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gore
by Black Unicorn 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I think there was some misquoting The message should have read: > "When I saw [the latest public opinion results] I said 'Wow. >That is not right,' and [after consulting the Public Relations people] I >raised hell about that," Gore said in an interview Thursday. -uni- (Dark)

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REPLY TO COMMENT
by THOMAS E. KADISH--WILSHIRE II 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> > > From: IN%"catalyst-remailer(a)netcom.com" 14-MAR-1994 22:55:35.29 > > To: IN%"cypherpunks(a)toad.com" > > CC: > > Subj: RE: NY UNIX Clipper Article >> > > > "When I saw that I said 'Wow. That is not right,' and I raised > > > hell about that," Gore said in an interview Thursday. > > > > > > I'm glad the VP jumped on this right away. 8-| > > > THRILLED THAT A POLITICIAN EXISTS WHO GIVES A DAMN ABOUT THE CHECKS AND > BALANCES ASPECT OF OUR GOVERNMENTAL SYSTEM. AMAZING THAT NOBODY PICKED UP ON > THIS PROBLEM OF THE KEYS BOTH BEING HELD BY THE SAME BRANCH OF GOVERNMENT. JUST > GOES TO SHOW THAT WHAT JEFFERSON SAID IS TRUE. " THE PRICE OF DEMOCRACY IS > ETERNAL VIGILANCE". > > --Boundary (ID R6RsVVF/HwUKVqN+x2vqcg)--

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by m＠BlueRose.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

"THOMAS E. KADISH--WILSHIRE II" <TKADISH1(a)vaxc.hofstra.edu> writes: > JUST GOES TO SHOW THAT WHAT JEFFERSON SAID IS TRUE. " THE PRICE OF > DEMOCRACY IS ETERNAL VIGILANCE". The original quote is: "The condition upon which God hath given liberty to man is eternal vigilance." John Philpot Curran (1750-1817) M Carling

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Re: NY UNIX Clipper Article
by catalyst-remailer＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> "When I saw that I said 'Wow. That is not right,' and I raised > hell about that," Gore said in an interview Thursday. I'm glad the VP jumped on this right away. 8-|

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Good article on NII
by fnerd＠smds.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The April '94 "Special All-Fabio" issue of Software Development magazine has a good article on the NII: "Highway to Hell?" by Alex Lane. (He means as in "paved with good intentions.") Analysis of where it's likely to lead given wording of various agenda documents and bills, statements of proponents, and the history of various analogous developments (Interstates, space shuttles, telephones, the census, the War on Poverty, ARPANET-->NREN-->NII...) -fnerd quote me - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - blue pill, Pharm. a pill of blue mass, used as an alterative... alterative, adj. tending to alter... -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.3a aKxB8nktcBAeQHabQP/d7yhWgpGZBIoIqII8cY9nG55HYHgvt3niQCVAgUBLMs3K ui6XaCZmKH68fOWYYySKAzPkXyfYKnOlzsIjp2tPEot1Q5A3/n54PBKrUDN9tHVz 3Ch466q9EKUuDulTU6OLsilzmRvQJn0EJhzd4pht6hSnC1R3seYNhUYhoJViCcCG sRjLQs4iVVM= =9wqs -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: spyproofing your house/work building
by System Operator 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Don Melvin <anagld!access.digex.net!storm> writes: > > Have I forgotten anything? > > > Guard physical access so a mic/camera (1/8") can't be placed after > construction. > > Drapes so the lip readers can't see you. Make sure the drapes block IR. There are instances of even local police forces flooding the front of a house with IR light, and viewing the activities inside with IR viewers -- all of this through closed drapes. -- system(a)decode.UUCP (System Operator) Cryptography, Security, Privacy BBS +1 410 730 6734 Data/FAX

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Re: (fwd) Re: What's so bad about a Surveillance State?
by koontzd＠lrcs.loral.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Sort of remeniscent of the push by the Bay Area Air Quality Management District, they had the bright idea to tax people for the priveledge of parking at work (not just in SF, but everywhere). Back of the envelope calculations give a number of something like a quarter of a million "block monitorys" to strictly enforce the idea. The single biggest thing stopping facism from becoming rampant in this country is manpower. Be very wary of facism-labor-saving devices.

