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ABC
by dlv＠bwalk.dm.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I just heard something funny on ABC: Interviewer: Is this the kind of bomb the militias like to use? Interviewee: Yes, it's a pipe bomb. Of course, you can find out on the Internet how to make these... (Well, _I thought this was funny.) I hereby volunteer Jim Bell to write the Cyperpunk bomb-making FAQ. Or a more general chemical FAQ including common poisons. Are you up to this task, Jim? :-) --- Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps

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Re: ALL OF YOU ARE CRIMINAL HACKERS, I AM GOING TO CALL FBI
by anonymous-remailer＠shell.portal.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>I AM NOT GOING TO TOLERATE EXISTENCE OF A MEDIUM FOR CRIMINAL HACKERS >AND MUNITIONS SMUGGLERS. I WILL COMPLAIN TO THE FBI IMMEDIATELY SO THAT THEY >CAN TRACK YOU DOWN AND CLOSE THIS LIST. Tips for reporting this 'clandestine' list to the FBI (and it's contributors) 1) Be sure to speak slowly and use small words when contacting the FBI. 2) If you can, be sure to work the words 'Pipe Bomb', 'Olympics', and/or 'TWA' into your sentences. 3) Remember to unsubscribe from the list before reporting it. 4) Try not to be belligerant when the talking with the FBI - RE: tracking down cpunks; they're laughing at you, already. 5) Try not to use the word 'inbred' in your report..they seem particullarly sensitive to this...for some reason. 6) When meeting FBI in person, do not wear shiny objects or bright colors - it distracts them. 7) When calling the FBI hotline, don't ask to speak to someone about munition smuggling AND computers crimez - this will put the operator into coma. 8) Be sure to ask for special agent 'Fox Mulder' and 'Dana Sculley' - they're 'the best' 9) 10)... _______ Warren Crossfield Programmer/MacOS "Buy a Pentium - so you can restart Windoze faster!"

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[NOISE] Rich Graves is accused of forgery and other net-abuse
by dlv＠bwalk.dm.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hmm, I though Rich Graves was a Nazi, but now the Nazis reject him too. :-) Message-ID: <012317Z28071996(a)anon.penet.fi> Path: ...!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!news.eunet.fi!anon.penet.fi Newsgroups: alt.fan.ernst-zundel,alt.revisionism,news.groups,alt.internet.media-coverage,news.admin.net-abuse.misc,c2.chat,alt.cyberpunk,soc.culture.jewish From: an572010(a)anon.penet.fi (Vyshinsky) X-Anonymously-To: alt.fan.ernst-zundel,alt.revisionism,news.groups,alt.internet.media-coverage,news.admin.net-abuse.misc,c2.chat,alt.cyberpunk,soc.culture.jewish Organization: Anonymous forwarding service Reply-To: an572010(a)anon.penet.fi Date: Sun, 28 Jul 1996 01:21:24 UTC Subject: Re: Spammed by a Nazi obssessive References: <schwartz-2507960756390001(a)cmh-p091.infinet.com> <joelr.3533.000B045C(a)winternet.com> <4t8nk8$3ic(a)Networking.Stanford.EDU> Lines: 80 [multi-mailed to llurch(a)stanford.edu, postmaster(a)stanford.edu, and postmaster(a)c2.net] llurch(a)stanford.edu writes: > joelr(a)winternet.com (Joel Rosenberg) writes: > >In article <schwartz-2507960756390001(a)cmh-p091.infinet.com> schwartz(a)infinet.com writes: > > > >>Maybe someone should mention to Ingrid that this little crap works both > >>ways. She may have been spammed, so are we. > >> > >>Sara > > > >I got the same spew, and sent back a message, with a copy to the root, that > >I want no further email from these folks. No big deal. > > > Right. It's not. > > It doesn't work both ways. Neither way is acceptable. Fortunately, with > the exceptions of Skippy, Giwer, and Marduk, whom nobody loves, nobody > seems to be into continuing net abuse after they've been notified that > it's wrong. You, postmaster(a)c2.org, postmaster(a)stanford.edu and news.admin.net-abuse.misc were notified about forged cancels by you against others. Did you stop since? Your practice of posting to a lot of newsgroups with a followup-to line for an "enemy" newsgroup, is the classic practice of trolling. Most of the newsreaders wont see the rebuttals, and presume that your post was unchallenged, so inspiring a rebuttal with the same arguments that have already been made. You've not stopped regardless of the number of complaints. Your practice of forging your e-mail address away from your true e-mail address is also net abuse. This is an obvious taking advantage of sameer(a)c2.net, a net hero, the admin of your ISP, that you are maliciously taking advantage of to avoid complaints of your actual e-mail address, llurch(a)stanford.edu, whom you work for. Whoever "Skippy" is, she has not forged cancels since March 1996, and has never done the other abuses you deal out in prolific quantity. Are you going to stop these three net abuses because of yet another complaint? You haven't before. --****ATTENTION****--****ATTENTION****--****ATTENTION****--***ATTENTION*** Your e-mail reply to this message WILL be *automatically* ANONYMIZED. Please, report inappropriate use to abuse(a)anon.penet.fi For information (incl. non-anon reply) write to help(a)anon.penet.fi If you have any problems, address them to admin(a)anon.penet.fi

