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Re: "X-Ray Gun" for imperceptible searches
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 3:12 AM 8/13/96, Alan Horowitz wrote: >CCW holders don't have a legal right to conceal their possession of >weapon, from the police. > I think the earlier remark was oriented toward "not scaring the horses" rather than making a serious attempt to hide the presence of a gun from a duly-authorized search. People who carry concealed are _strongly_ encouraged to keep the fact of their concealed carry hidden. No "careless" displays in bars, for example. And no announcement to casual bystanders, and even to store security guards. The reason for this is simple: to avoid panic and overreaction ("He's got a gun!!") and also to avoid having a concealed weapon used in a brandishing situation to intimidate others. Seen this way, the widespread deployment of metal detectors, millimeter wave detectors, and other such gadgets would force major changes in CCW laws. Aside from the Constitutional issues, which are major. I don't see how "remote scanning" of the population at large, without probable cause, is much different from the cops listening in from a distance with parabolic antennas. Both cases involve detection of signals emitted from the target. And yet such long-distance interception is not allowed without a warrant. --Tim May Boycott "Big Brother Inside" software! We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, we know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Licensed Ontologist | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Re: AW: National Socio-Economic Security Need for Encryption Technology
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 3:35 AM 8/13/96, Perry E. Metzger wrote: >Bart Croughs writes: >> I would be proud if I had discovered this axiom, but alas, I haven't. >> It's an axiom that is generally accepted among austrian economists >> (Rothbard, Hazlitt, etc). I don't know who actually discovered it. > >The truly hysterical part is that Tim and I are both (from what I can >tell) Austrians. Indeed. While Perry and I disagree on some things, the relevance of the Austrian School of Economics, and its University of Chicago satellite campus, is not one of them. If Croughs stays on this list long enough, he will surely see this. (And find plenty of references to Hayek, Menger, Friedman, etc., in the archives.) The problem with the "Croughs Axiom" is not that there is not a _general_ correlation between average national wages and average national capital investment--there is. A scatter plot of wages vs. capital investment for the 200 or so nations would almost certainly show that the Ivory Coast has low per capita wages and low per capita wages, Sweden has both higher wages and higher capital investment per capita, and so on. Correlation, of course, is not causation. No, the problem was that Croughs invoked this general _correlation_ (which can arise for various reasons) to support his mercantilist protectionist ideas. (He also didn't say he was talking of nations, which is why some of us found the examples we did, e.g., MacDonald's vs. law firms, which have the opposite correlation he described.) And the cloud of ideas connected with somehow forcing capital investment to remain in the U.S....well, the best way to do this is to alter the tax laws so that America (for example) becomes a magnet for investment. (If one is looking to help America, that is.) In any case, the original notion, of somehow using cryptography policy to support U.S. interests....well, I rather doubt that Menger, Von Mises, Hayek, Hazlitt, or any of the others connected with the Austrian School would buy Crough's protectionist arguments. And I certainly know that jingoistic appeals to "America First!" are inconsistent with the sentiments of many or even most on this list. --Tim May Boycott "Big Brother Inside" software! We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, we know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Licensed Ontologist | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Free Pronto Secure Offer
by Sean Sutherland 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com Date: Tue Aug 13 02:29:17 1996 Whatever happened to that free offer for ProntoSecure for members of the Cpunk list? Remembered hearing something about it awhile back, but I don't know exactly what it is. Thanks. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Key: finger or email w/ 'send key' in subj. http://www2.interconnect.net/maverick iQEVAwUBMhAu3lZoKRrkPmSJAQFw1gf9GjVSbvqDnneHDc4YDE1z+L3A+ZB6GtS+ kN9kKloqQ4oKb8lzHhJoBrs0+BqaRf1+6bwPul6Eh6vf9FJ9VmifVBdC1oFcfVLZ gqj++PfukYvTh5bZIEvzx6OMhm9V9AXM7ne8ySrDD0FfkDSI+PYC/ONsqmhej4wR V4lfSyFm9dPCuvdD/C5YlIAhWD2BO0xUKpJjM6LtTmU+AHMC6qyjKvSv85HfIk2v 4cpHBY97iOmUQL/526D2ql0eQsZymg8ntN8Q6fXZ8AJt79zwfT3GeDG5fPg4iDEs 70LVtbqY73SqBpdRdYcTOJzrwPLJ2fLQrqgDjw+xO+kyogu70XdI5w== =XlrN -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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re: National Socio-Economic Security Need for Encryption Technology
by Bart Croughs 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Perry Metzger wrote: >Bart Croughs writes: >> I would be proud if I had discovered this axiom, but alas, I haven't. >> It's an axiom that is generally accepted among austrian >>economists >>(Rothbard, Hazlitt, etc). I don't know who actually discovered it. >The truly hysterical part is that Tim and I are both (from what I can >tell) Austrians. >Perry Well, if you are an Austrian, then maybe you should study the Austrians a bit more and write a bit less about them. In several posts I gave quotes from famous Austrian economists that support my statement that according to Austrian economists wages depend on the amount of capital invested. And all that you answer to this is that you're an Austrian yourself. What do you expect me to say? "Well, Austrian economists like Murray Rothbard and Henry Hazlitt think that wages depend on the amount of capital invested, but Perry Metzger disagrees and says he is an Austrian himself, so we can't conclude that according to Austrian economists wages depend on the level of capital invested?" For the moment, I think it's more reasonable to conclude that you don't understand the Austrians. But of course you can try to attack the arguments of the Austrian economists, and convince them that they are wrong and that they ought to adopt your point of view. Bart Croughs

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non-secure network utilities - pointers?
