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Lucrative update
by Patrick 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

Lucrative release 4 is out. I know many people are used to seeing releases numbered like "0.000001", "0.000002", "2.0.3.0.14.657" etc. but release numbering systems are essentially arbitrary in nature so don't get excited as Lucrative goes toward version 50+. This release is a fairly minor one, but included some changes such as the client name that I wanted to get out as soon as possible. There is also a new development weblog at http://lucrative.thirdhost.com/weblog/. I went through an install with someone over IRC last night and made a blog entry summarizing the install notes. I recommend reading the notes before attempting an install. I am glad to help with an install, drop me a note at patrick(a)lfcgate.com if you have trouble. Some documentation on the various entities in the Lucrative system is now available on the website, http://lucrative.thirdhost.com/documentation.php but more is needed and coming. If Lucrative is interesting to you, please consider helping in any way you can: Feedback Installation reports Suggestions Comments Criticism Feature requests Source code patches Donations Are all very much welcomed. And criticism is more useful to me than praise. My sincere thanks to everyone who has participated so far by installing, testing, providing feedback, spreading the word, and donating. And finally I just received word from SourceForge that the project registration for Lucrative has been approved. Regards, Patrick -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.3 for non-commercial use <http://www.pgp.com> mQGiBD5ECKcRBADUvjXHwLtxIyS4AyjBs/dFtN6rdeP18Fhzh1hD5fJwkFevqY9Z I1ASROTh6eXYF7pU5sEvbcPshHyTB41ZtTqZvQvpwWN0fUzOuutuI0mtC5UPp9Rz j47SdWLdEXNHjwnHDCYSyqtqZu8GujGRQybR0eP3NIh/NwbSDUKdgz7IjwCg//Jo UtjP3zUFobm/0UYA+CJ5krED/091x9Js0gwNwvjbzM8DqO+r8qNz0kXI13FkrPRk QNd37lxt6m2m8HZD1WYM2wKwtMzHSwJcWzaDZ/tNc+ppYjzpw0EQCh9FqjGs8Vau guF6PA1M8lJTCcLKaL4e7ynic+PAw5Xa/tdOYgFCG+eLMU5RLvzRCYoOLIjgMJLJ yG98BACAMlDmFVYgC/UKvzZmHfZ5CtCKd8sPfCXrYLu5NeFRE0LR6D6zjzmhi1xX okfreR5o3T/y78VBM98js+m2/+7Z0AElqydeW/RnV1zqwDGjDr9z2MgARf3yLAbs n3BU8Fz61RwvHy6cRkT+2dR2f69QQUSpkupvLwZIGX/iwm4uKLQdUGF0cmljayA8 cGF0cmlja0BsZmNnYXRlLmNvbT6JAE4EEBECAA4FAj5ECKcECwMCAQIZAQAKCRBb mvb9yuOVfaA2AKDAu5tDj9F2KI8cJMrKKkQRAcUyxACg6/bei7lUJH+E5igJqGRx SjKrRA65BA0EPkQIpxAQAPkYoH5aBmF6Q5CV3AVsh4bsYezNRR8O2OCjecbJ3HoL rOQ/40aUtjBKU9d8AhZIgLUV5SmZqZ8HdNP/46HFliBOmGW42A3uEF2rthccUdhQ yiJXQym+lehWKzh4XAvb+ExN1eOqRsz7zhfoKp0UYeOEqU/Rg4Soebbvj6dDRgjG zB13VyQ4SuLE8OiOE2eXTpITYfbb6yUOF/32mPfIfHmwch04dfv2wXPEgxEmK0Ng w+Po1gr9oSgmC66prrNlD6IAUwGgfNaroxIe+g8qzh90hE/K8xfzpEDp19J3tkIt AjbBJstoXp18mAkKjX4t7eRdefXUkk+bGI78KqdLfDL2Qle3CH8IF3KiutapQvMF 6PlTETlPtvFuuUs4INoBp1ajFOmPQFXz0AfGy0OplK33TGSGSfgMg71l6RfUodNQ +PVZX9x2Uk89PY3bzpnhV5JZzf24rnRPxfx2vIPFRzBhznzJZv8V+bv9kV7HAarT W56NoKVyOtQa8L9GAFgr5fSI/VhOSdvNILSd5JEHNmszbDgNRR0PfIizHHxbLY72 88kjwEPwpVsYjY67VYy4XTjTNP18F1dDox0YbN4zISy1Kv884bEpQBgRjXyEpwpy 1obEAxnIByl6ypUM2Zafq9AKUJsCRtMIPWakXUGfnHy9iUsiGSa6q6Jew1XrPdYX AAICD/wKwtF7Y4NKBe8PQ6jDbjWziiTv9Ac/EnRTJDQEoqgLa2LyE+6Ahw/VPGvp mfxkD2MKxC9E7kYVmasn6sHnSpvAv3e7O1Bqbo/qLzzCcJQ5VCurZ+elRM1GZ4Oc fM19FPKutb0/JFEv0nrqS4BGkF7WFBbu5dKYl/GIO7Co1mAerFIb719dOwMPVEIz OT08u8uB9jyR8gEElf+CVuNfOUkrUGg4HS4SbmTTrCSz3/8n5PkquSuAyjCB/dwM ZsZwA0/TTR8sDYlmlf9xPj5PGpGnV9OUwfig6eE0eWtRFeasmz0uiX+yp45ABtNh 6EXP/PFaBgXi9omXXjeeFYfpDvmfA6izvTIQfXTV6V9ZWrBfXarM+GQ+6guXWVbd 9fXvmCr982LkzuKQrK1OpRXBMUapXL+tOy/LYzz91InqKKhgPNGa12fvotZ4LzlM iqoM+Hpz5L9B5We1Ph0lD6RBVXDCqd+P8extnY/7AaDy7tC0UghaAaUuEZXJQPIc oQ3QGbpjM0nGe/VZN5EZhljau0NNENFaU56cOpvOhcO04gLGNNc2NS+rIpTMsaHh o1CG90c5zZZJuUbyx0mIHriNQXDgEwunSZPQorKK9KSppyyjeuOyi5F/mBBPXeyT weLhLqLvAr9se/+Z3aQvMADJi8zUZtGggLTw+N9R5XSwtSh2R4kARgQYEQIABgUC PkQIpwAKCRBbmvb9yuOVfWayAKC+mBhHdn1XZ5uH0RocAyJ32hx2kgCePyhB+IqM TjWLDLarQxcPYhbkFi4= =nx1M -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- --- end forwarded text -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)ibuc.com> The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' --------------------------------------------------------------------- The Cryptography Mailing List Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe cryptography" to majordomo(a)wasabisystems.com

