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Re: Cypherpunk Certification Authority
by Jeff Hupp 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On 25 Nov 95 at 15:35, Alex Strasheim wrote: : > Basicly when the browser finds a new CA that it does know about it promts : > the user and through a series of dialog boxes the user chooses to trust it : > or not. : : Is anyone running an ssl web server that would let us see how this works? : : A 'how to' on rolling your own can be found at: http://fiasco.snre.umich.edu/~altitude/ssl/ssl.saga.html While that one is using a certificate from VaraSign, as mentioned earlier you can create your own authority and certificate with tools you find at: http://bond.edu.au/External/Misc/Crypto/ -- JHupp(a)gensys.com |For PGP Public Key: http://gensys.com |finger jhupp(a)gensys.com The difference between science and the fuzzy subjects is that science requires reasoning, while those other subjects merely require scholarship

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BOS_nya
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

11-26-95. Washrag: "Seeking the Government That Governs Best." Book review. What Comes Next: The End of Big Government And the New Paradigm Ahead By James P. Pinkerton Hyperion. 404 pp. $24.95 In Pinkerton's account, bureaucracy survives today only because no one has yet developed a coherent replacement model." Instead we have deluded ourselves into thinking that periodic upgrading of what Pinkerton calls the "Bureaucratic Operating System" (BOS) -- in the same way that computer software is upgraded -- will enable us to avoid the gloomy prospect of life in the "Cyber Future," his term for the horrific predicament of extreme inequality and hypercrime to which we are headed. At one point Pinkerton suggests that a parallel for Bill Clinton may be found in Mikhail Gorbachev. Both leaders "shrank from genuine perestroika" after their peoples had come to the realization that the system itself was the problem. Displaying a sure grasp of popular culture, technology and political history, Pinkerton writes engagingly and insightfully about the defects and malfunctionings of the American bureaucratic state. His refreshing analyses of the flaws in bureaucratic thinking are among the best that we have on the subject and, surely, the wittiest. BOS_nya (7 kb)

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[FYI] FBI Training Eastern European Police
by Dave Del Torto 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

[ from: The Hungary Report #1.28, free weekly, direct from Budapest ] [ retransmitted to list without permission to increase distribution ] FBI School Teaches New Tricks to Old Enemies By Susan Milligan Copyright (c) 1995 In matching navy blue polo shirts, the students sat transfixed as they watched slides showing the destruction of the Oklahoma City and World Trade Center bombings. "God forbid you should ever have anything like this happen over here," American instructor Ed Burwitz told his Central European class, outfitted with headphones for simultaneous translation of the lecture. "It is a tough task for any freedom-loving country to prevent terrorism," he added. The class on forensics is typical of what goes on in law enforcement academies across America. But in this classroom, the instructors are teaching crime-fighting tactics to students from onetime enemy nations. "This could not have happened five years ago," said Laszlo Simon, the Hungarian director of the International Law Enforcement Academy here. "We don't preach or teach," said Leslie Kaciban, the American director of the newly-opened facility. Instead, the American instructors - culled from the FBI and other law enforcement agencies - share information and experiences with the students for them to adapt to their systems. Students from Hungary, Russia, Poland, the Czech Republic and other Central and Eastern European nations attend ILEA's 8-week sessions, the first of which began in April. The United States fronted $2.5 million to renovate the campus, which includes a brand-new gym, classrooms, dormitories and one of Hungary's few indoor tennis courts. The Hungarian government contributed $500,000 to renovate the facility, but the U.S. will pay the $3.5 million yearly cost to operate the center, which is modeled after the law enforcement training center in Quantico, Va. The facility looks like any other college campus - students go on field trips together, take "wellness" physical fitness class together, and will have a yearbook and alumni newsletter. The idea is to help the Eastern Europeans with their burgeoning crimes problems, as well as to foster cooperation on international crime problems. "I'm amazed at the freedom of travel that is possible" after the opening up of the Eastern nations, Burwitz said. But "that means criminals can travel as well," he said, allowing them to traffic drugs and contraband. "The more interaction we have with these countries in law enforcement, the better it will be for emerging democracies," Kaciban said. Class topics range from "human dignity" - how to treat a crime suspect - to undercover operations and fraud. April's bombing of the federal building in Oklahoma City is being used as an example in several classes. In "crisis management," students will learn "how to contain it (a crisis) and keep it from erupting," said instructor Stephen Brooks, who helped handle the Oklahoma City bombing. Big-scale bombings are not common to this part of the world, students said. But they said they learned a lot about how to fight organized crime, which is mushrooming in the aftermath of the fall of communism. "They told they have a lot of problems (with organized crime), and that it's better if we learn from their mistakes," said Hungarian student Vilmos Szeplaki. Organized crime is doubly damaging to the emerging nations, because it undermines their economies, Kaciban said. Investors are naturally reluctant to dump money into a nation if they believe there is rampant corruption. Some teachings do not translate for the European students. For example, there is no Russian RICO - the Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act that is one of the strongest American legal tools against organized crime. Eastern European crime syndicates tend not to be based in crime families, instructors said. And organized crime in Russia and Ukraine is so much a part of the society, that it's hard to stop it, said Amy O'Neil, a State Department official not involved in the ILEA. "Under the communist system, you basically did what you could get away with. Everyone broke laws," O'Neil said. "That's how you survived." Both students and teachers said there was a remarkable similarity, however, in the use of evidence and investigatory tools among the countries. Eastern Europeans are very familiar with the use of DNA testing, for example, to identify suspects, although they don't always have the money to do it, Burwitzsaid."There are different orders of laws between the U.S. and here," said a Czech student who would identify himself only as Milan. "But essentially, we have the same methods of investigation." * * * Susan Milligan <susan.milligan(a)magnet.hu> is a free-lance writer and stringer for the Boston Globe, the San Francisco Examiner, Business Central Europe and Hollywood Reporter.

