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Domain registration
by David Mazieres 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Well, several people have told me it is possible to get response times of 8 hours on domain registration requests. The last MODIFY request I sent in was in mid January. They sent back an autoreply telling me they were still working on modify requests from the third week in december, and then didn't change my domain until last week. (The inaddr.arpa modify request was considerably faster, however.) Maybe they just don't like me, or maybe they have very very recently automated the process. At any rate, I stand corrected. David

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American Banker article on First Virtual
by Thomas C. Allard 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

PGP message

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Re: Clinton's fake apologies (fwd)
by User of DOOM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Anonymous wrote: > On 20 Sep 1998, [I] wrote: [about lieing] > > I agree it's bad. I agree it undermines the justice system a little bit. > > But, ... impeachment? > > Yes. > > We have some jokester sitting in Washington with full authority over our > military forces. The people can't believe a word he says. Congress can't > believe a word he says. He rules by executive order. He ignores the > Constitution. > > There is argument over whether he ordered military strikes to divert > attention from his scandal and whether he sold the country out to the Red > Chinese. Now people like myself are thinking - totally justified - that > this guy will do absolutely anything to hold on to his presidency. > > I don't feel particularly secure with some guy who I can't trust running > the military and with his finger on the nuclear button. That itself is a > violation of national security. Understandable sentiments. The position I can't understand is Jim's, of being totally outraged by the lieing under oath regardless of anything else. [although I respect his right to that opinion]. Unfortunately, you now wear the mantle of wanting to put away Bill "Al Capone" Klinton not for tax evasion, but for "fibbing". -- an anonymous aol32 user.

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Unscribe
by Ewout Meij 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

unscribe cypherpunks(a)toad.com unscribe emeij(a)pi.net There is a theory which states that if ever anyone discovers exactly what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable. There is another which states that this has already happened on 02/01/96

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The Boys From Brazil - cloning Nazi servers
by mpd＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

ses(a)tipper.oit.unc.edu (Simon Spero) writes: > There's a fine line between defending someones freedom of > speech, and actively promoting that speech. The reason these > mirrors have been set up is to counter the restriction on > access to the original site that has been put in place by > Deutche Telecom; however, in addition to defeating this > restriction, this approach also makes the material more > widely available than it was previously, which could be seen > as crossing the line between defence of free speech, and > active promotion. I think you have to look at the balance between two things. First, there is the effect of making the material more widely available and publicized than it was prior to the attempted censorship. This effect is definitely real. Indeed, prior to a few days ago, I wouldn't have known a Zundelsite from a hole in the ground. Second, however, is the unprecedented opportunity for people running mirrors to guarantee that large numbers of the public will encounter said material for the first time enveloped within their chosen "context wrapper." Now it is well known that the crafty art of propaganda rarely consists of deliberate falsehoods, like "yellow rain" or "spy dust". It mostly consists of making sure one is in complete control of the circumstances in which potentially damaging information is disclosed. The opportunity to present Mr. Zundel's views brightly gift-wrapped in paper bearing the legend - "Here are the offensive views of a hate-mongering Nazi whose victims are supporting his right to be heard" - is worth more than a thousand press releases denouncing Mr. Zundel by the anti-defamation brigade. I would expect that it is this second effect which predominates, and therefore the proliferation of mirror sites is in fact a victory for Mr. Zundel's detractors, and not a promotion of Mr. Zundel's views. -- Mike Duvos $ PGP 2.6 Public Key available $ mpd(a)netcom.com $ via Finger. $

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Copyright fight against unauthorized racist "Zundelsite" mirrors (was Re: INTERNET FREE SPEECH WEB SITE !) (fwd)
by Rich Graves 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