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Re: WaPo on Crypto-Genie Terrorism
by shamrock＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 9:35 7/28/96, Charley Sparks wrote: >I occasionally get invited to teach at a local college.. some students are >not US. Anyone have any suggestions on a way I can sneek some good privacy >into the lesson plan.. the course is usually the Internet or networking in >general. Ignore ITAR. It is unconstitutional. BTW, independently from what the Supreme Court may ore may not decide. -- Lucky Green <mailto:shamrock@netcom.com> PGP encrypted mail preferred. Defeat the Demopublican Unity Party. Vote no on Clinton/Dole in November. Vote Harry Browne for President.

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Re: Internet blamed for pipe bombs
by shamrock＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 5:36 7/28/96, E. ALLEN SMITH wrote: >> Across the country, latest figures from the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, >> Tobacco and Firearms show a 20 percent jump in pipe bomb incidents >> between 1990 and 1994. > >[...] > >> "We've been incredibly busy," said sheriff's bomb technician Judd >> Holiday. "As crime in other categories is dropping, this is going up." The friendly Anarchist's Bookstore in San Francisco sells several books on building bombs. No Internet connection required. I would like offer another possible explanation for the increase in pipe bombings. The People are getting frustrated and a pipe bomb can be very useful device releasing one's frustration. [No, I do not approve of pipe bombing civilians]. -- Lucky Green <mailto:shamrock@netcom.com> PGP encrypted mail preferred. Defeat the Demopublican Unity Party. Vote no on Clinton/Dole in November. Vote Harry Browne for President.

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De facto martial law
by anonymous-remailer＠shell.portal.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Assoc. Press, 28-Jul-1996 Federal investigators reported "very good leads" Sunday in the hunt for the Olympic bomber, and the Georgia National Guard mobilized fresh troops to add muscle to the force protecting against a repeat attack. [...] Huge crowds, including more than 80,000 at the stadium, seemed undeterred by tougher security screening and fears of terrorism. "The more they check us, the happier I am," Nancy Hudgins, of Stone Mountain, Ga., said at a handball game in the Georgia Congress Center. [...] The Georgia state government said it would dispatch by Monday morning an additional National Guard infantry battalion, the 121st from Macon, to supplement the civilian bag-searchers, metal-detector operators and guards at Atlanta Olympic sites. About 4,000 guardsmen are already deployed on any one day here. The battalion would add "a few hundred" to that contingent, government spokesmen said. The civilian, police and military security army on hand here totals some 30,000. The White House said Sunday about 900 FBI agents are now assigned to Olympic duty. [...] 27-Jul-1996 The Olympics turned into an armed encampment Saturday, police and soldiers and bomb-sniffing dogs everywhere, all athletes and fans subject to search, the free spirit of the Summer Games suddenly gone. The bomb that killed a woman and injured more than 100 people, among the thousands jolted at a rock concert in Centennial Olympic Park at 1:25 a.m., instantly transformed the Games into fields of fear. Sentries wielding machine guns and rifles guarded gates and patrolled buildings from basements to rooftops. Officers conducted meticulous searches of vehicles, checking under them with extended mirrors the way a dentist probes for cavities. [...] Security, already on high alert since the TWA Flight 800 explosion, became more visible all over. Soldiers carrying machine guns scout[ed] the rowing site at Lake Lanier, in normal times a peaceful recreational community. Reuters, 07/28 Olympics-FBI search man's home in bomb hunt, paper A man from rural north Georgia says the FBI searched his home for clues to the weekend bombing at Atlanta's Centennial Olympic Park, a newspaper reported on Sunday. The Daily Citizen-News of Dalton quoted 41-year-old Terry Roper of Rocky Face, Georgia, as saying that investigators showed up at his remote country home on Saturday and searched the house, the yard and his vehicles with bomb-sniffing dogs. [...] The federal agents left after the search, telling the man they would be in touch, the newspaper said. [...] "I was home here all night long. I haven't been to Atlanta in a year or so," it quoted Roper as saying. He said he knows nothing about bomb-making. [...] The newspaper said police were acting on an anonymous tip phoned into its circulation department by an unidentified caller. Roper told the newspaper he believed the call stemmed from a workplace conversation about precautions against terrorism at Olympic venues. "I never have mentioned nothing about making a bomb, blowing anything up or anything like that. I don't know how to make a bomb," he was quoted as saying. 07/28 Olympics-Militia group condemns attack, calls it ... An extreme rightwing Georgia militia on Sunday denied responsibility for an explosion at the Atlanta Olympics in which two people died, and a member held on previous bomb charges called it a cowardly act. J.J. Johnson, a co-founder of the "112th Regiment Militia-at-Large for the Republic of Georgia" told a news conference they were angry over press suggestions that they planted the pipe bomb among Olympic revellers early on Saturday. "We categorically deny having any knowledge of this or anything to do with this," he said. "Atlanta now looks like a virtual police state, which is something the patriots and militia have fought against. Why would we do something to bring that about?" said Johnson, a radio talk show host who moved to Georgia from Ohio. [...] Johnson and militia attorney Nancy Lord offered to assist the FBI by providing investigators with names of potential bomb-makers from around the state. The names turned out to belong to informants for the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF) [...] "They're the only people we know of in the Georgia area who like to talk about pipe bombs, who like to build pipe bombs," said Lord [...]

