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Re: Title VII v. Liberty
by jamiel＠sybase.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 4:30 PM 9/9/94, Joe Turner wrote: >I just get really frustrated when I hear about <insert group here> is being >discriminated against. More often then not its just used as a justification >for government funding, an excuse for a light prision sentence, or to gather >a few liberal votes at the polling place. I have never felt that whinning >about discrimination or making excuses will get you anywhere. Oh, Christ. -j -- "Blah Blah Blah" ___________________________________________________________________ Jamie Lawrence <jamiel(a)sybase.com>

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Copulating Camels and Digital Cash
by frissell＠panix.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

This week's Economist has one (or rather two) of the subject items on the cover and an article on the other inside. Also one on "Doing Business on the Net." DCF

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Cyphernomicon - Critical Acclaim!
by nobody＠shell.portal.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Critical Acclaim for the Cyphernomicon ! ---------------------------------------- "My dusty old tomes were showing their age, but the Cyphernomicon has given me a new lease on life. It's going to be fun!" - Old Ned "I think he's trying to confuse us. Don't believe a word he says." Fission Chips "Enlightening." - The King in Yellow "I liked the part about trust." - Ronald Reagan "Now I understand why Lucy always yanked the football away from me." Charlie Brown "I fear for T. C. May's soul." - Jerry Falwell "What a stupid jerk I've been!" - Ollie North "It's nothing but words. No swords, horsemen, or foot soldiers. He doesn't scare me!" - Attilla the Hun "Stay tuned for the blueprint of the next century. But first, Page Two ..." - Paul Harvey "This is a terrible document! I detest it ... and I'm printing a copy for all my friends." - Rush Limbaugh "I am recommending that we ban public use of assault keys, and that only appropriate Federal agencies be allowed to use them." - Janet Reno "I resent his appropriation of the term 'BlackNet'!" - Jesse Jackson "It's nothing really. I've communicated with pseudonyms for years." Miss Manners "That's how we _should_ have done our real estate deals!" Hillary Rodham Clinton "Here are the top ten reasons why you should read the Cyphernomicon ..." David Letterman "What a lucrative market Mr. May has shown! Nobody will ever know how much this means to me." - Bill Gates "He made it all perfectly clear, except perhaps the chapter on anonymity and remailers." - Richard Nixon "If I had had this book, they would be naming high schools after me." Richard Nixon "What, me worry?" - Alfred E. Neuman "Pull my thumb ... if you can find it! Heh heh heh." - Beavis & Butthead

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Societies & Your Health
by blancw＠pylon.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Responding to msg by Doug Cutrell: "Blanc seems to be concerned principally with the soundness and health of the business entity." Well, if you mean that I was defending the prerogative of a corporate entity against an angry mob of voters descending upon it to coerce services from it, health (& safety!) is the concern. But actually I was taking your argument of equal fairness and noting that voters who responded that way to a denial of service would be expecting automatic beneficence, without considering the means to the end: if there is no existing service, there is no one to coerce into providing it. The voting public which bands together to use coercion takes services & benefits for granted, without any respect for the source. " I am not sure whether Blanc would hold that businesses should be free to engage in racist hiring policies if that is their decision...." Since I wouldn't claim to own either the corporations or the society within which they operate, I wouldn't presume to direct their hiring policies either. "The argument seems to be that in a free society, natural cooperative processes will provide a form of "autoregulation" to discourage the widespread development of oppression of specific classes of individuals." Societies, I hear tell, develop with the intent of deriving positive benefits from an association with people who want to interact with each other. In a "free" society, oppressed classes of individuals would be at liberty to leave to form their own, repressive arrangements and establish their own discriminative hiring policies. "....... imagine the development of a multitude of secret "crypto-posse" organizations. .......Organizations such as the KKK could accrue the financial support of large numbers of members to create strong social and economic pressures to oppress segments of the population. . . . . . " One thing I can say about this, is that there already exist a large number of this type of organization, and they are not very secret about it. In Bosnia, in Iran, in South America, in South Africa, et al. They suppress & decimate whole populations in full view. Perhaps if there were a larger number of secret organizations, they would target each other and kill each other off. The world could become one big, happy family of paranoids instead of just a horde of " nattering nabobs of negativism" ( is that an endangered species?). Blanc

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ITARs around the world
by rishab＠dxm.ernet.in 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

M.Gream(a)uts.EDU.AU (Matthew Gream): > [quoting alt.pgp.security] > I'm afraid I have to post a clarification to a clarification. I've just > been in contact with the relevant people at the Defence Signals > Directorate. It seems that regardless of advice obtained from other > departments and documentation that points to the contrary, there are > restrictive controls on software. Is the document mentioned the equivalent (with similar legal standing) of the US ITAR? When the Scandinavian countries join the EU next year, what will the implications for crypto be? France bans it, is there any EU policy proposal? Maybe crypto software should all be written by cheap programmers in Bangalore. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rishab Aiyer Ghosh "Clean the air! clean the sky! wash the wind! rishab(a)dxm.ernet.in take stone from stone and wash them..." Voice/Fax/Data +91 11 6853410 Voicemail +91 11 3760335 H 34C Saket, New Delhi 110017, INDIA

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Citizen-Unit Donald De-Certified
by rishab＠dxm.ernet.in 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