FYA. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 15:09:07 -0800 (PST) From: Rich Graves <llurch(a)networking.stanford.edu> To: "E. Zundel" <ezundel(a)cts.com> Cc: "Declan B. McCullagh" <declan+(a)CMU.EDU>, Blake D Mills IV <blakem(a)eniac.seas.upenn.edu>, fight-censorship+(a)andrew.cmu.edu, sameer(a)c2.org, lmccarth(a)cs.umass.edu, llurch(a)networking.stanford.edu, webmaster(a)nizkor.almanac.bc.ca, webmaster(a)wiesenthal.com Newgroups: alt.censorship, comp.org.eff.talk, alt.revisionism, misc.int-property, misc.legal Subject: Copyright fight against unauthorized racist "Zundelsite" mirrors (was Re: INTERNET FREE SPEECH WEB SITE !) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Declan: Please take down the "build your own Zundelsite" files immediately, because it appears that they are being used improperly. Surely you do not want to violate Mr. Zundel's copyright. Ingrid/Zundel: I am pleased to hear that you do not agree with Mr. Bunkley's use of your materials. You should pursue legal action against Mr. Bunkley for copyright infringement. I think an injunction and a seizure of assets might be in order. I'm serious. Think about it. Please let us know which of the mirror sites linked by Declan are authorized. I know mine and Declan's were, and I assume that you approve of the partial IHR mirror. Because so many unblocked mirror sites currently exist, I have restricted access to my mirror to stanford.edu and a few other places. A limited number of closely controlled mirrors is certainly in your interest, because then it wold be much easier for you to update them. For example, your lack of control leads to the perception that well after Nizkor responded to your call for open debate, you have still not acknowledged their response. You look like a bunch of liars claiming that Nizkor won't answer you. Surely this is not what you want. - -rich On Thu, 1 Feb 1996, E. Zundel wrote: > Rich, > > all I can say is: Oh, my God! > > I know Rich Bunkley, but only be name and only from a few days ago. He > wrote us a very nice letter and wanted some additional information. We > promised it to him, but I don't know if it has even been sent. > > All I can add is that a few days ago Ernst put an editorial online that > explained where he stood with this kind of stuff. It is on our English > News page. I don't have time to do anything more except to send you the > HTML form, but you will see that we do not condone what Joe Bunkley is > doing. > > Here is the editorial: > > <strong>January 25, 1996</strong> > <P> > > <h1>Hate on the Internet</h1> > <H3>(Ernst Zundel)</h3> > <HR> > > The last few weeks have seen a number of new "skin head" and other fringe > group web pages appear on the Internet. I have at first watched with > dismay and now with horror how crude, vicious and disgusting cartoons > appear on some of these web pages, and how others openly promote an uncouth > and barbaric form of verbal and symbolic violence. > <P> > At first I thought that the electronic "counter measures" agencies of our > opponents had put up these sites to deliberately give Revisionists, > racialists and National Socialists a bad name. The timing seemed to > coincide with the Simon Wiesenthal Center's censorship efforts, as > elaborated on in the Front Page New York Times article January 10. The > censors claim they want to ban "pornography" and "hate groups" from the Net > - and what easier way to do that than to point to vulgar, smutty, uncouth > web sites? > <P> > Censors are appealing to Internet providers and servers to adopt a > "responsible citizens of the community" standard and to keep smut and hate > from the curious eyes of the impressionable young net surfers. We all know > that the United States Congress is currently working on just such > legislation, (H.R. 1555 / S. 652), as is the Canadian government and > undoubtedly other governments around the world. Germany's ban of > Compuserve is a perfect example. This is a very dangerous development for > all freedom-loving people. > <P> > I have felt uncomfortable in publicly defending the free speech rights of > Internet pornographers in the CompuServe controversy of late December and > early January, for I abhor pornography. Nevertheless, others abhor my > Revisionist viewpoint and I would be loath to let them censor me. Now I am > even more uncomfortable with the "Hate pages" of so-called "Right Wingers" > or "Skin Head" groups on the Internet and their foul language and vicious > cartoons of certain racial minorities. > <P> > Let me state unequivocally: I condemn and abhor this kind of material - in > print and on the Net. As a German person, whose ethnic group has been > negatively stereotyped since 1914 in thousands of vicious cartoons > depicting my people as Neanderthal brutes goose-stepping over other > people's rights while shouting "Heil Kaiser!" or "Heil Fuhrer!" I am > particularly sensitive to this issue. I have collected stacks and stacks > of these anti-German cartoons, and I dislike intensely how they distort my > ethnic group, particularly the World War II generation that spilled its > blood to stop the Marxist New World Order that is now strangling freedom > the world over with censorship measures like "Hate Laws." > <P> > Therefore, I appeal to all the web page owners or web masters, particularly > those who supposedly espouse Aryan ideals or views, as well as to those who > participate in various "alt.revisionism"-type news groups, to clean up > their acts, to behave like true Aryans who have a long and proud tradition > of being builders of civilization and inheritors of a great culture - and > to stop this anarchistic, selfish and childish Hollywood-induced behavior. > Look at yourselves and at your work! Every time you write or talk, your > mind if not your soul goes on parade. Nietzsche once wrote: ". . . There > is filth at the bottom of their souls; and it is worse if this filth still > has something of the spirit in it. . . !" > <P> > Haters who produce hate cartoons, hate literature, hate lines and hate web > sites are what our enemies have defined us to be. Up to now it was > self-serving enemy propaganda. Why hand them the "proof" with those > disgusting images? Why legitimize their past propaganda slogans and give > them their very own weapons on a silver platter or computer screen? You > are playing right into the censors' hands. Grow up! It's time to grow up, > wake up, and act responsibly! > <P> > Yes, to be an Aryan is a responsibility and also a privilege. It imposes > certain codes of behavior and ethics as well as morals on all those who > claim to be "Champions of White Rights" or Aryan causes. The struggle for > survival is on. This is no time or place for a handful of imbalanced > people, lacking self-control and self-esteem, to lay claim to "leadership" > roles because they can scrape the money together for a web site. > > Some of you bemoan the lack of public support by our own people - > financially and politically. Why are you surprised when decent white > people want nothing to do with you after they see what you do, and what you > say and write? I am disgusted that I have to spell out what ought to be > perfectly obvious to normal, decent poeple. > <P> > The struggle to protect the majority rights or White rights in the United > States and Canada - and, for that matter, in many other so-called > "democratic" countries - is not fought in order to have license to hate and > abuse people of other races but in order to love your own kind, to protect > them, to cherish them, and to assure their future in a world where white > people are already a minuscule minority and an endangered species. I am > shocked that people don't think before they act. I am shocked and > disgusted that grown men would not have more self-control and foresight. > <P> > Anybody wanting to link to the Zundelsite who has hateful material on their > site does not have my approval. That's final. This is my line I draw > today in the sand. > <P> > Ernst Zundel > > > > > > > > > > > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > >In article <4ep2he$msc(a)sphinx.Gsu.EDU>, the well-known Neo-Nazi (in the > >strictest sense of the word) gs02jwb(a)panther.Gsu.EDU (Joe Bunkley) > >writes: > > > >>Hello Folks, > >> I have established a brand new page on my web site. It's called: > >> > >> "ERNST ZUNDEL AND THE WORLD WIDE FREE SPEECH CAMPAIGN" > >> located at: > >> http://www2.gsu.edu/~gs02jwb/zundel.ind > > > >I recognize and encourage your right to speak freely, and I will link to > >your page. However, the only thing "new" about this site is the addition > >of more obvious lies claiming that Mr. Zundel is being censored in any > >meaningful way. > > > >I *demand* that you add a link to my site, which as you know and as Mr. > >Ernst Zundel's own press release clearly states, was the first. I will > >continue to maintain Mr. Zundel's files in place and unmodified as long as > >you and Zundel continue to make spurious claims of censorship, you worm. > > > >Lies written in ink can never disguise facts written in blood. - Lu Xun > > > >>If you look closely, you'll find that the REAL net censors have something > >>in common. This very tight knit group will deny it and will call you a > >>"Hater" if you recognize this fundamental truth. Are we going to let > >>this small group of people run the Internet like they do the news and > >>entertainment media in North America and Europe. Let me tell you, they > >>are sure going to try! Only your vigilance for truth, justice, and > >>freedom of speech and expression will stop this cabbal. Shine the light > >>of truth and facts upon them. Like a fungus, their doctrines of hatred > >>and domination cannot thrive in an environment of truth. These sick > >>puppies need us to stand up to their Orwellian schemes. Only by > >>following a truly evil doctrine of hatred for several thousand years do > >>they maintain the audacity that they are CHOSEN to rule the world. > > > >Exactly. Let's put these white supremacist assholes like Joe Bunkley in > >their place. > > > >> You see folks, your idealism and principles of fair play simply > >>get in the way of their ultimate success. Expressing your