moon is a Harsh Mistress is a sci-fi novel giving a depiction of a wild-west like legal system. There are no laws, excepting individual responsibility. "Machinery of Freedom" 2nd Ed, David Friedman Machinery of Freedom talks about free market methods to provide services that have traditionally been provided by government. "The Wealth of Nations", Adam Smith The Wealth of Nations is an interesting book despite being published in 1776. Didn't have his judgement clouded by this namby-pamby socialist/communist junk. Pure capitalism, examining why the free market is efficient. "The Road to Serfdom", Hayek Road to Serfdom explains in Hayeks view that socialism is a slippery slope leading to economic decline and communism. In context of Nazism after second world war. He makes the case that Socialism the root of much evil. Adam -- Have *you* exported RSA today? --> http://www.dcs.ex.ac.uk/~aba/rsa/ print pack"C*",split/\D+/,`echo "16iII*o\U@{$/=$z;[(pop,pop,unpack"H*",<> )]}\EsMsKsN0[lN*1lK[d2%Sa2/d0<X+d*lMLa^*lN%0]dsXx++lMlN/dsM0<J]dsJxp"|dc`

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Re: Entrust Technologies's Solo - free download
by Dr. Jai Maharaj 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 2:58 PM 7/31/97 -0400, Sandy Harris wrote: > Dr. Jai Maharaj <jai(a)mantra.com> wrote: > >|At 11:21 AM 7/31/97 -0400, Sandy Harris wrote: >|> Dr. Jai Maharaj <jai(a)mantra.com> writes: >|>|> ...where on this scale do you start to object to my actions: >|>|>1) I use a killfile to ignore certain messages. >|>|>2) I program my personal newsserver to discard certain messages. >|>|>3) A group of us, by consensus, program our common newsserver... >|>| >|>|Unanimous consent? >|>| >|>|>4) A system admin, with due notice to users, programs a >|>|>newserver..... >|>| >|>|What constitutes "due notice" in the present context? >|> >|>Postings in news.announce.newusers. >| >|That's ridiculous. One shopping for an ISP, without >|access to the Net, is not in a position to read a >|notice in a newsgroup. > >No, but any decent ISP (or corporate or institutional system > administrator) will . . . The faact that an ISP supports censorship takes away the "decent" qualification, thus invalidating the other premise and whatever else was built upon it. > . . . suggest reading that newsgroup in their > material for new users and/or set up new accounts so they > are automatically subscribed to it. & any sensible new user > will read & heed. That is unacceptable since the users would have already paid for the account by that time and signed a contract. Jai Maharaj jai(a)mantra.com Om Shanti

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Re: Entrust Technologies's Solo - free download
by Dr. Jai Maharaj 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 5:28 PM 7/30/97 -0400, Sandy Harris wrote: > . . . Perhaps more to the point, cancels conserve > resources on newservers. That is like saying "by decreasing the human population by mass murder, our resources are conserved." Censorship is not justified by stating that it causes the information to be reduced so as to lighten the load on a network. > ...where on this scale do you start to object to my actions: > 1) I use a killfile to ignore certain messages. > 2) I program my personal newsserver to discard certain messages. > 3) A group of us, by consensus, program our common newsserver... Unanimous consent? > 4) A system admin, with due notice to users, programs a > newserver..... What constitutes "due notice" in the present context? If an ISP were to advertise "Newsgroups censored through forgery", then that would be "due notice". > 5) A group of admins agree to jointly program their newsservers > so that some of them can cause all systems to discard messages. Given the proposed "due notice" above, ISPs with such administrators are not likely to attract many customers. Jai Maharaj jai(a)mantra.com Om Shanti

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Text files
by satan_is_a_hacker＠juno.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

ho was the one who wanted a list of my texts? I deleted the message accidentally

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Forbes article on Financial Cryptography is coming
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Coming soon to a newstand near you... I hear the article will include pictures of cypherpunks and FC97 attendees like Ian Goldberg (FC97 workshop leader), Adam Shostack (FC97 workshop instructor), Sameer Parekh, and Steve Schear. Not to mention actual financial cryptographers like David Chaum and Ron Rivest. :-). Cheers, Bob Hettinga --- begin forwarded text X-Sender: rah(a)mail.shipwright.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 18:12:03 -0400 To: e$(a)thumper.vmeng.com, dcsb(a)ai.mit.edu From: Robert Hettinga <rah(a)shipwright.com> Subject: Forbes article is coming. Sender: <e$(a)vmeng.com> Precedence: Bulk List-Software: LetterRip 2.0 by Fog City Software, Inc. List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:requests@vmeng.com?subject=unsubscribe%20e$> List-Subscribe: <mailto:requests@vmeng.com?subject=subscribe%20e$> I just got called by a fact checker from Forbes. She said that the article on financial cryptography that Josh McHugh is doing is one of two being considered for the cover of the next issue. Having some fun now, as Mr. Martin used to say... Cheers, Bob Hettinga ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) Philodox e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' The e$ Home Page: http://www.shipwright.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- Where people, networks and money come together: Consult Hyperion http://www.hyperion.co.uk info(a)hyperion.co.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------- Like e$? Help pay for it! See <http://www.shipwright.com/beg.html> Or, for e$/e$pam sponsorship, <mailto:rah@shipwright.com> --------------------------------------------------------------------- --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) Philodox e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' The e$ Home Page: http://www.shipwright.com/