To all Certified Citizen-Units, We are most disappointed to inform you of the sad fate of a bright young Citizen-Unit, James A Donald. Citizen-Unit Donald has fallen prey to the increasingly common disease of incorrect thinking. He has actually suggested the possibility that this august and universally respected Board be replaced with what he calls a 'reputation' system. In his system, Citizen-Units would not be Certified by a central Board of Credentials, but would actually have 'reputations' - semi-certificates of approval by each Citizen-Unit. These reputations would be independent of any group of Citizen-Units, and would represent the trust placed by _individual_ Units in the recipient. In such a system, a wrong-thinking Unit may have a bad reputation with most people, but a good one with others! This suggestion seems dangerously close to pre-civilization tribal society, and makes the insupportable assumption that a Citizen-Unit knows what is best for itself. As we all know, any individual's opinions are hopelessly inadequate when compared with the Collective, as expressed by this Board. It is hoped that other Units will keep themselves away from such incorrect attitudes. Citizen-Unit Donald shall henceforth be treated as De-Certified. Citizen-Unit Rishab Ghosh, Senior Certifier, Central Board of Credentials and Certification ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rishab Aiyer Ghosh "Clean the air! clean the sky! wash the wind! rishab(a)dxm.ernet.in take stone from stone and wash them..." Voice/Fax/Data +91 11 6853410 Voicemail +91 11 3760335 H 34C Saket, New Delhi 110017, INDIA

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ITARs around the world
by usura＠vox.xs4all.nl 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

rishab(a)dxm.ernet.in writes: : M.Gream(a)uts.EDU.AU (Matthew Gream): : > [quoting alt.pgp.security] : > I'm afraid I have to post a clarification to a clarification. I've just : > been in contact with the relevant people at the Defence Signals : > Directorate. It seems that regardless of advice obtained from other : > departments and documentation that points to the contrary, there are : > restrictive controls on software. : : Is the document mentioned the equivalent (with similar legal standing) of the : US ITAR? : : When the Scandinavian countries join the EU next year, what will the : implications for crypto be? France bans it, is there any EU policy proposal? : The EU has published a plan of action for how to proceed into the informationsociety. -> COM(94) 347 def. Brussels, 19.07.1994 This document only states that: (translated from dutch, lousy english I know) The Commision plans, advised by a group of officials concerning the security of informationsystems, to make a proposal in september 1994 for requirements that encryption systems and signature verification systems must follow. [..] The Community will research the possiblities for cooperation in the field of encryption with third countries, notably the US. Other relevant publications are: -> COM(94) 128 def. COD 288 Brussels, 13.06.1994 ISDN and mobile networks (cellular for US folks) -> COM(92) 422 Outline of Privacy Protection [If you are in the EU, most University Law Libraries will have these documents, in the US or elsewhere one should look for an depository Library for EU publications] EnJoY -- Exit! Stage Left. Alex de Joode <usura(a)vox.hacktic.nl>

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Re: Crypto Anarchist Manifesto (location)
by Mark Grant 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Sat, 10 Sep 1994, Karl Lui Barrus wrote: > It is probably elsewhere too; I have an HTML version on the WWW at : http://www.c2.org/~mark/lib/ca.html feel free to add links to it from anywhere else... Mark

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Re: Black Cryptoanarchy (KKK, monopolies, contract killing)
by lcottrell＠popmail.ucsd.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- James A. Donald writes >Obviously if some individuals choose not to associate with some >group for irrational reasons it will harm those who so choose >more than it harms the group - but only the state can enforce >discrimination with guns, and it does, thus only state sponsored >discrimination is significant in practice. > Only the state can enforce discrimination with guns?!?!? In the South there is a long history of non-governmental groups enforcing discrimination with guns. The argument that discriminating companies will be at a competitive disadvantage is only valid if all players are rational and informed. There is good historical evidence that whole cultures are willing to assume this "disadvantage" in order to perpetuate some status quo. It could easily become the case than non-discriminating companies would be boycotted putting the disadvantage on them. I know that anarchy is near and dear to many hearts here, but there are some really nasty drawbacks to it tyranny of the majority being just one. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6 iQCVAwUBLnJR4VVkk3dax7hlAQGKGwP9EelH2mqmVDqQJ7k9a0ADGkJH+lkXzIBQ gImHALeHsYe5U7MKVbAyVVoRbDfUsEoRN2L1pJ7Yze1tJd3woPxpHspCmBZuYYqQ CMQSx9ly2RNtKa7hcoarHgxuLepBaMTcPE0ka8L79365kzTLplUH4N2a8QZ1tAQb BzHxy2GtRHE= =LQeH -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -------------------------------------------------- Lance Cottrell who does not speak for CASS/UCSD loki(a)nately.ucsd.edu PGP 2.6 key available by finger or server. "Love is a snowmobile racing across the tundra. Suddenly it flips over, pinning you underneath. At night the ice weasels come." --Nietzsche

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Crypto Anarchist Manifesto
by cwalton＠earthlink.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 2:48 PM 9/9/94 -0700, Timothy C. May wrote: > >Markets for assassinations--untraceable and unlinkable--have been a >topic of discussion for a long time. You'll find them explicitly >mentioned in my 1988 "Crypto Anarchist Manifesto." > >--Tim May > And is it possible to obtain a copy of your 1988 "Crypto Anarchist Manifesto."? Sounds like fun. FTP Site? ***************************************** Conrad Walton cwalton(a)earthlink.net ***************************************** Without JOY there can be no STRENGTH. Without STRENGTH, all other virtures are worthless. Edward Abbey

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