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Re: Schelling Points leads to interesting family investment opportunities
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 12:41 PM 7/28/96, Ian Grigg wrote: >Hi Tim, > >you said: >> The _costs_ of extending beyond the Schelling point boundaries >> is deemed to be too high, and the boundary persists. > >This reminds me of the transactional theory of business units. >Working from memory, the optimal size of a business unit is >positively related to the cost of the transactions conducted >between units, other things being held constant. > >Thus, in a place where it is "expensive to do business" the >dominant form of company will be large. Conversely in a >cheap business environment, small companies will predominate. >This notion spurs one to examine the transactional costs and >to decide (or not) to lower them... Yes, I think these things are deeply intertwined. Coase's work on the nature of corporations, for example. (Another connection is that economics and markets are largely about "signalling mechanisms," and it can be argued that prices are variants of Schelling points, albeit hopping around as other market players jockey for advantage.) >The interesting part for your family context is that falling >transaction costs have purportedly produced a shift away from >large companies to smaller units. Those falling costs are in >the sphere of digital communications, other technology, and >regulation. If such were to apply to the context of families, >upbringing children and education in general, one might >predict that the size of the family should shrink. Which it has, as you note. The availability of microwave dinners, transportation to new jobs, new employment patterns, and other factors too numerable to mention are correlated fairly strongly with a reduction in the size of the average family. >One would then be lead to ask, if you are proposing that >Internet technologies in general and crypto in particular >are influences on the Schelling points related to the family >rights set, can this result in smaller family units? I wouldn't go quite _this_ far! (And it's hard to go too much further than we have already...as you noted, increasing numbers of Westerners are single.) Certainly your comments are generally relevant and interesting, and sociologists should have fun examining the economic, game-theoretic, psychological, and other factors that are interlinked. --Tim May Boycott "Big Brother Inside" software! We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, we know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Licensed Ontologist | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Feinstein wants controls on Internet, Books
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

One of my senators, Senator Dianne Feinstein, is now arguing on CNN for controls on information put on the Internet, on censorship of books and articles describing how pipe bombs work, and for making it easier to get wiretaps against those suspected of committing thought crimes. One or two more major incidents on top of the recent ones (World Trade Center, Oklahoma City, Dharan, TWA 800, and Olympic Village) and I suspect Congress will simply vote to repeal the Bill of Rights and just be done with this whole experiment in liberty. --Tim May Boycott "Big Brother Inside" software! We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, we know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Licensed Ontologist | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Re: ALL OF YOU ARE CRIMIN
by pjn＠nworks.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> At 09:33 PM 7/26/96 -0700, anonymous-remailer(a)shell.portal.com wrote: >I AM NOT GOING TO TOLERATE EXISTENCE OF A MEDIUM FOR CRIMINAL HACKERS >AND MUNITIONS SMUGGLERS. I WILL COMPLAIN TO THE FBI IMMEDIATELY SO THAT THEY >CAN TRACK YOU DOWN AND CLOSE THIS LIST. > Damnit Sen. Exxon! We told you not to use the computer!! :) P.J. pjn(a)nworks.com ... "The future of robotics" Ä by Cy Borg and Anne Droid ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.20 [NR]

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cypherpunks vs hackers
by pjn＠nworks.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In> How can we differentiate cypherpunks to hackers? What are their In> attitudes, psychological thinking, main objective? It is interesting to note that while both groups have opposite objectives (Hackers want all information free, where cypherpunks want everbody to be able to have privacy), and yet in there own ways, they are both right. I think what we need to define is the diffrence between hackers and crackers. A hacker breaks into a computer like a cracker (but the similarities end there). The hacker just want to look and learn, possably "map out" the system just to see how everything works with everything else. Crackers break into computers for the sake of destroying or stealing information or the system itself. Both cypherpunks and hackers think that the government is wrong in many things that they do. P.J. pjn(a)nworks.com ... It would seem that evil retreats when forcibly confronted. - Excalbian ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.20 [NR]

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