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Re: American People the relation to the Police
by Seth Oestreicher 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 09:34 AM 7/21/96 +0600, you wrote: >At 08:56 20/07/96 -0400, you wrote: >> Why >>is foreign aid allowed to continue when it is not allowed by the >>Constitution? (I could go on and on.....) > >Isn't there a gap between "not allowed" and "disallowed"? The >Constitution couldn't possibly have foreseen the problems of >today, and the global role the US plays (or seeks to). >Arun Mehta Phone +91-11-6841172, 6849103 amehta(a)cpsr.org >http://www.cerfnet.com/~amehta/ finger amehta(a)cerfnet.com for public key That's like saying the Bible is outdated because it was written several thousand years ago. If the law must change debate it, vote on it, and implement it. Don't circumvent it! I mean should we take away free speech because more people lie today than ever before in history? Or should we take away our religous rights because of the David Koresh's of the world? Should we take away the guns of the people because less than 30,000 people a year die of gunfire? (less than .01% of the nation!) Should we take away the double jeopardy clause just because O.J. Simpson *IS* guilty? Seth

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Re: Responding to Pre-dawn Unannounced Ninja Raids
by David Sternlight 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 11:10 AM -0700 7/20/96, Vinnie Moscaritolo wrote: > On 19 Jul 1996 19:51:39 Hallam-Baker wrote >>It is no coincidence that the Tree of Liberty needs to be watered with >>blood on occasion. > >As a native Bostonian, I have to tell you that the original "Tree of >Liberty" was cut down many many years ago and in it's place now stands a >storefront, if you look up onto the second floor you will notice a frieze >of a tree. This is all that stands to commemerate the "Tree of Liberty". > > >oh btw that storefront is in the comabat zone of boston, and the last time >I checked that store was called either the "Naked I"or the "Pussycat >lounge", can you guess what they sell? > This is too good to pass up. The modern version, then is: "The tree of liberty must be titillated with the money of sex-seekers." David MIT '54

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Re: Firewall Penetration
by Erle Greer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 05:29 PM 7/19/96 +0800, you wrote: >Is it possible to penetrate a firewall? > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Without professional knowledge of firewalls, a simple and true answer is obvious. Of course they are penetrable; that's what they are for. They permit users to penetrate, while attempting to keep out intruders. If it were impossible to penetrate firewalls, then they would pretty much be useless to those with authorized access. How could they get in themselves? Maybe 'feasibility' is the question. That answer would depend on some variables on the intruder's end. If permissions and rights are allocated to regular users with authorization, then an intruder with adequate resources, knowledge, time, etc. should be able to get in. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2i iQEVAwUBMfJ1H3ychImXHmeJAQH5XQf8DtJ+6W+NZGqm9Af9QVBzz73TbmJVqYB5 dZstXkk8tEyRd1LTG5hgIfXH8qKMl0a5tXoEdu72/UXbIvTyJapXcRgMZ0EctKJl hzfSvAGwNPzy5VUubUMOzsl4BId09KfB1+cpffAWa1rCyGsf6UOC7dftGLTlPVaf M1DG1pt1ruxLhc8hLdso86gP+q68sEBDFykIRCI0z6kTZj/U1W0MHtFLxkR1rkqX R/VqZ5LrvhRKYXVUD8iHMyPdyvvLDstddC3NcOf9mMDGqYp1LOGTJAKYT4mxhkEy 2ABfAISU+c4USl4C01RmgXni6gKDceWKHeTUvsBHAR6EUmUHso8Jng== =PVGa -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- vagab0nd(a)sd.cybernex.net http://ww2.sd.cybernex.net/~vagab0nd/index.html Visit web page for public key.