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Re: [NOISE] Chi Sun Times SS# Sweepstakes
by Lynne L. Harrison 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 10:54 AM 11/27/95 -0600, Alex Strasheim wrote: >The Chicago Sun-Times is running a contest in which readers are asked to >send in their social security numbers. Someone will win a cash prize >after a random drawing. > >I can't figure out the angle on this. If they simply want to run a >promotional contest, why are they asking for ssn's? If there's an >ulterior motive, what is it? Are they going to sell the list? Would they >have a use for it themselves? Alex - There may be *an ulterior motive* of getting the person's ssn, i.e., for the purpose of the newspaper (and the winner) reporting winnings to IRS. In addition, the newspaper may also feel that, in selecting a 10-digit number, it probably will not repeat such as someone's birthdate. Personally, I lean towards the former. > >The frustrating thing is that there are probably many millions of >Americans who will give away the keys to the store for next to nothing. >The feds probably made a tactical error: instead of trying to force >mandatory key escrow down our throats, they ought to have offered everyone >who is willing to submit to voluntary escrow a chance to win a Chrysler >Minivan. I agree with you. I believe *greed* is the operating word.... Regards- Lynne ******************************************************* Lynne L. Harrison, Esq. | "The key to life: Poughkeepsie, New York | - Get up; E-mail: | - Survive; lharrison(a)mhv.net | - Go to bed." *******************************************************

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SAC_lam
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

11-25-95. Washrag: "Hacking Away at the Internet's Web. Security Concerns Grow as Saboteurs Target On-Line Sites." Computer hackers are turning their unwelcome attentions to the World Wide Web. Web sites are among the easiest places on the Internet to disrupt and sabotage, experts say, in part because many of the people who set up such displays pay little attention to security. Such unprotected systems located outside of a secure network are often called "sacrificial lambs," noted a manager at Trusted Information Systems Inc. SAC_lam (8 kb)

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Re: Junk E-Mail - Part 4
by anonymous-remailer＠shell.portal.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Thu, 23 Nov 1995, James M. Cobb wrote: > BRUSSELS/LONDON - SELLING - A ban on telephone "cold > calling" throughout the European Union was on Tuesday > approved by Euro-MPs, to the consternation of direct mar- > keting and distance selling organisations. In a move de- > signed to spare people from what MEPs consider to be ir- > ritating telephone calls, a key parliamentary committee > voted to make prior consent from consumers obligatory > before a seller can approach them by telephone. > > The proposed ban also applies to communications by e- > mail, raising fears among publishing organisations that > the development of the information society in Europe could > be damaged. I think that there are significantly different standards and expectations outside the borders of the United States, than inside. Can you imagine the unmitigated "gall" of Euro-MPs in protecting the public rather than caving in to direct marketing special interest groups?? Goodness ... how archaic. The next thing those Europeans are going to do is something really strange and un-American, like having television commercials broadcast in between TV programs -- broadcast only after a show is over. Finished. Those Europeans just might not allow commercials to be woven in between scenes of a 20-minute sitcom. They might say, before and after ... and that's it. I mean this idea that advertising is "pollution" might start to catch on in certain European quarters. > Ban fear, for we have nothing to fear but fear itself. Heavens, no. Than again, I'm waiting for the day that the NY Times allows advertising on its op-ed page. Or for that matter the Washington Post in its online edition. Alice de 'nonymous ... ...just another one of those... P.S. This post is in the public domain. C. S. U. M. O. C. L. U. N. E.

