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Re: Guerilla Internet Service Providers (fwd)
by frantz＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 11:43 1/4/96 -0600, Jason Rentz wrote: >Previous exchanges deleted... >> >>With a tightly focused beam (light is easy, I don't know about lower >>frequencies), you can prevent interception except by very obvious physical >>devices. (e.g. Someone in a cherry picker truck.) You may be able to >>avoid the need to encrypt the link (and all the paranoia about key >>management, advances in factoring etc. that that implies.) >> >>Bill > >The problem with this comes when you start creating links between much >taller buildings like in San Fran. Any give building over 30 stories might >sway a foot or so at any given time. Combine that with the other building >and you might get a few feet of movement. (movement not including during an >earthquake) :) (1) No single communication technology is appropriate for every problem. (2) A technical fix could include having the receiver send steering orders to the transmitter. This solution would, of course, be a long way from the low tech scavenged lens and 1/2 meter cardboard mailing tube technology I was thinking of. Bill

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PGP & Zimmerman on Tonight's CBS News
by David Lesher / hated by RBOC's in 5 states 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I caught only part of a LONG (by network news standards) piece on crypto with PRZ, Jimmy SuperFed Kellstrom and Scott Charney. If CBS news is yet to air in your area, it is well worth your time to see, and perhaps record. Phil came off very well. -- A host is a host from coast to coast.................wb8foz(a)nrk.com & no one will talk to a host that's close........[v].(301) 56-LINUX Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433 is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433

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Re: 2047 bit keys in PGP
by Cedric Tefft 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> From: Scott Brickner > To: Cedric Tefft > Subject: Re: 2047 bit keys in PGP > Date: Thursday, January 04, 1996 3:41PM > > Return-Path: <sjb(a)universe.digex.net> > Message-Id: <199601042141.QAA15905(a)universe.digex.net> > X-Authentication-Warning: universe.digex.net: Host localhost didn't use HELO > protocol > To: Cedric Tefft <CedricT(a)bart.datastorm.com> > Subject: Re: 2047 bit keys in PGP > In-Reply-To: (Your message of Thu, 04 Jan 1996 14:12:00 PST.) > <30EC5109(a)ms-mail.datastorm.com> > Date: Thu, 04 Jan 1996 15:41:51 -0600 > From: Scott Brickner <sjb(a)universe.digex.net> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > Cedric Tefft writes: > > If his algorithm effectively cuts my keyspace in half, I need to make it > >twice as large as I would need if my attacker's best algorithm were brute > >force. > > Um. No. If his algorithm cuts the keyspace in half, you only need to > make it one bit larger. > You are correct. I'm afraid I was thinking one thing and typing another. What I meant to say is that the attacker has an algorithm that effectively cuts my keySIZE (instead of keyspace) in half, i.e. his algorithm requires him to try on average only 2^1023 keys (instead of 2^2047 for a brute force attack) to crack my key of 2048 bits. Thanks for pointing this out. "Who needs encryption when their thoughts are unclear in plaintext?" - Cedric

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Re: ITARs effects
by azur＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>Adam Shostack writes: > >: Peter D. Junger wrote: >: | >: | : This implies that putting something up for FTP == export. Holy >: | : shit. >: | >: | That has always been the position of the Department of Defense Trade >: | Controls with respect to the ITAR, the only difference is that now >: | it is going to be in writing. >: >: My understanding is that they choose not to continue >: per^H^Hrosecuting Phil for putting the code up for FTP. Thus, this is >: a change. Or did Phil not put the code up for FTP? > >Phil probably did not put up the code, [snip] > In my case the >government's lawyer has made it quite clear that they would consider >putting cryptographic software on a web site as a violation, and I >don't think that for this purpose there is any distinction either in >the government's mind or in reality between an FTP site and a web >site. > These changes are all aimed at making it harder to make money from strong crypto and therefore reduce its common availability worldwide. They do little to keep it from circulating worlwide, what ever its country of origin as anonymous posting to a newsgroup is still straightforward. Look for more shareware and commercial crypto source to circulate in printed, rather than machine-readable, form to take advantage of freedom of speech rules. -- Steve