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Tom Broken interviews Pres Scrotum [NOISE]
by Vinnie Moscaritolo 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

INTERVIEW OF THE PRESIDENT BY TOM BROKAW OF MSNBC The Roosevelt Room, July 15, 1996 MR. BROKAW: .... You and I have been looking at another question from the Internet: Does Chelsea net surf and, if so, how do you protect her from inappropriate material? Does she use the computer pretty handily? THE PRESIDENT: She does. I don't think she net surfs a lot, simply because, at least during the school year, she has too much homework at night, for several hours every night. But she does some. And, honestly, I can't protect her in that sense because she knows so much more about it than I do. But one of the things that we're trying to do -- I think with the support of everyone -- is, first of all, get a case up to the Supreme Court so that they can define what the First Amendment requires us to do and not to do in terms of legislation here. And then we need to find some sort of technological fix. During the break you said that Mr. Gates, Bill Gates, said that there's at least a possibility of developing a log -- MR. BROKAW: Yes, they've got a log built in now that you can go in and check on. THE PRESIDENT: Yes, so the parents can see what's been called up. And, of course, we're working on this V-chip with television and with the entertainment industry supporting us with the rating system. So there probably will be some sort of technological responses here. But then parents like me are going to have to assume the responsibility of becoming literate enough with the technology to work with our children and make sure that we and they make responsible choices. Vinnie Moscaritolo "Law - Samoan Style" http://www.vmeng.com/vinnie/ Fingerprint: 4FA3298150E404F2782501876EA2146A

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Length of passphrase beneficial?
by Erle Greer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Feel free to skip to 'Actual Question:' below. I am one to succumb to the assumed benefits of overkill. I like the fact that everyone's use of crypto can cause each individual transmission to become less suspicious to prying eyes. I would love knowing that the govt. spent billions of CPU cycles on one of my transmissions only to find my softball schedule. We could lure them by making our subject lines 'Fertilizer-Bomb Recipe' or 'CHILDPORN.GIF Attached', not condoning either, of course. I have a 2048-bit PgP key and pseudorandom a/n character generator, from which I chose a large passphrase similar to: f4VnI1G1mGcwTZ1vGoyPwN4NLojF8Ee9ff1aicOGn87x0nwwHhJUo6XSYKEawRne (Yes, cut-n-paste, but my only in-house threat is my wife.) Actual Question: Does the length and randomness of a passphrase contribute at all to the overall security of a cryptosystem? Thanks in advance! -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2i iQEVAwUBMfJn0HychImXHmeJAQFpeQf/cLkFsELVEOquVseK7m6Ze+R1zFzkrM8G T8M4NTdoOALSQKY5Xjj/YHPt9iGY28U5FAPJt/v77YFsewiLxskcJn5fd6G2wX2j gneSXat0ExIMdLkUuIFDZl2tUny7bBgj2AimIK2Pd0BVlYT8RXPaDhpeWjmHKZpg vbZaS4yuSSFBy8oucfjO7ivShcraRwIG0Rq6/GCXuhT6Oi0EOaCUWJ+ofYVSqMkb Jsz9ElMVVVFc+caPwYn5mSVy8Xj3u9UxKOPPoXOpEpJ3gGPsuoiemcwcB/F1VQ34 +uC1YtdndAAu5jRU5JCWYbqYA+BiWY4K/vl9jaJ29BKjLiVfKrU+wA== =W00K -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- vagab0nd(a)sd.cybernex.net http://ww2.sd.cybernex.net/~vagab0nd/index.html Visit web page for public key.