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Re: anarchy and sobatage! cryptos beware...
by lefty＠apple.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

"Sobatage"? What's that, the destruction of machinery through the use of Japanese buckwheat noodles? -- Lefty (lefty(a)apple.com) C:.M:.C:., D:.O:.D:.

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Re: digital cash
by ph＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

hfinney(a)shell.portal.com writes: > Perhaps a digital cash system like Magic Money could serve as the > basis for digital promissory notes. You send me money, I'll send > you a certain amount of digital cash. That particular denomination > and issue date (determined by the exponent) will be redeemable in > one year for X+delta dollars. You can hold the note and redeem it > in a year, collecting the interest, or you can pass it on or even > sell it. Issuers of scrip ("a certificate of a right to receive payment later in the form of cash or stock") will get the attention of Treasury if it is not convertible (by the issuer) to a fixed number of dollars. An easy way for the government to make scrip less useful is to refuse to enforce the contract. It would be interesting to know if there are also punishments and if they can be extended to digital scrip. The laws regarding money can get pretty strange. For instance, it is illegal for a U.S. citizen to hold options in a foreign currency market. The only plausible reason for this is to prevent U.S. citizens from buying insurance against government irresponsiblity. Option rights in a domestic options market are easily abrogated. Mark Hittinger writes: > The global monetary system is notbased on immutable metals prices. > You cannot guarantee that gold will track the inflation of the dollar, > which itself can only be measured relative to other currencies. Even > during times of widespread inflation, some things don't track Commodities have, historically, been more stable than currencies. Over decades they become cheaper as improved means of discovery or production are found, but currencies generally devalue more quickly and unpredictably. I don't have the numbers right here, but I believe even gold is more stable than the dollar. Gold has to be found and dug out of the ground. Currencies are devalued at the whim of the government. A basket of commodities would probably be more stable than government currencies. Unfortunately, governments don't seem to like it when you try to use things other than official measures of value. It would be nice to know exactly what kinds of laws govern the establishment of a digital "bank" which doesn't lend money and which doesn't pay interest. If the only service provided is to make payments, does banking law apply? For instance, U.S. banks are required by law to turn over transactions on an account if an intelligence service wants to see them. The employee of the bank approached is not allowed to indicate in any way that this has happened and the penalties for violation are severe. Would this law apply to a digital transactions bank? Peter

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Re: CIA@funet.fi ?
by Black Unicorn 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Graham Toal cypherpunk regular said: The trouble with the cypherpunk remailers is there isn't a single one of them I'd trust. The overwhelming credo of the sort of person I've met in this area is that they want extreme absolute privacy for *themselves* but sneak and spy on everything they possibly can about everyone else. (Oops - that sounds bad - I don't specifically mean the people who run cypherpunk remailers; I mean people who're obsessive about secrecy in general and hackers in particular. Secretive hackers being the worst.) <- It's interesting to me how double standardized (is that a phrase in english?) the concept of privacy is in general. One seems to have to do some snooping to make sure one's privacy and security is assured. In doing so one is invading the privacy of others. I have met very few privacy purists. Most tend to feel that privacy is not a general responsibility of the collective to assure. The collective in this sense is either the government, or the people as a whole. Phrased another way, most of the privacy advocates I have met and discussed with seem to feel that what is not protected is fair game. They lay the burden on the individual to secure his/her own privacy and scowl at those who are too lazy to do it. (note that this message isn't signed because I'm too lazy to do it) In addition they seem to snarl at any attempts to collectivze privacy and make it a function of government to enforce privacy on the ground that there exists a conflict of interest. Unfortunately, while there exist SOME tools for the individual today to provide for his or her own privacy, (stong encryption) many of the other tools are provided by smaller collectives. (the remailers for example) Indeed it is a collective of perhaps 2 (the operator of the mailer and the system admin if seperate) but a collective none the less and one which the user must rely on. Are remailers then a departure from the "secure your own privacy" doctrine? It stands to reason that all remailers should provide for double blind double encrypted remailing. (Provided you subscribe to the theory, ) Just as a side note, I tend to think that laying the burden on the individual is the best approach. -uni- (Dark)

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