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Jim Bell 5
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I spoke briefly this afternoon with Kelly Miller, the clerk of the district court handling Jim's case. She said that the USA, Jim and Jim's attorney agreed to waive (extend) the deadline for speedy indictment so that additional material could be assembled by all parties. And that no action will be taken until on or about June 30; Jim will remain in jail until then. Jim's attorney, Peter Avenia, confirmed this but would not comment further except in answer to my question about getting in touch with Jim said that he had advised Jim not to make statements to anyone. ----- Kelly Miller: 1-253-593-6754 Peter Avenia: 1-253-593-6710

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Burn flag = unconstitutional
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > House Passes Constitutional Amendment On Flag Desecration > > By Darlene Superville > Associated Press Writer > > WASHINGTON (AP) -- The House voted overwhelmingly today for a proposed > constitutional amendment against flag desecration, an issue pushed by > conservatives since Republicans took over Congress in 1995. > > The House tally, held two days before Flag Day, was 310-114.

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Democratic Assassination
by Pilgrim 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> Instead of putting child pornographers in prison we will put >cryptographers and remailer operators in prison. Instead of >confiscating the assets of drug czars will confiscate the assets >of people who have a kid who smokes a joint once a week. Instead >of censoring legislation which limits our freedom and privacy >we will censor literature which proposes democratic assassination >of those who oppress us. Whoa there bud! I have a nagging feeling that democratic assassination is a large can of worms than we realize. There is something fundamentally wrong with a society that is built upon the notion that those people who do and say unpopular things deserve death. Yet that is exactly what a system of "democratic" assassinations would do, enable a large group of people to intimidate and subvert a smaller group of people. So, for the sake of argument, let this system of anonymous democratic assassination come to pass...then what? Utopia? Maybe.... But let's say that someone comes along later, proposing a way of living that is radically different from the norm. Exhibiting a nasty characteristic that has been inherent in the human races for eons....even before the rise of large sprawling governments....the majority of people decide that they don't like this troublemaker....through the process of democratic assassination...this person is now dead. Forget even the shade of a possibility that this person may have been right...that his way of living ***may*** have been better than the norm. Right and wrong don't matter. Popularity and the "mood of the crowd" do...this person said somethig unpopular, and is dead because of it. Freedom of speech? Let's say that a group of people suddenly become unpopular. Perhaps times are tough and the majority need a scapegoat. Maybe this group of people have been long oppressed and are finally fighting back. Through a system of democratized assassination....their leaders are dead....with no one willing to take their place (out of fear)....maybe a few other random people are killed just to really get these people quaking in their boots. Or let's take it one step further. If democratic assassination is good, why not democratic genocide. Let the people take a vote, and if the scale tips the right way, an entire group of people need killed. Is this good? Let's take a step further. Going back to my first example, let's say that someone comes along proposing a new way to live, and many people take to it and follow this person. Unfortunately, this person has just happened to make a few powerful enemies. Through a system of "democratic" assassination, this person is now dead...and there is no way to catch his/her killers. Is this even democratic? Even if digital cash, anonymous remailers and strong encryption could enable us to set up a democratic system of assassination (which it couldn't)...I still wouldn't want to live in a society where killing is democratized...I do not want to live in a society where people can abitrarily take a vote on whether I should live or die.... Just because a majority of people like an idea, does that make the idea any more right or any less wrong? I (and I would wager you) do not want to live in a society where it is dangerous...even life threatening to be unpopular, and to go against the flow. I know that I hold fast to ideas and beliefs which are hardly considered popular....the only reason I'm not socially scorned, right now, is because I'm very diplomatic about them.... You wrote a lot about "The Machine," as if it was some real, intelligent, calculating conscience. It is not. While I do not doubt that "The Machine" exists, it is not something that is tangible....it is a system...a way of doing things...a set of entrenched powers...it is not a person. "The Machine" won't be defeated by killing. Its weakness is far more subtle..and takes a lot longer to exploit....but that's another story...for another listserv. That IRS guy that you want to kill? Sure, he might work for "The Machine," but killing him won't solve anything. Hating him won't solve anything. It might be a short term fix, but there will be others. And perhaps, if you stop and look at that IRS guy whom you hate so much...you might find that 1) He has parents, maybe even a wife and children, all of whom love him 2) He gets tired and night, and has to use the bathroom 3) He gets happy, sad, lonely, depressed, He's another human being....just like yourself...indeed, the only difference between himself and yourself is how he makes a living. And maybe...just maybe...he is just as big a victim of "The Machine" as you are. Of course, I'm not accusing anyone of wanting to kill anyone...or hating anyone. I'm just throw this out because it is food for thought. You write so much about "The Machine" causing division and hatred between people. Perhaps "The Machine" has manipulated you more than you realize. Justice rarely comes out of hatred. Regards, Pilgrim Regards, Pilgrim