by Sam Quigley 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

What cypherpunk-approved (tm) -- that is, cryptographically strong, freely available, and well-implemented (reliable) -- network utilities are available? I'm willing to agree to US-only license agreement iff I have to... I'm looking for secure telnet, ftp, talk, etc. that I can run over a potentially insecure network (and their respective daemons). Is SSL the way to go? (If so, what's the best implementation?) What about other protocols? Is there some comprehensive {web,ftp}site where I can find more information on this subject? Please reply off-list to poodge(a)econ.berkeley.edu thanks, -sq

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re: National Socio-Economic Security Need for Encryption Technology
by Bart Croughs 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Perry Metzger wrote: >Perhaps I should start being more vicious when I'm using sarcasm. >Nowhere in the writings of any Austrian economist will you find >anything >claiming that the wages for a given job are linked to capital >investment by the employer. I already gave some quotes of Austrian economists in another post, but maybe you didn't read it, so here I go again: Henry Hazlitt in 'economics in one lesson' (p. 139): "The best way to raise wages, therefore, is to raise marginal labor productivity. This can be done by many methods: by an increase in capital accumulation - i.e. by an increase in the machines with which the workers are aided..." Murray Rothbard in 'the free market reader' (p. 31): "Wage rates are low in many foreign countries because capital equipment is small and technologically primitive. Unaided by much capital, worker productivity is far lower than in the United States." Lew Rockwell in 'the economics of liberty' (p. 26): "Wages are determined by the productivity of the individual laborer, which in turn is largely determined by the amount of capital invested per worker." I could go on, but I think this will suffice. As I already said in two of my other posts on this subject, when Austrian economists say that wages depend on the amount of capital invested, they mean on a regional/national level, not on the level of individuals. Bart Croughs

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Fw: Police on the Net
by Charley Sparks 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- To: EALLENSMITH(a)ocelot.Rutgers.EDU, cypherpunks(a)toad.com Date: Tue Aug 13 05:55:50 1996 If any of us find the address, please post the addresses here..... - -----Begin Included Message ----- Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 19:08 EDT From: "E. ALLEN SMITH" <EALLENSMITH(a)ocelot.Rutgers.EDU> To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com Cc: First, I'd be interested in knowing some of those online reporting addresses, and how much limits they place on what can be mailed to them... persuading these cops to deal with the improper use of another's computer (i.e., spam) would seem to be a distinct possibility in diverting them from other activities. Second, it would appear possible (unless they're encrypting it) to intercept some of these email lists of theirs - if necessary, by forging a subscribe to an _overseas_ nymserver that isn't too well known (unlike, say, anon.penet.fi). That's about on the same grounds as their mention of "know thine enemy." (It is, of course, pretty certain that various libertarian groups are among those monitored, such as cypherpunks.) Third, this gives additional reasons not to give out one's address to anyone. What people know about me is a post office box and my old address. -Allen - ---- End of forwarded message ---- Cut to save space.... -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCXAwUBMhBRJ+J+JZd/Y4yVAQHjYgQKAiBzkv0iVGlG1wNn3QLJwR/KymkzFeej ByxF4uLs/IuQ9Np7Y0MZ64rmO7O85z6yoL0iZUegmwfQFuoVX+A3XrN0gtMzA3YR dyTaOS63IJ5kyBggrSt0Yx6kVT5FtAIELbb3KVC7+oqa2nsc9/DuC24S3uKsSoDm KZ7/qnHd1nM+Mw== =2i9v -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Validation Code for WBS Access