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establishing trust
by Carl Ellison 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>From khijol!erc(a)uunet.uu.net Thu Nov 23 16:21 EST 1995 >From: "Ed Carp [khijol SysAdmin]" <khijol!erc(a)uunet.uu.net> ..so..why the UUCP style address? >Subject: Re: crypto for porno users >To: khijol!clark.net!cme(a)uunet.uu.net (Carl Ellison) >Date: Thu, 23 Nov 1995 15:57:17 -0600 (CST) >Cc: khijol!got.net!edge(a)uunet.uu.net, khijol!toad.com!cypherpunks(a)uunet.uu.net > >totally different from this "web of trust" I keep hearing about - and that is >*it*. Do you trust me any more now than before I started signing my postings? Actually, in my view, signed postings are the first step. With those (and the right S/W (not there yet)), I get to know that a bunch of postings came from the same person. I even know who they came from: the person who is capable of signing with key 0xXXXXXXXX. Since the only way I have of getting to know the person is through those postings, I get to know that person and through that knowledge I decide whether or not to trust. And, yes, I can be fooled. - Carl +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ |Carl M. Ellison cme(a)acm.org http://www.clark.net/pub/cme | |PGP: E0414C79B5AF36750217BC1A57386478 & 61E2DE7FCB9D7984E9C8048BA63221A2 | | ``Officer, officer, arrest that man! He's whistling a dirty song.'' | +---------------------------------------------- Jean Ellison (aka Mother) -+

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Re: Spam the Sign!
by jimbell＠pacifier.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Jeff Simmons <jsimmons(a)goblin.punk.net> said... >Then suppose you hand software to MIT to put on its export-controlled ftp >site (which would seem to follow your requirements to take reasonable >precautions to observe the ITAR, etc.) and you don't do the nudge, nudge, >wink, wink - BUT you know that it's going to be available on major ftp >sites in Europe within a few hours anyway. The intent to export isn't >there, but the export occurs anyway. Is it the intent, or the knowledge >that's important? > >Obviously the intent, or the MIT server would be in jail. > >So I demonstrate lack of intent to export, by following MIT's model when I >set up my own 'export controlled' ftp server. Am I safe? Or do I need >a note from the NSA or somebody to do this? And if I do need somebody or >something's 'permission', and they refuse to give it, aren't they using >ITAR to restrict the distribution domestically? Do I have any options in >this case other than to give up? > >Or, to bring it down to a practical question, what's stopping Netscape? How >does Netscape setting up an 'export controlled' ftp site based on the MIT >version lead to one of their executives going to jail? > >I have the feeling that we're talking about two different things here - the >law as it's practiced in the courtroom and the law as it's practiced on the >'streets'. Obviously, the fact that I feel I'm doing something 'legal' >won't help much if the government decides to do a Phil Zimmerman on me. >But I would be interested in your comments. I very much agree with the direction you appear to be headed in. It seems to me that Netscape should have no problem devising some sort of scenario in which such a program eventually gets onto the nets, but in a way that is squeaky clean, at least for THEM. In addition, why should they even need to write the encrytion part of their software IN the US? It occurs to me that one way to do this might be to send one of their programmers to a conveniently-located place, such as Vancouver BC , Montreal Canada, or a few other nearby places, with a great deal of fanfare, and tell him to "write some crypto." He does, and brings it back into the US with him, leaving a copy of it "outside" the country for international distribution.

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Bitbux could eliminate some domestic currencies?
by John Gilmore 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 17:35:39 -0500 From: Dave Farber <farber(a)central.cis.upenn.edu> Subject: IP: cybercash! Holy Mackeral, Andy! To: interesting-people(a)eff.org (interesting-people mailing list) >From a letter in [My dog, I mean my software, ate this part of the msg -- gnu] "Sir, Prof Alec Chrystal ... argues that because cash is unimportant, its replacement by smart cards will have little impact. However, cash is virtually the only kind of money issued by government (in the UK, more than 99 per cent). If a government cannot issue cash because e-money facilitates the use of another country's currency for domestic transactions, it will lose virtually all its seignorage. The government will have to issue some =A323 billion extra gilts and then pay about =A32 billion every year in= extra interest. "Moreover, cash circulates much more quickly than bank deposits (it has a high velocity-adjusted weight). Cash was used for almost 15 billion retail transactions in the UK in 1993, versus 4 billion for all other methods. So the currency in which retail transactions is priced is in practice determined by the denomination of cash. E-money would threaten this dominance, allowing people to stop using domestic currency completely (other than for paying taxes). "The importance of e-money replacing cash is greater than possible effects on exchange rates. Rather, it might make certain currencies to all intents and purposes disappear." Giles Keating head of global economics CS First Boston London, UK

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Re: PROPOSAL: cypherpunks-news@toad.com? (was: rand-test)
by post＠txcc.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 01:28 PM 11/22/95 -0500, you wrote: > >A.Back(a)exeter.ac.uk writes: >> It is much more efficient of list bandwidth to post short pointers >> only, of the style John Young <jya(a)pipeline.com> posts. > >I agree with you. John's posts are not always strictly on topic but >they are always just pointers, and he typically posts them in a single >group a day. They are also always very high quality information. I >find them to be perfectly fine. > >The recent "Friend;" stuff just annoyed me, though. > >Perry > > I agree with you. Sid

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