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Announcement 5th APES Workshop
by Claudia Diaz 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

Dear, we are happy to announce the 5th Anonymity and Privacy in Electronic Services Workshop. In the first part of the workshop, we will have two invited talks (by Jan Camenisch and Dogan Kesdogan). During the second part, the research partners of APES will present the results of the last year. You are kindly invited to attend. In order to estimate the number of participants, we ask you to register by sending an email to Pila Noe (Pela.Noe(a)esat.kuleuven.ac.be) Feel free to forward this email to anyone who may be interested on the topic. For more information on this project, you may look at the APES website (https://www.cosic.esat.kuleuven.ac.be/apes) 5th APES WORKSHOP ----------------- Date: Tuesday, November 23rd Location: Auditorium A (ESAT, K.U. Leuven) Kasteelpark Arenberg 10 B-3001 Leuven-Heverlee, Belgium Fee: Free of charge. We kindly ask you to register in advance by sending an email to our secretary Pila Noe (Pela.Noe(a)esat.kuleuven.ac.be) AGENDA ------ 13:00-13:10 Welcome and Introduction by Bart Preneel (COSIC/KULeuven) 13:10-13:50 Invited talk: "Security and Privacy for E-Transactions" by Jan Camenisch (IBM Zurich Research Laboratory) 13:50-14:30 Invited talk: "Personal risk management" by Dogan Kesdogan (University of Aachen) 14:30-14:50 Coffee break 14:50-15:30 Anonymous communication infrastructure by Claudia Diaz (COSIC/KULeuven) 15:30-16:10 Controlled anonymous email by Vincent Naessens (DISTRINET/KULAK) 16:10-16:30 Controlled anonymous databases by Svetla Nikova (COSIC/KULeuven) _______________________________________________ NymIP-res-group mailing list NymIP-res-group(a)nymip.org http://www.nymip.org/mailman/listinfo/nymip-res-group --- end forwarded text -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)ibuc.com> The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