by WebChat Broadcasting System 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: crypto CD source
by Remo Pini 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com Date: Mon Aug 05 09:03:30 1996 Well, I could. Estimated prices (USD) - If I have at least 300 "certain" buyers: CDROM with 2-color label and jewel-case: USD 13.- Shipment US: USD 3.- (swiss mail sucks!) Shipment Europe: USD 2.- Since the origin of those CD's is Switzerland, no ITAR would apply. If you're interested (at least 300 of you), mail me. Subject line: CryptoCD Anonymous guys ignored (but data handled confidentially and encrypted on my machine). If you want more than one, send more than one mail (but with a different body, so I can kill duplicated mails). Once I get more than 300 requests, I'll start putting it together and have it mastered. At that point I will request a written order (fax or so). If anyone has a better idea on how to handle the stuff, mail me... > I have about 100MB (compressed) of crypto archives, papers, source code, > etc etc, reasonably well organised with descriptions of each file. I've > got a friend to put it on CD, but only for my own use. If there's > someone who can get them done in bulk outside the US you could probably > use this as a crypto CD (I don't think there's anyone in NZ who could do > it, and I don't really want the hassle of organising the whole thing). - --------< fate favors the prepared mind >-------- Remo Pini rp(a)rpini.com PGP: http://www.rpini.com/remopini/rpcrypto.html - ------< words are what reality is made of >------ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3i Charset: noconv iQEVAwUBMgWcxBFhy5sz+bTpAQE1/gf/eJI+dt1guw0joLKoBpm0ShpvK3/fHFwb SUlMJSaLgEODR9DRCC+uYc3+mRTNLrup8w1XIcQO1OAZO/GQumL97y8TtLp8fBpY FcNTYxtXY/UflHE5OySLWIz4jfNArIpZBxXb/zuUqrAqCj5NsWWHUsb45CM/j8cy 1dYT5wcoGELbJiZy1jVZV6eEmqliZIZAtD+fU+bq4oJIgDRCEDWt6RTJPhoHfx5F wxEuOkpeBQi8uJD9gL85lk5S7Exa1n/0u8+UgE1sm9UMIRA8IOzRK3lIlRvT+0VI 0r2lK4wnKdhmILkPcxGq+82bUZ7HUepS4oZGAduzhW73ANtMEzVPxw== =5+88 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: crypto CD source
by Remo Pini 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com Date: Mon Aug 05 10:08:19 1996 I'm looking for contents for the crypto CD. Since this CD will (might) be mastered in Switzerland, no ITAR applies to the CD, but if anyone wants to include some restricted stuff, send it to me (dat, disk or encrypted email) Address: Pini Computer Trading "Crypto CD" Hofwiesenstr. 234 8057 Zuerich Switzerland My wish list: - - PGP - - A lot of algorithms in C, Pascal, ASM (for diverse processors) - - Private Idaho - - Pronto Secure - - a suite of html pages describing all files (I'll probably have to do that myself) - - Netscape (the secure versions, if its legally feasable -> Netscape?) - - Crypto papers - - Crypto analysis papers - - Lawtexts concerning crypto (ITAR, France, ...) Anything else? - --------< fate favors the prepared mind >-------- Remo Pini rp(a)rpini.com PGP: http://www.rpini.com/remopini/rpcrypto.html - ------< words are what reality is made of >------ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3i Charset: noconv iQEVAwUBMgWr9BFhy5sz+bTpAQEOuQf+PAfJrxDLo4mEDsC8QelbBE5WHqNecmcq soPN0ZDSDzSEdbofALHBEiAW8SHVT4h1XWPNG1QjNvuCsluLN4HX1IQSfCjjCNzO /T9jqNqKbwDL5ssluD9nc/tbjaTN2zdXIVRE2/1QZmyrysT5MK5tiHzbbkrFjSy2 tVwUmEk9W+gTAzNBxLE5ni2Q6oLLuf+jnzw0jBn15nA3S7USN+G+dMsNG2ROR7ZI Lp1a9XvqtjZ41Ju1C0QVR6u53a7mB8unrxxALewF2TjJUXxJOA0W1QbxM8/aI6cb jjePr0NoohyCORLNh+pGaBQ+DXYY28JL5keCyGCr8k/INXHIksbEIQ== =aTqo -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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