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Re: pledge status
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 01:09 AM 7/21/96 -0800, Chris Adams wrote: >On 20 Jul 96 23:12:20 -0800, alanh(a)infi.net wrote: >>I think this has relevance to the >>black-ninjas-pretending-that-they're-in-a-Hollywood-script thread about >>cops making unanounced search warrant services at 4am. >> >>I have tremendous admiration for my local LEO's. It's the federales that >>are the problem, usually. >I'm thinking of Waco, where, I've heard, more experienced SWAT-types >tried to talk their bosses out of a certain infamous mistake... Subsequent to the initial Waco raid, the government was claiming that the Davidians were "ready" for them. I think it was easy to tell that this was a lie: Had they actually been READY, far more than 4 agents would have been dead. Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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Credit Card to eCash
by Myers W. Carpenter 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

What would be the problems in setting up a web site to make a charge to a Credit Card/ATM card number and return Cash, like an ATM for the net? I belive this would be a easy tool to promoat wider use of eCash. Not everyone wants to go through setting up an account at Mark Twain or whereever, just the advantages of a more cash like system. With a few sites like this around, and hopefully therefore more eCash in the wallets of the public this could help to add to a critical mass to eCash and so on. I don't think it would create the critical mass nessary for eCash's success, but at least another log on the fire. anyway... myers

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Re: Netscape
by Mark M. 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On Sun, 21 Jul 1996, Bill Stewart wrote: > First of all, the goverrnment _has_ enforced ITAR; I've seen references > (ummm, on the net...) to a few cases of things like exporting TV decryptors, > as well as all the enforcement about illegal trafficking in guns and such. I haven't heard of anyone ever being indicted for exporting cryptography. I should have made it clear that I was refering to ITAR as it applies to crypto, and not other items that would fall under ITAR. > But second, if you're threatened with jail and large fines, and have > to pay your lawyers lots of money to avoid being railroaded, > that's enforcement even if it's not the full-scale due process type. Quite true. I was just refering to someone actually being tried and found guilty of violating ITAR by exporting cryptography. I'd be very interested in any references to companies or individuals being prosecuted for exporting crypto. - -- Mark PGP encrypted mail prefered Key fingerprint = d61734f2800486ae6f79bfeb70f95348 http://www.voicenet.com/~markm/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3 Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBMfJsOrZc+sv5siulAQHs1wP7BVKtK4HLcNR3oEAPL1k/5zCYVRy7q7wu gQZqsM+lwKkIGnPuhu16+Cp/AIyMfokuW4y2qyJ9vOQiS7+ikVgwPB2neB0PmpXM mpBMjOXhWPoqVS8jOxC85/lutsf7TZpxEDgV9eev2iyY/v4c5/BZJD7onN/qJYVV P9gOv+Oyki8= =NpZS -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: The Orchid Ring of (Probable) Child Pornographers
by James A. Donald 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 08:43 PM 7/17/96 -0700, Timothy C. May wrote: > As such, potentially powerful ammunition for > those who would like restrictions placed on crypto. (Especially if it turns > out that law enforcement learned of the Orchid Ring through non-encrypted > communications.) Fortunately they were caught by much lower tech methods. One of their models changed her mind and complained to her parents, the cops grabbed the guy and pursuaded him to spill the beans. --------------------------------------------------------------------- | We have the right to defend ourselves | http://www.jim.com/jamesd/ and our property, because of the kind | of animals that we are. True law | James A. Donald derives from this right, not from the | arbitrary power of the state. | jamesd(a)echeque.com

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Re: Netscape
by James A. Donald 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 03:27 PM 7/20/96 -0700, Tom Weinstein wrote: > Why not consider what the consequences will be? Do you seriously > believe that this will make the government stop enforcing ITAR? Yes: Widespread politically motivated disobedience forces the state to either demonize the disobedient, (as with drug users) or give up enforcement. This is a standard and effective method of forcing the repeal of laws, a method which has had a long record of success for several hundred years. The states cohesion derives from its legitimacy, and threats to legitimacy and cohesion are treated very seriously by government officials. Threatening the states legitimacy is arguably more effective in influencing government behavior than blowing up federal office buildings. --------------------------------------------------------------------- | We have the right to defend ourselves | http://www.jim.com/jamesd/ and our property, because of the kind | of animals that we are. True law | James A. Donald derives from this right, not from the | arbitrary power of the state. | jamesd(a)echeque.com

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