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Carto international money-laundering/embezzlement case
by rcgraves＠ix.netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Dale Thorn <dthorn(a)gte.net> wrote: > > Further (and at the risk of being identified with a particular > political slant, which I don't have), this "newspaper" is actively > collaborating with other international interests to put the nail in > Free Speech, via the Holocaust issue. Carto of Liberty Lobby fame Apologies for replying to a crank whom most people are already ignoring, but I've got lots of material relating to the case of Legion v. Carto, which Dale summarizes quite wrongly, at http://www-leland.stanford.edu/~llurch/potw2/legion/ Cypherpunk relevance: HUGE. Money laundering, reputation control, data and tax havens, libertarian and Nazi fantasies, criminal cults, and a dog named Fido. Judge Maino: | I believe that I could appoint a platoon of lawyers and accountants | to look into this case and I would still not be much closer to answering | the following questions than I am today. The reason the truth will never | be fully known is because the parties, all highly intelligent and | capable, seem to have spent their lives forming organizations and then | transferring money between these organizations to avoid problems with | their opponents or the government. A good example of this is Ms. Farrel. | She gives up U.S. Citizenship, takes Columbian citizenship, and resides | in Switzerland to avoid taxes. She keeps her assets in the U.S., England, | Switzerland, Germany, Singapore and Japan. She sets up a Liberian | corporation, Neca, to take charge of her assets for the Legion which is a | Texas corporation doing business in California. Far from Dale's preoccupation with "international joo interests," it's a case of two neo-Nazi groups suing each other over the mismanagement of an inheritance. Stir in a little CoS interest (they want to cover up Marcellus's involvement with Holocaust denial and to associate recent legal actions against the cult in Germany with the Holocaust), and it's a veritable cornucopia of fruitcakes bashing each other, all over money for which no clear accounting can be made because it was always kept at least partly underground. Would that we could all do so well. The judge's letter on how he saw the witnesses is *very* entertaining. It's legion-vs-carto-letter.html in the above directory, but by all means, read it all. If you have soft copies of anything The Spotlight or any other pro-Carto rag has to say for itself, I'd be delighted to archive them, too. - -rich -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQBVAwUBMrT+85NcNyVVy0jxAQHhewIArARpR1DeaX+dKeyB+nAbL0otSEbtfO+I kRrfJMG6rR9TrMXPcRpj/ViWXvqEPOMNJoUXjv3xGfT6MoXcsuPFhQ== =f60U -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: [NOISE] Trying to init security channel
by futplex＠pseudonym.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Forwarded message: > Date: Thu, 4 Jan 96 13:11:36 IST > From: geoff klein <geoff(a)commtouch.co.il> > To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com > Subject: Trying to init security channel > X-Potpinitrequest: AwAAAAAAAADhi+swAQAAAPqPQh4AACoAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARjMwMzBGRjIyMTFENTBEMABnZW9mZkBjb21tdG91Y2guY28uaWwAY3lwaGVycHVua3NAdG9hZC5jb20A Another satisfied "Power One Time Pad" user, it would appear.... > > This message was sent by Pronto Secure Mail. > Without Pronto you can not establish a secure channel. > > Please send a reply manually. Futplex <futplex(a)pseudonym.com> *** Welcome to Cypherpunks -- Now Go Home *** -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBMOxzMinaAKQPVHDZAQGcIwf+KYlU8PiutVTduMG2Jxt7KDsEhDvjjiDi p+kBKw0y2Tj+Z/LGoCTSu2egMxFf9L9mWg8ulNCXPu92Bg1PWNPFJpTeXYcQfHnz fQfQlbnixwo1gU1DW0AVpeq5iIdBwOOqh2TEa5m7LQXiCU3RDS0Q0+muDzvncykC UkF+uzPvxrZW88LFnxSmYez3o/Xj0V39gvKANkZvqOotm90g5bYb6TY8qCUFfSUh hNPPA1irtYc96a73WXRYciW4T1H8cfsmmlwMxbCbILer6MPH+2CZMD1DP5eIu0cd 4vvN6n3pPgBs7YAp4RANf6HKHZpJwB/MG+TOt2ngolsPt5JFvrUKuQ== =wXVD -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Shimomura on TV?
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Someone just said that NBC's Dateline showed a snippet of Shimomura on an upcoming show about rampant cyber-crime and that he was the best hope against it, or something to that effect. Did anyone see it and get the time and date? Anyone attend the Shimomura-Markoff lecture at Stanford today? Is this the media blitz for their pot-boiler? Can't wait to slurp it.