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by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 07:26 PM 8/20/97 -0700, you wrote: >Slippery slopes are something to worry about, for sure. But librarians are experts in this. We put a lot of thought and care into "borderline cases", we agonize over Madonna's Sex and American Psycho. That's why the early filters were unacceptable to us. You may not like filters, but you have to admit, they have improved a great deal, offering much finer granularity and configurability than before, and improving all the time. ROFLMAO!!! > >Most would-be censors I've met aren't evil people, they're intentions are usually quite noble and sincere. Except they want to censor everyone based on their views, which is tyranny. That isn't noble. >True, many of them are wrong and misguided, but it accomplishes nothing to demonize people you disagree with, except to promote fear and misunderstanding. I don't misunderstand censors. They're Nazi bastards who enjoy making the internet to fit their evil views and intentions, not caring what the rest of free speechers on the net care.

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17 Dec '03

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BOY, was I ever surprised when I found my medium sized post office box crammed with orders! I will make more money this year than any ten years of my life before." Mary Riceland, Lansing, MI TIPS FOR SUCCESS Send for your four 4 REPORTS immediately so you will have them when the orders start coming in. When you receive a $5 order, you MUST send out the product/service to comply with US Postal and Lottery laws. Title 18 Sections 1302 and 1341 specifically state that: "A PRODUCT OR SERVICE MUST BE EXCHANGED FOR MONEY RECEIVED." WHILE YOU WAIT FOR THE REPORTS TO ARRIVE: 1. Name your new company. You can use your own name if you desire. 2. Get a post office box (preferred). 3. Edit the names and addresses on the program. You must remember, your name and address go next to REPORT #1 and the others all move down one, with the fourth one being bumped OFF the list. 4. Obtain as many email addresses as possible to send until you receive the information on mailing list companies in REPORT #3. 5. Decide on the number of programs you intend to send out. The more you send, and the quicker you send them, the more money you will make. 6. After mailing the programs, get ready to fill the orders. 7. Copy the four 4 REPORTS so you are able to sent them out as soon as you receive an order. IMPORTANT: ALWAYS PROVIDE SAME-DAY SERVICE ON ORDERS YOU RECEIVE! 8. Make certain the letter and reports are neat and legible. YOUR GUARANTEE The check point which GUARANTEES your success is simply this: you must receive 15 to 20 orders for REPORT #1. This is a must!!! If you don't within two weeks, email out more programs until you do. Then a couple of weeks later you should receive at least 100 orders for REPORT #2, if you don't, send out more programs until you do. Once you have received 100 or more orders for REPORT #2, (take a deep breath) you can sit back and relax, because YOU ARE GOING TO MAKE AT LEAST $50,000. Mathematically it is a proven guarantee. Of those who have participated in the program and reached the above GUARANTEES-ALL have reached their $50,000 goal. Also, remember, every time your name is moved down the list you are in front of a different REPORT, so you can keep track of your program by knowing what people are ordering from you. IT'S THAT EASY, REALLY, IT IS!!! REMEMBER: "HE WHO DARES NOTHING, NEED NOT HOPE FOR ANYTHING." "INVEST A LITTLE TIME, ENERGY AND MONEY NOW OR SEARCH FOR IT FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE."

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by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

9-3-95. NYPaper: "500,000 Clients, No Branches. Phone Banking Is Catching On." Bankers from around the world are making the pilgrimage to Leeds in the north of England for a miracle cure at their stagnant industry's equivalent of a Lourdes. Here is First Direct, a bank with half a million customers and not a single branch. It is the world's leading telephone-only bank; it is the fastest-growing bank in Britain. On the walls are sports stadium scoreboards, constantly flashing the number of customers on hold and how long they have been waiting. While a banker serves a customer, his computer screen is displaying all sorts of personal information about her. "No Adverse Risk" flashes at the top, indicating that the bank would be glad to loan her money. Also displayed is the fact that she is a 30-year-old single renter with a job as a project manager, along with a list of all the bank's prior contacts with her. PEE_per

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