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Re: [IP] I strongly afree with this djf Google search and
by Lee Tien 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

seizure For IP if you wish. Libraries have long sought to protect circulation records out of concern for both privacy and freedom to read. Libraries and the American Library Association have been openly fighting government orders for their records. See http://www.komotv.com/news/story.asp?ID=33363 ("Small Town Library Takes On The Feds") and http://www.ctlibrarians.org/news/patriotact.html (discussing Connecticut library NSL case) Indeed, some libraries have instituted records purging policies to protect against government subpoenas. http://www.infoshop.org/alibrarians/public_html/article.php? story=03/08/01/5059833 http://www.fhsu.edu/forsyth_lib/copyright/PatriotActFAQs.shtml ("While there are some service benefits to keeping detailed records, the risks of compromising your privacy outweigh these benefits. Therefore, we are planning to purge all patron records with your personally identifiable information on them once the materials are returned and the fines are paid.") What about search engines? The data retention issue is only getting worse from a privacy standpoint; the EU is moving toward mandatory telecom traffic data retention. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/12/02/ap/world/ mainD8E8BKK00.shtml >BRUSSELS, Belgium, Dec. 2, 2005 >(AP) European justice and interior ministers agreed Friday on plans >binding telecommunications companies to retain records of phone >call and e-mails for a minimum of six months for use in >investigations into terrorism and other serious crimes. For more on EU data retention, see http://www.statewatch.org/eu-data- retention.htm Lee At 1:47 PM -0500 12/3/05, David Farber wrote: >Begin forwarded message: > >From: "Richard M. Smith" <rms(a)computerbytesman.com> >Date: December 3, 2005 8:57:59 AM EST >To: EPIC_IDOF(a)mailman.epic.org >Subject: [EPIC_IDOF] Google search and seizure > >http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/ >2005/12/03/ >google_search_and_seizure?mode=PF > >Google search and seizure >By Robert Kuttner | December 3, 2005 >The Boston Globe > >THE NEW York Times recently reported that in a North Carolina >strangulation-murder trial, prosecutors introduced as evidence the >fact that >the defendant's Google searches had included the words ''neck" and >''snap." >The Times noted that the evidence had come from the defendant's home >computer, but could just as easily have come from Google. > >Google's whole business-model includes keeping track of users' >searches by >putting ''cookies" (tracking devices) on users' own computers, and >then >using the results to customize ad offerings that pop up when we use >their >ingenious free search service. > >In the era of the misnamed USA Patriot Act, which allows >warrantless police >searches that are not even disclosed to the target, Google plus >Dick Cheney >is a recipe for undoing the liberties for which the original >patriots of the >American Revolution bled and died. Under the Patriot Act, anyone >suspected >of enabling terrorism can be subjected to these fishing expeditions. >Depending on a prosecutor's whims, that includes all of us. > >In the 18th-century era of star-chamber courts and despotic >monarchs, the US >Constitution put an end to government as prosecutor, judge, and jury. >Unreasonable searches and seizures were explicitly prohibited by >the Sixth >Amendment. People (not just citizens) were guaranteed the right to >confront >their accusers and to know the charges against them. There were no >''national security" loopholes. > >Google's internal slogan is, charmingly, ''Don't be evil." Well, the >interaction of cyber-snooping and the unreasonable searches >authorized by >the Patriot Act is pure evil. > >Herewith an idea that I am putting into the public domain, which >could make >some computer-whiz a billionaire: One of Google's competitors could >guarantee users of its search engines that all data keeping track of >searches will be permanently discarded after 24 hours. The search >process >could still learn a broad pattern of users' purchasing tastes, if >we wish to >be party to a bargain of being marketed to in exchange for the >convenience >of free searches. > >The same libertarian computer entrepreneur could offer e-mail >software, in >which old messages are permanently erased unless the user >deliberately opts >to retain them. > >Google, like Microsoft and IBM before it, may be the current market >leader >in whiz-bang technology based on sheer inventive genius. But if >Google is >not careful, some competitor with a genuine regard for privacy could >displace it. > >We all grew up vaguely knowing that 20th century technology, under >fairly >narrow circumstances, could invade privacy. The phone company kept >track of >everyone's calling records. These could be subpoenaed. Prosecutors and >detectives, with warrants approved by judges, could deploy telephone >wiretaps. There were occasional abuses, as in the witch hunts of >the 1950s, >but for the most part these technological invasions of privacy were >used >against bad guys, not for broad fishing expeditions. And there was >no e-mail >and no Google. > >Today, however, the explosion of computer technology coupled with the >discarding of prosecutorial restraints is leading to a Big-Brother >society. >Unless we pay attention, the technology is so seductive that we become >enablers of our own enslavement. > >The universal information that is so empowering could be enslaving in >another respect. Check out a little satire available on the >Internet titled >EPIC 2014. It is a short, dystopian picture of the next 10 years. > >EPIC stands for the Evolving Personalized Information Construct. In >this >grim view of the near future, Google merges with Amazon and becomes >''Google-zon," the ultimate information market monopoly. > >By 2014, the press as we know it no longer exists. Google-zon >usurps the >press's advertising base by ultra-customizing all ads. There is no >longer >the traditional craft of reporter or editor. Newspapers go out of >business >or become small niche products. > >''Everyone contributes now -- from blog entries to phone-cam >images, to >video reports, to full investigations," the video says. Everyone is >a news >producer as well as a news consumer, and it's almost impossible to >differentiate journalism from junk. Computers strip and splice >items, based >on each user's past interests, pattern of use, and declared >preferences. >News is prioritized according to how many users read each item. Ads >are >similarly customized. We are universally connected, but universally >fragmented and universally vulnerable to misinformation and >government and >commercial snooping. > >The marketplace may solve this dilemma by offering privacy-sensitive >products, but entrepreneurs may also make the problem worse. The >moment >cries out for political as well as commercial leadership. > >Correction: Last week's column referred to Warren Tolman. It should >have >been Steven Tolman. > >Robert Kuttner, co-editor of The American Prospect, can be reached at >kuttner(a)prospect.org. His column appears regularly in the Globe. > >_______________________________________________ >EPIC_IDOF mailing list >EPIC_IDOF(a)mailman.epic.org >https://mailman.epic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/epic_idof > > >------------------------------------- >You are subscribed as tien(a)well.sf.ca.us >To manage your subscription, go to > http://v2.listbox.com/member/?listname=ip > >Archives at: http://www.interesting-people.org/archives/interesting- >people/ -- ********************************** ... it is poor civic hygiene to install technologies that could someday facilitate a police state. -- Bruce Schneier Lee Tien Senior Staff Attorney Electronic Frontier Foundation 454 Shotwell Street San Francisco, CA 94110 (415) 436-9333 x 102 (tel) (415) 436-9993 (fax) tien(a)eff.org ------------------------------------- You are subscribed as eugen(a)leitl.org To manage your subscription, go to http://v2.listbox.com/member/?listname=ip Archives at: http://www.interesting-people.org/archives/interesting-people/ ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> http://leitl.org ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/pgp-signature which had a name of signature.asc]