ideas freely > >>on the Internet has infuriated them. How dare you disagree with they who > >>are CHOSEN only in their own sick minds! This whole Internet and World > >>Wide Web just ain't working out like they planned. You see, the Internet > >>is supposed to FACILITATE the creation of a ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT. The > >>inherent nature of Cyberspace has taken us in an opposite direction > >>entirely! It facilitates autonomy, freedom, and individual expression. > >>Heck, Cyberspace is actually lessening their clutches upon your world and > >>environment. > > > >This is what cypherpunks have known for years, you Nazi bastard. > > > >It has nothing to do with you, freak. > > > >In a truly free society, you will only be laughed at. > > > >Only our strict adherence to the most cherished tenets of freedom is what > >allows people like us to tolerate people like you. > > > >> The shocking truth is being learned: WE DON'T NEED THEM; BUT > >>THEY DESPERATELY NEED US. Yes, they are paracites. With our > >>magnanimity, they may one day get over their trans-millennial delusion of > >>ruling the world. We can help them get over their sickness - but only > >>when they RECOGNIZE and ADMIT they have one big bugger of a problem. > >>That is the hardest thing for a CHOSEN ONE to do. It contradicts all the > >>poison these sick puppies have been led to believe about themselves. > >>With courage and vigilance, we can lead them to the light once they admit > >>their sickness. > > > >Exactly. Joe Bunkley, please tell us The Fourteen Words. > > > >>14words+14words+14words+14words+14words+14words+14words+14words+14words+14 > >>14 14 > >>14 FOURTEEN WORDS ! | I am sincerely yours, 14 > >>14 "We must secure the existence of our | Joe Bunkley 14 > >>14 People, and a future for White children."| gs02jwb(a)panther.gsu.edu 14 > >>14 14 > >>14 The Coming Fall Of The American Empire 14 > >>14 http://www2.gsu.edu/~gs02jwb 14 > >>14 14 > >>14words+14words+14words+14words+14words+14words+14words+14words+14words+14 > > > >Oh. I see that you did. Goodie. > > > >- -rich > > > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > >Version: 2.6.2 > > > >iQCVAwUBMREteo3DXUbM57SdAQFKQwP+KHHvwVDp5QYGeQKUsuAW80PAufN1+ybK > >iFglKGsu5khfhP+5shwo8vAwtiH9tKEOxHob/pA6e9RU/Ktn0OW+zBQFflS9y1ee > >vPHELAN/DxihU7Wv4gAYsZW9fjC0KJbvzx8XYu7MA1po7pudMzue0bUpmoV0y/VB > >tzDmW59FLRs= > >=iYAQ > >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > ***** Revisionism is the great intellectual adventure at the end of the > Twentieth Century. > > ***** Revisionismus ist das grosse intellektuelle Abenteuer am Ende des > Zwanzigsten Jahrhunderts. > > http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMRFG1I3DXUbM57SdAQHrAwP/UTeg5XvpVrRQ8QYaaMCbOxG7TqP7KjLo A1Q0AmBPHWkBIUDXHyRPQGMrBXDIGrZ4Brj0pv4e1aTR5qxTkLoNEajcX9Z6yhSe nmRL6tF669369mDX/s6WvcNzBtGIQL4B5eg3UEP0Y2FWuUWjTiBOXLX2hCpRX++X R4Mf300rIGA= =BA6j -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Prediction about new credit card number scheme
by Thomas Grant Edwards 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>By JOHN MARKOFF AN FRANCISCO -- >Hoping to remove a major impediment to credit card transactions over the >Internet, a business group led by Mastercard International and Visa >International plans to announce an industry-standard technology Thursday >for protecting the security of electronic payments. My prediction about the new CC standard: it will be a mistake if they don't pass on the details to cypherpunks. BTW - are any micropayment schemes reving up to commerciality yet??? -Thomas

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MD5?
by Black Unicorn 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

So... Is MD5 essentially history? Aside from MacPGP 2.6.3, is there a pgp version which will support anything else? -- Forward complaints to : European Association of Envelope Manufactures Finger for Public Key Gutenbergstrasse 21;Postfach;CH-3001;Bern Vote Monarchist Switzerland

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Thanks for not flaming the messenger
by baldwin 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Well, I've read a whole bunch of replies to the legal warning I posted for my employer. I want to thank everyone for being thoughtful enough for not flaming me personally. My apologies to people who received multiple copies. The goal was to ensure that anyone searching for the original article would get the warning with it, and that any CD-ROM containing sci.crypt would also contain the warning. Sorry for the inconvenience. --Bob

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Re: RC2 Source Code - Legal Warning from RSADSI
by Rich Salz 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Once lost, trade secret can never be regained. The person(s) responsible can be sued so they never work again :), but it's unclear if RSA can stop anyone using unpublished trade-secret source. At any rate, I'll stop my comparison of the distributed RC2 and the licensed RC2 since RSA's done it for us. :) /r$

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