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Re: Tell me whats wrong with this
by Bruce Baugh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 07:49 PM 2/8/96 -0600, Avatar wrote: >You probably had no problem with seat belts being manditory eqiupment , >because they >protected YOU and the people YOU cared about. >You probably had no problem with manditory airbags, public building smoke >alarms, unleaded >fuel, restaurant health codes,etc....Because they protected you and or >people you care about, >even though they cost YOU more money. Gee, there's nothing like false speculations as a basis for attack. I, for instance, have a friend who's been in two serious car accidents in recent years. In one she was belted in, and survived a nasty tumble that otherwise almost certaily would have killed her. In the other, she was in a truck from the pre-mandated-belts era, and was thrown free before the car collided with a pole that pierced all the way through the driver's seat. The mandate could have killed her. Sure, that's rare. I always belt up, or virtually always. Do I approve the mandate? No. ditto with all of the others. I want _information_, not _behavior control_. So. For those of us who do not generally approve of pushing responsibility for our morals (or health needs, for those of us with severe immune problems) onto others, how do you justify compelling us to spend money to make your life easier? >It's obvious that you watch a lot television your an excellent sensationalist. >Besides, we both no that the cost of the chip is insignificant. This device >hurts no one! In the first place, we don't know anything of the sort. Show the chip implemented in a mass-market TV or VCR, and back up your claims. Second, by putting more rating power into the hands of the State, it does emphatically threaten freedom of expression. And remember: anyone with your sig file, assuming you believe its sentiments, has no great ground for confidence that his views, rather than those of the worst and best-organized busybodies around, will prevail. Bruce Baugh bruce(a)aracnet.com http://www.aracnet.com/~bruce

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Re: Mailing list
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 11:38 PM 2/8/96, JOHN MARTIN LEWARS wrote: >When I wrote: >> Please make me apart of your mailing list. >I meant: > Please take me apart on your mailing list. >Thanks, Jack. I think Futplex _did_ take you apart on the list. --Tim P.S. To have mercy on you, if you want to subscribe to the Cypherpunks list, send a message to: majordomo(a)toad.com with this in the body: subscribe cypherpunks [This Bible excerpt awaiting review under the Communications Decency Act] And then Lot said, "I have some mighty fine young virgin daughters. Why don't you boys just come on in and do em right here in my house - I'll just watch!"....Later, up in the mountains, the younger daughter said. "Dad's getting old. I say we should do him." So the two daughters got him drunk and did him all that night. Sure enough, Dad got em pregnant....Onan really hated the idea of doing his brother's wife and getting her pregnant while his brother got all the credit, so he whacked off first....Remember, it's not a good idea to have sex with your sister, your brother, your parents, your pet dog, or the farm animals. [excerpts from the Old Testament, Modern Vernacular Translation, TCM, 1996]

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Re: Encryption and Backups
by pgut001＠cs.auckland.ac.nz 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Death rays from Mars made jpp(a)software.net (John Pettitt) write: >CP Backup (part of PC Tools for Central Point aka Symantec) has DES. As to >how good the implementation is: I have no idea. It's slightly more secure than the widespread double rot-13 encryption. PC Tools uses 2-round DES (or at least it did the last time I looked). There's some criticism of this in the SFS docs somewhere. Peter.