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Urgent - ABC coverage on One Nation
by Scott Balson 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Dear One Nation supporter Att 6.55pm the ABC will be carrying a 5 minute address by One Nation. We apologise for the short time warning, but we have just been advised. The One Nation Health Policy released today is now on line at: <A href="http://www.gwb.com.au/onenation/policy/health.html">http://www.gwb.com.au/onenation/policy/health.html GWB Scott Balson Pauline Hanson's One Nation Web Master

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Crackdown on spam? [CNN]
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > FEDS TO CRACK DOWN ON JUNK E-MAIL FRAUD > > > > June 12, 1997 > Web posted at: 8:16 p.m. EDT (2016 GMT) > > WASHINGTON (AP) -- Federal regulators put the junk e-mailindustry on > notice Thursday that businesses will be punished ifthey put false > information in unsolicited mail they send tomillions of Internet > users. > > The Federal Trade Commission also asked the industry to come upwith > ways to stem the flood of commercial mail clogging theInternet and > creating bottlenecks that make it difficult to getonline. > > The FTC said it would ask industry groups to supply lists > ofjunk-mail senders to help in the new drive to detect > fraud.Penalties a junk mailer might face for breaking the fraud law > couldinclude an injunction to stop the illegal practice up to tens > ofthousands of dollars in fines for a repeat offender.

