- cypherpunks-legacy - lists.cpunks.org

Re: Ebonics
by Omegaman 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Sat, 21 Dec 1996, Mark Rosen wrote: > No. Speaking in Ebonics is the same as speaking with an accent. You can't > control their expression; you learned to speak with a Southern accent as a > child, while other people learned to speak with an Ebonic accent (?). By > condoning speaking in a Southern accent, you condone speaking in Ebonics. Whatever rational basis your arguments may have had were eradicated by the ludicrous logical conclusion drawn above. > I can't understand thick Southern accents. No matter how smart you are, > I'm not going to hire you because I can't understand you. How do you feel? Oh so sad. Let me make this clear, an accent is far different from grammatically incorrect speech. I can speak with grammatic perfection and a drawl so heavy it'll make your eyeballs hurt. (Of course, being from New Orleans, my normal accent is more like brooklyn than Nashville -- four years in Mississippi changed all that) > Replace the word Ebonics with "Southern accent" and "black English" with > "Southern twang" and you'll see how hypocritical you are. Also, why do you > make an exception for foriegn accents? They're just as difficult to > understand. And can still be spoken with proper grammar. I make an exception for foreign accents because we are dealing a completely separate language. Speakers of ebonics are certainly not bilingual in this sense (and neither am I). I don't see hypocrisy at all. I do see an apologist, pampering, paternal point of view, however. And we southern folk jes' don't abide that sorta thang. > Language is completely different from intellect. You can't control whether > you were taught, Ebonics, a Southern accent, or "normal" English. I wasn't "taught" a Southern accent. I absorbed it in daily conversation. I certainly wasn't taught a Southern dialect. I was taught the English language. I'll say it again...the notion that Ebonics exists as a separate language -- not derived as slang from standard English -- is absurd. me _______________________________________________________________ Omegaman <mailto:omega@bigeasy.com> PGP Key fingerprint = 6D 31 C3 00 77 8C D1 C2 59 0A 01 E3 AF 81 94 63 Send e-mail with "get key" in the "Subject:" field to get a copy of my public key _______________________________________________________________

1 0

EMR Threat of RS-232 Cables
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Thanks to Steve Schear we've put a 1990 article on eavesdropping on RS-232 cable emanations which parallels van Eck's work on VDUs. "The Threat of Information Theft by Reception of Electromagnetic Radiation from RS-232 Cables" By Peter Smulders, Dept of EE, Eindhoven University of Technology Smulders notes that this type of emanation can disclose information, such as passwords, that does not appear on VDUs. And that cable shielding does not always prevent snooping. http://jya.com/rs232.pdf (367 kb)

1 0

National Cryptologic School Press
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

A WaPo review today of a new book on military intelligence during the Civil War, cites the author's background in NSA and as director of the agency's National Cryptologic School Press. Are the publications of this press public? Anyone have an address? Access to a catalogue. Any other info? There's another, on-line, review of the book at: http://www.bookpage.com/9609bp/nonfiction/thesecretwarfortheunion.html

1 0

Re: Language (Was:Re: Ebonics)
by camcc＠abraxis.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 11:03 PM 12/21/96 -0800, you wrote: :[snip] :If you read my complete post, you would note that I made a distinction :between "twang" (i.e., slurring words) Twang is _not_ slurring words; twang is speaking with a nasal accent. A good example is the principal's secretary in "Ferris Buhler's Day Off." Thanks, y'all. Cordially, Alec PGP Fingerprint: Type bits/keyID Date User ID pub 1024/41207EE5 1996/04/08 Alec McCrackin <camcc(a)abraxis.com> Key fingerprint = 09 13 E1 CB B3 0C 88 D9 D7 D4 10 F0 06 7D DF 31

2 1

Re: DES implementation in C
by Dale Thorn 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Eric Young wrote: > On Fri, 20 Dec 1996, Peter Trei wrote: > > > So yet again my dislike of doing assember has been justified. One just > > > needs a good compiler and be willing to put in the correct C code :-). > > > While I know the asm is faster, the C compiler does a better job of > > > the chaining between the 16 inlined inner loops. [snippo] If you could produce a 100% 'C' version, with in-line provisions for replaceable 'C' or assembler functions, and insure that there is no significant performance loss for having this portability, then you could at least issue the 100% 'C' code for any machine or O/S. This would make a lot of people happy if the application has wide interest. Is this possible, even if it's more work?

1 0

Re: Executing Encrypted Code
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 06:41 PM 12/21/96 -0800, Timothy C. May wrote: >And don't forget that internal nodes of microproceessors can be "tapped" >with an electron beam voltage contrast system. Some steps can make this >much harder, but the principle is still that internal states are capturable. >--Tim May Within the last week or two, I read (somewhere?) of a new system to analyze chip behavior that utilized tiny amounts of light momentarily emitted from FET channels during switching. Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

1 0

~digicash at Shell
by Brad Dolan 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Shell is now marketing a stored-value card in $25, $50, and $100 face denominations. The $100 card retails for $94 right now. I'm not sure if that discount will be a long-term thing or if it's just to get people hooked. Anyway, the card can be purchased anonymously for cash and can be used to buy anything at Shell. I like to use the automated pay-at-the-pump gizmos to save time but I don't like to leave a digital footprint behind on my credit card statement for Louis' Legions to peruse, so I think the stored-value card is a step forward for privacy. Anybody know if these cards are useable overseas? bd

2 2

No Subject
by Jean-Lou Dupont 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

unsuscribe jld(a)osiris.com

1 0

Re: the word is "NIGGAZ"
by jlucas4＠capital.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Actually the word is "niggus." "Niggaz" is the white man's nasal rendition of this term. It can alos be spelt "niggas," but this form implies a different context. context. "Niggus" is used often within gangsta rap music in an effort to rhyme with difficult words when no other way can be found. "Niggas" would be referring to other black fellows in a friendly way. More or less. Gangsta J ************************************************************************** # Gangsta J # "Dead bodies pile up, an' it's plain to see, # # j(a)hardcore.gangsta.com # it's because o' me. I'm the girl killa, the # # Brownsville ghetto # throat slitta, the cunt rippa" - J # **************************************************************************

1 0

Ebonics
by Mark Rosen 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I would like to conclude this Ebonics issue. The main problem is understanding. Some people have bad accents, either Southern or Ebonic, both of which are often difficult to understand. I am not disputing the fact that everyone should learn a standard language, but I object to the racial undertones of the messages - that black people are stupider than white people, and gross ignorance of environmental conditions. Whatever. Mark Rosen FireSoft - http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Pines/2690 Mark Eats AOL - http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/6660

2 1