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Re: Fairness, Justice, and Cypherpunks (fwd)
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 1:49 PM 6/1/96, Jim Choate wrote: >Businesses (and government) have no rights under the Constitution and should >enjoy no rights under the Constitution. Rights are the sole purvue of real live >human beings (ie individuals) and not groups or paper individuals (stupidest >idea I have ever seen in the legal field). It is not reasonable to support This may come as a surprise to newspapers, which are corporations for the most part, and other publishing companies. Here we thought the First Amendment covered them. Apparently not. The government of the U.S. may freely tell "Time" magazine what to right, may tell "Wired" what official slant to put on a story, and what images "Playboy" may not publish. Oh, and the various religious institutions are clearly not covered, either, as they are groups. While _individuals_ are free to worship as they please, they'd better not form a church or synagogue, lest the government give them instructions on what to do. And the Fourth Amendment and other amendments don't cover small businesses, large corporations, etc., so the cops are perfectly free to knock the doors down, enter whenever they wish, force companies to quarter troops, seize property without due process,.... Is this what you're saying is the case, or is this what you want to be the case? --Tim May Boycott "Big Brother Inside" software! We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, we know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Licensed Ontologist | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Re: Internet Privacy Guaranteed ad (POTP Jr.)
by droelke＠rdxsunhost.aud.alcatel.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> From owner-cypherpunks(a)toad.com Mon Feb 19 17:50:19 1996 > Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 17:17:52 -0600 (CST) > From: IPG Sales <ipgsales(a)cyberstation.net> > We are not currently revealing all the details of our system because of > patents in process, and other relat6ed matters. We are offering the > software. You should be able to readily decompile it and determine the > algorithms used andf how they are used to generate random number sequences > for very long files. For short messages, a true OTP is used directly. Marketing Fluff - read "we don't *want* to revel it". Patent stuff doesn't take long to get the initial disclosures filed. Cypherpunks are generally engineers and are immune to such crap. > If you are aware of encrtypting technology, you recognize that hardware > prime number cycle wheels for the basis of some of the most secured > hardware systems employed for encryption. We simply expand that technogy > using software to set an intial setting, an adder, and a limit for 64 > such wheels, using large random prime numbers for each of those settings. > The total number of possibilities is over 10 to the 1690th power and can > be much larger. So. Large "random" prime numbers are generated. From what? How? Obviously these act as keys to your "OTP". Figure out how to match this prime and you can generate the same "OTP". > Thus we can eliminate the need to have the length of the OTP to be equal > to the length of the file - if you do not belive that it works, try it > and see - it takes inly a few hours to set such a trial up. We generated > over 790 gigabytes of charcaters, on multiple backups, and tested. Our > standard deviations, chi squares, Delta ICs for bits, characters, sets, > and the entire set were random. The sets are random, and you can take > that to the bank. So the data coming out appears random. Big whoopie. Lots of algorithms can generate the same thing. The key is how do you seed that random number generator? This isn't even close to being a OTP. A OTP by definition has a random set of data that is transmitted to the receipient over a seperate secure channel from the actual message to be sent. The actual message and the OTP are XOR'ed together and sent. The receipient then XORs the OTP and the encrypted message to get plaintext. That is pretty simple - even a marketing drone should be able to figure that one out. Now - explain how (in generic terms) your system acts as a OTP. > Someone, will decompile it and discover that it is truly random, at least > from the practical usage basis. But we need that time to file patents, > cvopyrights and the like. Yes - hopefully someone will take the time and money to decompile it. .... but if you are so sure of yourself, why not give away some demo copies. Why not source of the security functions? (Shove that patent crap someplace - you wouldn't be selling it if your disclosures weren't already filed) > The IPG system solves the key management problem and produces a truly > unbreakabkle system. We make no apologies for not currently revealing all > of the methodologies andf algorithms, but they will be revealed with > time, by us or others, and you will discover that it is indeed a simple, > easy to use, easy to install, truly unbreakable system. "unbreakable" - Bullshit - you obviously don't know crap. Dan ------------------------------------------------------------------ Dan Oelke Alcatel Network Systems droelke(a)aud.alcatel.com Richardson, TX

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Re: a few facts on Presidential peccadillos (fwd)
by Information Security 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> From: attila <attila(a)hun.org> > > power trippers attract willing victims. > > > ANSWERS > > 1. John F. Kennedy > 2. Bill Clinton > 3. Lyndon B. Johnson > 4. Thomas Jefferson > 5. Bill Clinton > 6. Andrew Jackson > 7. Lyndon B. Johnson > 8. Franklin D. Roosevelt, John F. Kennedy > 9. Warren G. Harding > 10. John F. Kennedy > 11. Lyndon B. Johnson > 12. Lyndon B. Johnson Clinton is normal? Cool! ---guy