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IP: Biometric Signature for "Forms w/o Paper"
by Vladimir Z. Nuri 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: believer(a)telepath.com Subject: IP: Biometric Signature for "Forms w/o Paper" Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 08:32:25 -0500 To: believer(a)telepath.com Source: PR Newswire http://www.prnewswire.com Doxis, Inc. Announces Forms Without Paper Version 2.1 Computerized Data/Document Input And Storage System New Release Lets Pharmaceutical Workers Input Process and Analytical Forms/Data Into Secure Document Databases, With Improved Document Authoring Features and Capabilities. Communicates With Key Enterprise Systems. Visit Doxis at WorldPharm '98 Booth #1033 NORWOOD, MA Sept. 22 /PRNewswire/ -- Lewis Bell, President and Chief Executive Officer of Doxis, Inc., Norwood, MA, a pioneer and leader in the development of mobile computer-based forms management software systems, announced today, at WorldPharm '98, the latest version of Forms Without Paper(TM) -- Version 2.1. Doxis developed and markets Forms Without Paper -- the first software package that allows mobile pharmaceutical workers to input critical, real-time batch process, research and analytical forms and data -- with biometric signatures -- directly and interactively into a secure document database. The original data is locked into the form, the electronic equivalent of the original paper copy. However, data can also be made available to enterprise databases without retranscription, and without altering the original form. Forms Without Paper is a client server software toolset that provides data for trend analysis, and can be customized to interface to standards compliant MES (Manufacturing Execution Systems), LIMS (Laboratory Information Management Systems), and ERP (Enterprise Resource Planning) systems. Lewis Bell, Doxis, Inc., President and CEO, said, "Forms Without Paper Version 2.1 features a more advanced and flexible document authoring architecture designed to better facilitate and speed the process of changing and revalidating forms. This is a major breakthrough in computerized data/document input and storage, and provides tremendous advantages to pharmaceutical manufacturers who wish to use electronic records." Forms Without Paper Version 2.1 provides a superior vehicle for the collection of handwritten forms and data by mobile workers. It bridges gaps between the capture of handwritten, signed documents and data collection in highly regulated industries such as pharmaceutical and HBA manufacturing. These industries now have the ability to automate the capture of these documents and data at the point of work. They can also share it over worldwide enterprise systems, with their document management systems, and with other systems, including MES and LIMS. According to Bell, using Forms Without Paper Version 2.1, pharmaceutical companies now have a way to computerize both their existing paper-based batch records and laboratory data sheets that is based upon their current paradigm, and, therefore, is intuitive, non-disruptive to their operations, and painless to implement by industry standards. The software enforces version control and increased accuracy of data collection. It automatically verifies data integrity and applied tolerances per field. It proactively enforces compliance with SOP's, and provides a patented audit trail for changes. The orms Without Paper client runs on a pen-based terminal operating under Windows 95(R)/98(R) -- the equivalent of an electronic clipboard. The hand held unit communicates with the server via wireless LAN. The new release will be available in the first quarter of 1999 to pharmaceutical and consumer product manufacturers subject to FDA regulation. Bell is quick to point out that the new system does not obsolete existing forms processes, but rather automates them, making them more efficient and secure, and less error prone. "Many companies do not want to reinvent the wheel when it comes to processing the forms they use throughout their operations," Bell states. "However, they do want a better way to ensure the accuracy and timeliness of their forms. They want to control their forms throughout their life cycles, as the valuable corporate assets they are." Using Forms Without Paper, a worker now enters the data onto the electronic clipboard using a pen, just as he or she would when using a paper form. The layout of the form is the same as the paper version, and workers can also print out the paper form if they need to. As it is collected, information is date and time stamped, operator identified, and secured within the intelligent form to provide a cGMP compliant audit trail that will include all information captured in association with the data. Digital signatures that are captured are non-excisable, and can also be verified to authenticate the entry, if desired. Completed forms are stored in a Secure Document Database. Once transferred to the user's network, information is available to backend ODBC databases, desktop applications, and ODMA standards compliant document management software. Forms Without Paper can also be used as a front end to enterprise packages such as SAP(R) and BPCS(R), allowing pharmaceutical companies to extend the reach of these applications to mobile workers. Training on the system is available, as well as consultation and professional services, including validation services. Distribution, product support, consultation and professional services will be handled through the Doxis direct sales channel. Forms Without Paper(TM) and Doxis are registered trademarks of Doxis, Inc. All other companies and products mentioned are trademarks of their respective companies. SOURCE Doxis, Inc. ©1998 PR Newswire ----------------------- NOTE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. section 107, this material is distributed without profit or payment to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving this information for non-profit research and educational purposes only. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml ----------------------- ********************************************** To subscribe or unsubscribe, email: majordomo(a)majordomo.pobox.com with the message: (un)subscribe ignition-point email@address ********************************************** www.telepath.com/believer **********************************************

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Re: Untraceable Contract Killings
by Blanc 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Vladimir Z. Nuri wrote: >[yadda, yadda, yadda] (yawn) then Truth Monger wrote: >Of course, Bell did ADD a significant wrinkle, and deserves credit >for his contributions. May and Bell. Names that will be >remembered. ......................................................................... L.D.: Still whining after all these years. .. Blanc

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Flag Burning...
by RS 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

When it comes down to flag burning, It really bothers me that we allow our symbol of freedom to be burned. It's more than a flag and a right. It's a symbol of the freedom we have. To allow someone to publicly burn a flag is essentially displaying our freedom being burned. Bush was a veteran, and Clinton was not. I take it the ones who are writing on this subject about how we should have the "freedom" to burn the flag have never served in the military or for our country. Being a veteran myself, I find it very distateful to allow anyone on our soil to be allowed to "BURN" our symbol of freedom. Think about the flag for a moment and what it really stands for. Does it not stand for freedom and liberty? Sorry, I just had to let this out. I stand behind Bush on this one. Don't burn the flag unless you would like to live under another flag!

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by health＠infogate.co.il 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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can i join
by Drifter0＠aol.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

thanx

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