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legal question
by Perry E. Metzger 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

A question for our local attorneys. There have been several times in the past where people have questioned whether cryptographic hash functions like SHA and the like are exportable under the ITAR? In a joint declaration of facts not in dispute as part of Karn v. State Department, the following was agreed by the government: (see http://www.qualcomm.com/people/pkarn/export/karnsf.html) 34. Three of the source code listings on the diskette and in Part Five of the Applied Cryptography book, MD-5, N-HASH, and SHS are "hashing routines" that perform a data authentication function and, by themselves, are not controlled for export under the ITAR because cryptographic software that is solely limited to a data authentication function is excluded from Category XIII(b) of the United States Munitions List. See 22 C.F.R. 121.1 XIII(b)(vi). Would this not mean that the government is estopped from ever again claiming that hash functions are export controlled under the ITAR? Just curious as to whether or not things have been made more clear... Perry PS they also admit in the same declaration to having broken Enigma in WWII. A shocking revelation.

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Re: Zimmermann case is dropped.
by Censored Girls Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

CLAP!!! CLAP!!! CLAP!!! CLAP!!! At 03:35 AM 1/8/96 -0700, you wrote: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > >My lead defense lawyer, Phil Dubois, received a fax this morning from >the Assistant US Attorney in Northern District of California, William >Keane. The letter informed us that I "will not be prosecuted in connection >with the posting to USENET in June 1991 of the encryption program >Pretty Good Privacy. The investigation is closed." > -Philip Zimmermann > 11 Jan 96 > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >Version: 2.6.2 > >iQCVAwUBMPDy4WV5hLjHqWbdAQEqYwQAm+o313Cm2ebAsMiPIwmd1WwnkPXEaYe9 >pGR5ja8BKSZQi4TAEQOQwQJaghI8QqZFdcctVYLm569I1/8ah0qyJ+4fOfUiAMda >Sa2nvJR7pnr6EXrUFe1QoSauCASP/QRYcKgB5vaaOOuxyXnQfdK39AqaKy8lPYbw >MfUiYaMREu4= >=9CJW >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > -- Member Internet Society - Certified BETSI Programmer - Webmistress *********************************************************************** Carol Anne Braddock (cab8) carolann(a)censored.org 206.42.112.96 My Homepage The Cyberdoc *********************************************************************** ------------------ PGP.ZIP Part [017/713] ------------------- M8H,),S$8G>&.WP(8IRA`-M['+`Q%&_C"">5-F%LX@<_Q$;*P'',Q$Z/AA[8M MF=O0H+*%(-S%&>S%+FS&<LS%3(Q&#W1"<]2%`H^;,]^1C$'HBN8PX$4SYAU^ MPGD<Q0ZLA0D+,`MCT!LA**4M[-JPAK9F?40!AJ,CW"'%DR#:'9?Q)3[%<DQ` ------------------------------------------------------------- for next chunk to export --> http://dcs.ex.ac.uk/~aba/export/

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17 Dec '03

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