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[IP] more on I strongly afree with this djf Google search and
by David Farber 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

seizure X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Reply-To: dave(a)farber.net Begin forwarded message:

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[drone-list] North Dakota Sheriff's Dept preparing to deploy UAVs
by Gregory Foster 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

@sUASnews (Mar 4) - "Grand Forks Sheriff's Department launching UAS program" by Chris Bieri of @GFHerald: http://www.suasnews.com/2012/03/12582/grand-forks-sheriff%E2%80%99s-departm… It looks like the Grand Forks Herald has been reporting a LOT of articles about UAS's: http://www.grandforksherald.com/event/search/order/date/keywords/UAS In part, that must be because the University of North Dakota has embraced the opportunity to become a locus for research, education, and training for unmanned aircraft systems: http://www.uasresearch.com/home.aspx It is therefore appropriate that The Center for UAS Research, Education and Training's homepage prominently features an image of a Department of Homeland Security Customs and Border Protection General Atomics MQ-9 Reaper "Predator B" drone, as five of DHS's seven MQ-9's are based in North Dakota at the Grand Forks Air Force Base: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Atomics_MQ-9_Reaper#US_Homeland_Securi… In December, Brian Bennett [ @thingsblowup ] of the LA Times reported " Local police say they have used two unarmed Predators based at Grand Forks Air Force Base to fly at least two dozen surveillance flights since June" in the first widely reported case of American citizens being arrested by local authorities with the assistance of drone surveillance provided by federal authorities upon request from a local law enforcement agency: http://articles.latimes.com/2011/dec/10/nation/la-na-drone-arrest-20111211 On September 13, 2010, North Dakota Senator Byron L. Dorgan convened a field hearing "at 8 a.m. in the Red River Valley Room of the Memorial Union, University of North Dakota, Grand Forks" on the subject of "The Integration of Unmanned Aircraft Systems (UASs) Into the National Airspace System (NAS): Fulfilling Imminent Operational and Training Requirements". North Dakota Representative Earl Pomeroy was also in attendance, helping convene a check-in meeting to spur cooperation between the FAA and Defense officials. Secrecy News' Steven Aftergood [ @saftergood ] archived a copy of the complete transcript of the meeting, including all statements by witnesses and prepared testimony included in the record: http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/2010_hr/uas.html Senator Dorgan described the context for the meeting in his opening statement, The hearing is about the subject of unmanned aerial vehicles, and most particularly, the issue of training and operations for UAVs in this region. Grand Forks and this region of North Dakota is slated to become a major UAV center. We will have the Predators and the Global Hawks. We'll have fleets of Global Hawks and Predators stationed here at the Grand Forks Air Force Base. We have Homeland Security, which flies UAVs here. The University of North Dakota Center for Aerospace Science is designated by law and in the DOD descriptions as the center for UAV research. I did that because we fly unmanned aerial vehicles in all kinds of weather, and I had visited Nellis and Creach a number of times and discovered they do quite well when it's warm, flying over desert sand, but they'll be flying them in other areas of the country as well, and the world, and having a center for research of UAVs here, connected to the Air Force and the University of North Dakota, one of the--probably the preeminent aviation school in the world, just made a lot of sense. The Senator goes on to describe reasons for convening the meeting and mentions a kickoff roundtable discussion 19 months earlier: Here at the University of North Dakota, at the Center for Research for UAVs, there's a lot of work going on, on sensitive technologies and radar and so on, on just this very subject. About a year ago, February 16, 2009, we met in this room, not in a hearing, but in a roundtable discussion, and we had a very substantial discussion about what needed to be done and the timelines to do it, in which to create routine training and operation capability for UAVs here in this region. We had the Air Force and the FAA talk about creating a working group, and from that meeting, a working group was created and has been working between then and now. The February 2009 confluence of "Federal and state dignitaries" in Grand Forks coincided with the opening