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Harald to be hit with U.S. cruise missiles
by Tim May 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 5:45 PM -0700 9/14/98, HyperReal-Anon wrote: >On Mon, 14 Sep 1998 harald.fragner(a)idg.se wrote: > >> >> Do I know you? >> >> Harald >No, but we know you! You're a very evil man, Mr. Fragner, at least by the >standards of the Hired Government Ninjas. Under our standards, everyone is >evil...except government leaders. > >Expect black helicopters to be targetting your house in the next few days. >Do not be surprised if unguided rockets are shot into it. If ninjas are >coming through your windows at 2AM, just remember: We're from the >government and we're here to help you. Just bend over and grip the towel >rack. This is reprehensibile! HyperReal-Anon is alerting a Confirmed Net Terrorist to a planned U.S. cruise missile attack on Harald. Harald's crimes are not important. What is important is that the U.S. Muffdiver William Jefferson Clinton has orded the Northern Fleet to strike Harald's home and hometown and to report that Harald was a known associate of both Asama bin Laden and Phillip Zimmermann, known freedom fighters. Harald will learn that Six Degrees is monitoring all thoughtcrimes. Besides, Harald apparently used Roundup in his garden, the same nerve gas precursor found at the Baby Milk and Marzipan Factory in Khartoum. This means that Harald was manufacturing nerve gas in his Swedish home. --Tim May (This space left blank pending determ. of acceptability to the gov't.) ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, ComSec 3DES: 831-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Licensed Ontologist | black markets, collapse of governments.

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[NYT] FCC Extends CALEA Deadline
by bill.stewart＠pobox.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>From the New Yawk Times, probably Friday or Saturday: WIRETAP DELAYED [New York Times, C14.] In a setback for the F.B.I., the Federal Communications Commission has given the telecommunications industry an additional 20 months to comply with a Federal law meant to bring law-enforcement surveillance into the digital age. But in extending the deadline the commission deferred action on some of the most disputed facets of the issue, which has pitted law-enforcement officials against telephone-equipment manufacturers, network-service providers and privacy-rights advocates. The Communications Assistance for Law Enforcement Act was intended to address complaints by the F.B.I. and local law-enforcement agencies that were rapidly losing their ability to conduct wiretaps and other forms of electronic surveillance in the face of modern digital and wireless communications networks. But industry groups had long warned that they would be unable to meet the approaching deadline for complying with the law by installing the software and hardware that would allow for court-authorized surveillance on modern networks. The F.C.C. extended the deadline to June 30, 2000. "This ruling is really a prelude to the privacy fight," said James X. Dempsey, a telecommunications expert. "For now the commission has given itself and the industry some breathing room. They've said, 'Don't rush into these additional surveillance areas.'" The decision came in response to a request for a deadline extension that was filed in March in a joint petition by AT&T Wireless Services, Lucent Technologies and Ericsson.

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Interesting forum on CSPAN
by Mike Fletcher 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Was channel surfing last night while MST3K was in a commercial and wound up watching a panel on CSPAN from the World Economic Forum on "Technology & Security". The pannelists were Nicholas Negroponte from MIT's Media Lab, John Barlow from the EFF, a Mike Nelson from the White House (no relation to MST3K's :), and two other people whom I can't for the life of me remember their names (one was from a security consulting firm, and the other was a lawyer from something like the "Bristol Group"). It was 3am, so sue me. :) I missed the first few minutes, but there was a bunch of administration encryption policy bashing from all sides. Nelson kept saying that the administration wanted to support "good strong encryption" and they wanted to be able to say (paraphrasing) "We think this is good. Use this." (Trust us, we're from a TLA. :) He also kept saying that (again, paraphrasing) "most encryption out there is no good". Which begs the question then why are they wanting to ban its use and export. Negroponte kept bringing up the point that their policy was based on the (flawed, as we all believe) assumption that no one outside the US could create good crypto. Other topics that were touched on were intellectual property rights and e$. It was interesting that the lawyer person agreed to a good extent with a lot of the remarks Barlow made. Overall it was pretty interesting (and not just to watch the White House guy squirm as his premises were invalidated out from under him :). CSPAN usually replays stuff like this at odd times during the weekend so you might want to keep your eyes peeled. --- Fletch __`'/| fletch(a)ain.bls.com "Lisa, in this house we obey the \ o.O' ______ 404 713-0414(w) Laws of Thermodynamics!" H. Simpson =(___)= -| Ack. | 404 315-7264(h) PGP Print: 8D8736A8FC59B2E6 8E675B341E378E43 U ------

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ACM Account Verification Code
by webmaster＠acm.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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