of the U.S. Customs and Border Protection Unmanned Aircraft Operations Center of North Dakota. http://www.cbp.gov/xp/cgov/newsroom/news_releases/archives/2009_news_releas… The reason for the presence of drones in Grand Forks can be dated to 2005, when then-Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld issued a " report to the Base Realignment and Closure (BRAC) Commission [which] noted the strategic importance of maintaining an air base in the north central United States and specifically cited the Grand Forks base for an 'emerging mission' involving UAVs, the fastest growing mission area in the Air Force." http://conrad.senate.gov/pressroom/record.cfm?id=276203 In the Defense Base Closure and Realignment Commission's Final Report to the President (Sep 8 2005), page 151 (Chapter 1, "Air Force") indicates the Grand Forks Air Force Base mission was realigned from a KC-135 tanker hub "to include the Department of Defensebs intent to bed down a family of Unmanned Aerial Vehicles (UAVs)": http://www.brac.gov/finalreport.html The drones have had nests prepared to come home to roost for quite some time, much longer than might be gauged by the amount of welcome attention garnered by a controversial Congressional mandate in the FAA Reauthorization and Reform Act of 2012: " Not later than 270 days after the date of enactment of this Act [(February 13, 2012)], the Secretary of Transportation, in consultation with representatives of the aviation industry, Federal agencies that employ unmanned aircraft systems technology in the national airspace system, and the unmanned aircraft systems industry, shall develop a comprehensive plan to safely accelerate the integration of civil unmanned aircraft systems into the national airspace system." http://www.fas.org/sgp/news/2012/02/faa-uas.html http://www.opencongress.org/bill/112-h658/show It is important to understand the scope of the bureaucratic inertia (and agility) that has been painstakingly transformed into kinetic motion over time as well as the actors involved, their dispositions, and constraints (or lack thereof). The unmanned aircraft systems industry is represented first and foremost by the Association for Unmanned Vehicle Systems International [ @auvsi ] which lobbies Congress (and presumably other "government, industry, and academia" officials) on behalf of its more than 7,000 members and "2,100 member organizations from 60 allied countries": <http://www.auvsi.org/home/aboutus/>http://www.auvsi.org/home/aboutus/ Lobbyists from AUVSI frequently speak with elected officials, 53 of whom are members of the Congressional Unmanned Systems Caucus [ @CUSCaucus ], co-chaired by Representatives Howard P. "Buck" McKeon (R-CA-25) and Henry Cuellar (D-TX-28): http://unmannedsystemscaucus.mckeon.house.gov/ Representative Buck McKeon also speaks directly to AUVSI members, as in his keynote at the AUVSI Unmanned Systems Program Review (Feb 7-9), here documented by Zaid Jilani of Republic Report: http://www.republicreport.org/2012/mckeon-drone-lobby-speech/ http://www.auvsi.org/events/auvsievents/auvsisunmannedsystemsprogramreview/… During his keynote, CodePink co-founder @MedeaBenjamin interrupted the proceedings and was forcibly removed. "War Bucks" McKeon, unruffled, continued: " Wouldnbt we all like to cut our swords, and pull our ploughshares and live in total world peace? Ibll tell ya, it's not...thatbs not happening." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsLLVW88k20<http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/the-dewline/2011/08/hijacked-by-code-pink…> http://www.latimes.com/business/money/la-fi-mo-mckeon-auvsi-drone-20120208,… Finally, returning to the theme of the original link, here is a list of all currently planned upcoming AUVSI events, including a webinar March 14th titled "UAVs Take to the Sky for Law Enforcement": http://www.auvsi.org/AUVSI/Events/Calendar/?ShowAsList=True gf -- Gregory Foster || gfoster(a)entersection.org @gregoryfoster<> http://entersection.com/ _______________________________________________ drone-list mailing list drone-list(a)lists.stanford.edu Should you need to change your subscription options, please go to: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/drone-list If you would like to receive a daily digest, click "yes" (once you click above) next to "would you like to receive list mail batched in a daily digest?" You will need the user name and password you receive from the list moderator in monthly reminders. Should you need immediate assistance, please contact the list moderator. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> http://leitl.org ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com http://postbiota.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE

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by Jim Choate 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

> It causes the photons emitted at the same time from the source to be > received at different time, this interupts the ability of the receiver to > correlate (i.e. verify coherence) them into a recognizable picture. Huh? The photons from my TV screen arrive all at different times, and yet the picture is pretty good :) Mark

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by Jim Choate 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

> It causes the photons emitted at the same time from the source to be > received at different time, this interupts the ability of the receiver to > correlate (i.e. verify coherence) them into a recognizable picture. Huh? The photons from my TV screen arrive all at different times, and yet the picture is pretty good :) Mark

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by Jim Choate 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

> It causes the photons emitted at the same time from the source to be > received at different time, this interupts the ability of the receiver to > correlate (i.e. verify coherence) them into a recognizable picture. Huh? The photons from my TV screen arrive all at different times, and yet the picture is pretty good :) Mark

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by Jim Choate 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

> It causes the photons emitted at the same time from the source to be > received at different time, this interupts the ability of the receiver to > correlate (i.e. verify coherence) them into a recognizable picture. Huh? The photons from my TV screen arrive all at different times, and yet the picture is pretty good :) Mark

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by Jim Choate 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

> It causes the photons emitted at the same time from the source to be > received at different time, this interupts the ability of the receiver to > correlate (i.e. verify coherence) them into a recognizable picture. Huh? The photons from my TV screen arrive all at different times, and yet the picture is pretty good :) Mark

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